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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To be done with this forum..

311 replies

Hardknocks · 13/06/2024 20:51

I don’t know what’s in the water at the moment but I’ve posted a few times on here in the last few months seeking advice and have received nothing but awful, nasty comments that have really upset me, and I am not a sensitive person. I don’t have a close circle of mum friends, I’m not close to my mum either so this is the only place I can come and voice these concerns or feelings.

Nothing I’ve said has been outrageous or contentious, I mainly ask questions about whether particular aspects of my toddlers behaviour is normal, but I’ve been called a bad mum, entitled, lazy and stupid amongst other worse ones. I know (or thought) I wasn’t any of those things, just a mum to a 2 year old navigating this all for the first time.

This forum has really changed in the last few years and I’m not sure why, but it’s not a very nice place to be anymore. If anyone has any suggestions for other forums please let me know… I could really do with the support.

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dutysuite · 14/06/2024 14:38

It’s why I’d never post asking for advice, that and the fact I might see my post posted on the mumsnet Facebook page of which I don’t follow but still sometimes see a post from this site lifted and posted on there.

Silvers11 · 14/06/2024 14:41

@Hardknocks I sympathise with you. A lot of very mean /nasty comments and 'kicking of the OP' while they are down. It's not just the Original Posts which get nasty replies. A lot of the replies do too, because someone disagrees with the reply and decides to have a go at the person replying in a nasty way too

MissMoan · 14/06/2024 14:43

My last submission was a light-hearted post that was meant to induce humour, but I mostly received an influx of negativity.

frankentall · 14/06/2024 14:56

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Yampy · 14/06/2024 14:57

AutumnFroglets · 14/06/2024 12:26

I believe it was a Reddit subforum that a lot of basement dwellers were on so not technically a mens only website. Other people found out and posted about it on here shortly after a large influx of hate.

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I know of 2 websites that infiltrated mumsnet years ago, they were underground music forums, some of the men who did this still brag about it & haven’t covered their tracks very well. I reckon a lot of them still come on here, they are certainly obsessed with this place, you know with women supporting each other & having rights.

CoffeeCantata · 14/06/2024 14:58

That's a shame, OP. I'm sorry you didn't get the support you were after.

I don't come on much and don't recall any of your posts, but I do know what you mean.

I often wish pps would just answer the OP's questions instead of finding things to pick on within their post. The number of times you get people having a go because of a word/expression someone has used, or people reading far too much between the lines and trying to psychoanalyse them (when that wasn't what was requested!!).

Just answer the OP's question in good faith, and if you can't - then walk on by.

EatCrow · 14/06/2024 15:00

MyQuaintDog · 14/06/2024 12:41

I am sorry you have had this.
I used to post to ask for advice about DC. Now days this is the very last place I would ask. MN is fine to just chat. It is a terrible place for advice about your children.

…it’s called “Mum”snet. Things don’t get much stranger than that!

EatCrow · 14/06/2024 15:02

Lavengro · 14/06/2024 10:45

I've been here about 15 years. It's definitely nastier than it used to be. I think like a lot of places, both on the internet and in public life, it's become a battleground for polarised behaviour, which I see as a kind of social/political development since around the time of Brexit, then Covid, and now just within politics generally. A lot of this has been driven by foreign governments and the seeding of discussion forums with bots and AI, just to get opinion polarised and increasingly verbally violent, and to sow division within communities. I think a lot of OP's aren't real, and that real posters subliminally respond to that (but don't always get it right), and also that a lot of responders aren't real. The goal is just to generate dissent and misunderstanding in previously civilised communities, make society fight itself and increase the likelihood that people will believe bonkers/nasty things and vote in bonkers/nasty ways. I guess we should be flattered that Russia/China et al think Mumsnet is influential enough to be a fertile environment for sowing social discord, but it's a shame, and as OP demonstrates, affects real people in a horrible way.

Excellent post and a perfect summation.

NonPlayerCharacter · 14/06/2024 15:07

Yampy · 14/06/2024 14:57

I know of 2 websites that infiltrated mumsnet years ago, they were underground music forums, some of the men who did this still brag about it & haven’t covered their tracks very well. I reckon a lot of them still come on here, they are certainly obsessed with this place, you know with women supporting each other & having rights.

I still laugh when I remember the dudebro who came on here to tell us we were all old, fat and mumsy and would never get a sexy catch like him, until someone asked him why, if he was such catnip and we were such hags, he was hanging around with us alone at 10pm on a Saturday night.

starlingskies · 14/06/2024 15:09

I think you can't win on here, no matter what you post, often the replies take the opposite view. If you posted a thread on the same topic with the opposite view on the OP, you would get responses which would agree with you/have sympathy on your original view. It's like devil's advocate every time. No matter what you say, there will be a queue of people to say that you are wrong!

shearwater2 · 14/06/2024 15:10

You could hide AIBU, OP. The rest of the place is different.

VintageBag · 14/06/2024 15:14

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Really mature and constructive post. 🙄

Davros · 14/06/2024 15:17

I do think any OP needs to spend a bit of time familiarising themselves with the site and finding the most relevant area to post on. Just putting