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To tell a mum of a guest that she can’t stay at DD6’s birthday party

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Endoftheroad12345 · 16/06/2024 03:28

I’m fully prepared to be told I’m BU but I’m not changing my mind just upfront 😂 (I know that can be annoying when responding to AIBU posts).

DD6’s birthday party is next Sunday. I sent invites out a week or so ago. The invite states the address which is very clearly our home. Party is from 11am - 2pm. I have provided my phone number and email (with my full name) to RSVP.

DD has invited about 15 girls, almost all from her class at school. I suggested inviting this little girl - I’ll call her Jemima - as DD seems to play with her at after school care, which is run by the community centre next to the school. DD was ambivalent but invited her. I haven’t met the mum but have said hi to the dad when we’ve been picking up at the same time.

The party is at my house, we will have some sort of fairy or face painter, pass the parcel etc and food and a cake.

I am a single mother and I work full time in a fairly intense senior job as a lawyer. Basically I’m having the party at home as left it too late to book anywhere! It’s also winter here (NZ) and pissing with rain which is not ideal as our house is great in summer (big deck and back garden) but obviously feels a lot smaller when the weather is bad. I will be the only adult at the party. My ex H had the option to come but has elected not to 🙄 and will take DS9 out somewhere. My dad is terminally ill, my mum is about as useful as a chocolate teapot and my sister has 3 kids and her DH has just had heart surgery. Just to give the full picture 😂

This morning at 8am I got a text:

Hi EOTR, it’s Jane here, Jemima’s mum. Thanks for the invite to DD’s party, Jemima would love to come. Can I have a bit more detail about what the plan is? Thanks :)

I thought this was a bit odd but wondered if they had other plans that might be clashing and she might need to arrive late or pick up early, so responded:

Hi Jane, that’s great, DD will be delighted. Still nailing the plan tbh! But the general idea is that there will be a fairy or similar arriving at 12, games and food, and cake at 1.30ish. Hope that helps?

To which she responded 2 minutes later
OK sounds good. OK for me to stay with her?

It’s actually not OK. I’ll have my hands full managing the party, I don’t have the time (or inclination) to host her too, and frankly from those two texts she sounds punishing. I was about to do an acquiescent people pleaserey “oh of course that’s fine!!!” but then I thought fuck it, I don’t know this person, her child isn’t even a good friend of DD’s and I don’t care if she doesn’t come. Also I don’t appreciate being interrogated about my plans for a 6 y.o birthday party and treated as some sort of potential criminal in need of supervision in my own home.

So I responded Hi, space will be at a bit of a premium (especially if it’s raining) so was planning on a drop off situation. Hope that works but understand if it means Jemima can’t make it

No response and that was 3 hours ago.

what do you reckon? Was I U?

OP posts:
Famfirst · 16/06/2024 12:49

Lolabear38 · 16/06/2024 04:15

I actually can’t with this reply 😂😂 She sends you a perfectly normal, reasonable and fine message asking for more info about a party (presumably to decide if it’s something her dd can attend) and it gets your back up to such an extent that you create a thread on mumsnet about it and call her rude and weird but now she hasn’t replied to you then the problem must be her?! Maybe she’s just busy?!

I really don’t think the problem is her here! From the way you’ve described her messages they don’t come across as rude or blunt at all. She is literally asking for more information about a party her dd has been invited to. For some reason you’ve taken them incredibly personally (do you have a chip on your shoulder about something here?).

This 👆👆

padsi1975 · 16/06/2024 12:51

Ha, this thread! I don't think you were rude at all. I hate parents hanging about at a party. Your response was fine, it was polite and clear. I don't think other Mum's texts were rude either though. Small scenario, well managed. The posts on this thread are too much.

oakleaffy · 16/06/2024 12:51

Endoftheroad12345 · 16/06/2024 12:08

What!!! 6-8 months for children’s parties?! Is that a typo? Do you mean weeks?

Jeez Louise- Kid’s party invites months in advance?
How ludicrous is that-

It’s not a Wedding, just a kid’s party .

No one surely does that- Kids could be in different classes and even schools by then.

ConnectionsAnagram · 16/06/2024 12:51

theowlwhisperer · 16/06/2024 10:35

I am quite confident in setting boundaries. So confident in fact that I wouldn't need to start a thread on MN about it 😂

There's really no need to be so rude and unpleasant about it, and the weird attitude from the OP and the couple of posters gushing how "amazing" she is tells me neither of these people are confident in real life.

There's too much drama, too much projecting about a perfectly innocent and polite text. When you are confident enough, you don't need to be "a bitch" but you are actually quite chilled out.

Why has this all upset you so much?!

VaccineSticker · 16/06/2024 12:52

pikkumyy77 · 16/06/2024 12:43

OP is basically externally competent and internally agitated with rage having ended up in a position where her (much respected) independence also feels like abandonment.

Hair trigger rage at a perfectly inoccuous text followed by the attempt to force Jemima’s mother into some kind of shame parade so that OP can demonstrate her complete command of the situation?

The subtext is as obvious as the text. You are lonely, no family to help, no friends you can tolerate, you bit off more than you can chew since rain/small house and you needed to recoup some of that by turning poor jemima’s mum into someone you “won” over.

All of this applause for saying no and not seething? Like you are the patron saint of put upon women? You aren’t that at all. You just went off in your own mind like a mini bomb and imagined yourself very brave and forthright.

In reality the whole interaction with Jemima’s mom happened in your own head. Busy mom (Jemima’s mom) texted you, heard your answer, will drop daughter at party. She is unaware that you built her up into this great villain and that you vanquished her presumptuous self and nearly disinvited her daughter from this party of the century.

Continue with the therapy—you have a massive rage thing going on which you ate trying to turn into a virtue. Its just sad, really.

This!!

You are rude and to be honest from a the point of view managing very young hyper children in your house on your own is hopping mad. I don’t know of (a least in our school circle of friends) who had ever hosted a party with similar aged children without any adults at hand to supervise and help with food etc. no matter how organised you are. I would t leave my 6 year with you.

nvcontrolfreak · 16/06/2024 12:52

Wow, OP, the reactions…COVID and lockdowns must have done something to people. It’s been a while since DC was 6, but absolutely no one ever stayed with their 6 year old at class parties. Regardless of whether you knew the parents or not or have been to their house before. At 4, everyone stayed, at 5, roughly 50:50, at 6 - no one. This was the norm. What you are doing is perfectly normal.

Whinge · 16/06/2024 12:52

Calliopespa · 16/06/2024 12:49

There’s an entertainer!! Can’t people count?

The entertainer shouldn't be expected to supervise, their job is to entertain.

Atlastsomesun · 16/06/2024 12:53

I'd ask the nanny to stay and help out. They're likely the reason for your overconfidence in child wrangling in the first place.

Idly wondering why doesn't your other DD want to stay? At that age, older girls are like demi-gods to younger ones. I'd want my big sister there if I were the birthday girl.

I really quite enjoyed this thread. A distraction from elections.

AnotherEmma · 16/06/2024 12:53

I find it really distasteful how some posters are telling the OP how great she is after she made these comments:

"I appreciate her child may have additional needs I’m not aware of but (a) they have the option of not attending the party and (b) she is ok to go to after school care without her parents there."
"I don’t care about her hypothetical needs or differences (which she hasn’t actually articulated). Not sure why I should massively inconvenience myself hosting Jemima’s weird rude mother when Jemima could just not come."

OP has openly stated she doesn't care whether a child has additional needs and is not interested in accommodating them, she would much rather the child didn't come - massively ableist and exclusionary, and yet people are saying:

"I'm a little bit in love with you OP!"

"I like you, OP!"

"I like you too OP. Have enjoyed your responses on this thread."

"I LOVE the cut of your jib."

"You managed it all superbly OP."

"you sound very chilled" (er what?!)

"I love you, OP."

"OP you sound amazing"

"thanks for the inspirational posts" (inspirational?! Really?!!)

"OP I have found your responses increasingly brilliant as we went on."

"Thanks for making my morning, OP! Your responses have made me laugh out loud! If you were in the UK I'd ask if we could have coffee, as you sound like my sort of person."

"You're great OP."

"I like you OP."

"You're hilarious OP."

"OP I’m sad you’re in NZ as I want to meet you and have a drink."

"op I reckon we’d be great mates!"

"you are brilliant."

"I like you too OP"

"I would like you on my team :)"

Ugh ugh ugh Envy

It reminds me a bit of high school when people would cheerlead the bullies.

NoKnit · 16/06/2024 12:54

I'm with you on not wanting other parents at a party.

However you have made your DD invite this child , she didn't want to. That is not fair on your dd or the girl invite or the rest of the kids at the party to be honest. You're unreasonable for that

Buntycat · 16/06/2024 12:54

"Didn’t say please"?? For goodness sake!

theowlwhisperer · 16/06/2024 12:56

would be as a result of a couple of innocuous texts sent by poor Jemima’s mum.

if you agree with everybody, why starting that angry thread and making up all the drama?

Endoftheroad12345 · 16/06/2024 12:57

Atlastsomesun · 16/06/2024 12:53

I'd ask the nanny to stay and help out. They're likely the reason for your overconfidence in child wrangling in the first place.

Idly wondering why doesn't your other DD want to stay? At that age, older girls are like demi-gods to younger ones. I'd want my big sister there if I were the birthday girl.

I really quite enjoyed this thread. A distraction from elections.

DS is older and doesn’t want to hang around 6 year old girls. My nanny does morning school drop offs so I can start work early (6.30am) in order to be able to pick kids up early enough to make and have dinner together.

OP posts:
RosieChardonnay · 16/06/2024 12:57

spinspinsugar55 · 16/06/2024 12:11

I like you too OP @Endoftheroad12345
I’m UK based and would love this party set up. It mostly is this way where I am.
And love the boundary setting. This is what I think is getting peoples backs up. So many not used to others setting boundaries and tend to see it as being rude, which it definitely isn’t, it’s needed more and more.
Hope your dd has a boss party 🥳

I think the lack of empathy shown by the OP is very difficult for a lot of people to understand. She cannot seem to comprehend that a 5/6 year old might be nervous going to a party at an unknown house. And is not willing to slightly inconvenience herself to enable the child to feel comfortable at the party.
It is important to have boundaries in life but not really appropriate here. On this occasion it is just rude and unkind.

scoobysnaxx · 16/06/2024 12:57

The mums texts were absolutely fine and not rude in the slightest.

You are weirdly defensive in your reaction to them.

Tbh you sound absolutely insufferable, arrogant and obnoxious after the comments you made.

Batshit fucking crazy.

theowlwhisperer · 16/06/2024 12:58

ConnectionsAnagram · 16/06/2024 12:51

Why has this all upset you so much?!

Who's upset? I am finding the OP very entertaining. In a very rude and unpleasant way, but as I don't have to deal with her at the school gate, I find her amusing.

What makes you think I am upset?

sadmum27 · 16/06/2024 12:59

scoobysnaxx · 16/06/2024 12:57

The mums texts were absolutely fine and not rude in the slightest.

You are weirdly defensive in your reaction to them.

Tbh you sound absolutely insufferable, arrogant and obnoxious after the comments you made.

Batshit fucking crazy.

I think she sounds assertive and absolutely reasonable. Her kid, her home, her rules. People aren't obliged to attend if they don't like it.

DodoTired · 16/06/2024 13:00

AnotherEmma · 16/06/2024 12:53

I find it really distasteful how some posters are telling the OP how great she is after she made these comments:

"I appreciate her child may have additional needs I’m not aware of but (a) they have the option of not attending the party and (b) she is ok to go to after school care without her parents there."
"I don’t care about her hypothetical needs or differences (which she hasn’t actually articulated). Not sure why I should massively inconvenience myself hosting Jemima’s weird rude mother when Jemima could just not come."

OP has openly stated she doesn't care whether a child has additional needs and is not interested in accommodating them, she would much rather the child didn't come - massively ableist and exclusionary, and yet people are saying:

"I'm a little bit in love with you OP!"

"I like you, OP!"

"I like you too OP. Have enjoyed your responses on this thread."

"I LOVE the cut of your jib."

"You managed it all superbly OP."

"you sound very chilled" (er what?!)

"I love you, OP."

"OP you sound amazing"

"thanks for the inspirational posts" (inspirational?! Really?!!)

"OP I have found your responses increasingly brilliant as we went on."

"Thanks for making my morning, OP! Your responses have made me laugh out loud! If you were in the UK I'd ask if we could have coffee, as you sound like my sort of person."

"You're great OP."

"I like you OP."

"You're hilarious OP."

"OP I’m sad you’re in NZ as I want to meet you and have a drink."

"op I reckon we’d be great mates!"

"you are brilliant."

"I like you too OP"

"I would like you on my team :)"

Ugh ugh ugh Envy

It reminds me a bit of high school when people would cheerlead the bullies.

I would expect it is from usual wet lettuce types who can never say no so are excited at seeing a boundary set

but it isn’t about the boundary, it is about weird rage, name calling and shaming of that other mum for just asking 🤷‍♀️ boundaries are fine. But why to be so arsey about it I don’t get

user1984778379202 · 16/06/2024 13:02

AnotherEmma · 16/06/2024 12:53

I find it really distasteful how some posters are telling the OP how great she is after she made these comments:

"I appreciate her child may have additional needs I’m not aware of but (a) they have the option of not attending the party and (b) she is ok to go to after school care without her parents there."
"I don’t care about her hypothetical needs or differences (which she hasn’t actually articulated). Not sure why I should massively inconvenience myself hosting Jemima’s weird rude mother when Jemima could just not come."

OP has openly stated she doesn't care whether a child has additional needs and is not interested in accommodating them, she would much rather the child didn't come - massively ableist and exclusionary, and yet people are saying:

"I'm a little bit in love with you OP!"

"I like you, OP!"

"I like you too OP. Have enjoyed your responses on this thread."

"I LOVE the cut of your jib."

"You managed it all superbly OP."

"you sound very chilled" (er what?!)

"I love you, OP."

"OP you sound amazing"

"thanks for the inspirational posts" (inspirational?! Really?!!)

"OP I have found your responses increasingly brilliant as we went on."

"Thanks for making my morning, OP! Your responses have made me laugh out loud! If you were in the UK I'd ask if we could have coffee, as you sound like my sort of person."

"You're great OP."

"I like you OP."

"You're hilarious OP."

"OP I’m sad you’re in NZ as I want to meet you and have a drink."

"op I reckon we’d be great mates!"

"you are brilliant."

"I like you too OP"

"I would like you on my team :)"

Ugh ugh ugh Envy

It reminds me a bit of high school when people would cheerlead the bullies.

Well said. This comment I don’t care about her hypothetical needs or differences (which she hasn’t actually articulated) is particularly nasty. I hope OP and none of those posters fawning over her never know what it's like to have a child that does have needs and differences, because it's bloody hard and emotional and draining.

JennyJenny8675309 · 16/06/2024 13:02

toobusytothink · 16/06/2024 08:04

Anyone else thinking jemima’s mum has had a lucky escape!

No.

Famfirst · 16/06/2024 13:03

Endoftheroad12345 · 16/06/2024 06:59

You’d be wrong, and really fucking rude actually

There's only one rude person on this thread and it isn't @WitchyWay

SuperDuperJezebel · 16/06/2024 13:07

@Endoftheroad12345 you're my kind of woman (also a Kiwi, living in the UK tho) and really missing fairy bread now.

Endoftheroad12345 · 16/06/2024 13:07

Calliopespa · 16/06/2024 12:48

Have you got examples or the rudeness? I’ve seen a bit of sassy self defence … but rude has all been in the other direction.

This thread is quite bullying. The women on Mn witter on all the time about boundaries and “ not people pleasing” ; yet when confronted by a fair example they pile on. And I think the problem was it was a fair example- maybe not the line we would all have drawn ( I’d probably have “people pleased” and said yes of course, stay as long as you like but then I’m a bit of a “ doormat” when it comes to social “ boundaries” because I simply don’t enjoy awkwardness). Had it been some totally arsey decision like not asking MIL to the christening, they’d all have egged her on in a frenzy. If Jemima struggles with being left the mum only needed to say so- but she didn’t.

Thanks @Calliopespa

I reflecting how once upon a time I probably would have got quite upset and started arguing with everyone on the thread (believe it or not, I am far more chilled than I was a few years ago 😂).

But when you have been through what I have, you have to get comfortable with being the villain in other people’s stories. It used to really bother me that people might think badly of me for ending my marriage, for example. Now I know that only me, and to a certain extent my kids, know what life married to exH was like and only our opinions matter. This thread has been an interesting test case for that theory!

Likewise, I ruthlessly prioritise my kids and then work. I had lots of coaching about my inability to set boundaries at work and I’ve got much better about prioritising what matters and leaving the rest. If I let someone take up my time with pointless shit, it means one of two things - I won’t get something important done, which could jeopardise my job and our security, or I’ll have to stay late/work weekends which takes away time with my kids. So I’m constantly saying no to things that don’t serve my priorities.

So setting this boundary with this mother is a small example of that. I am sorry if her child is ND or feels uncomfortable at the party but equally I want to enjoy hosting DD’s party and not feel awkward and uncomfortable with a stranger there, or inwardly seething that I didn’t say no (which I know I would). I know drop and runs are the norm. So ultimately my comfort in my own home is more important to me that someone else’s hypothetical discomfort. I don’t think that makes me a bad person but if it does - I’m comfortable being the villain! But I was interested to see how it was perceived. Hence the AIBU.

OP posts:
Endoftheroad12345 · 16/06/2024 13:09

user1984778379202 · 16/06/2024 13:02

Well said. This comment I don’t care about her hypothetical needs or differences (which she hasn’t actually articulated) is particularly nasty. I hope OP and none of those posters fawning over her never know what it's like to have a child that does have needs and differences, because it's bloody hard and emotional and draining.

the key word in this post is hypothetical. I am not tying myself in knots over information I have not been informed of - which may not exist.

OP posts:
BishyBarnyBee · 16/06/2024 13:09

This is such an odd thread. Why post on AIBU if you are so very, very sure you are totally reasonable? Kind of pointless to ask for opinions when you're clearly not at all interested in any that differ from yours.

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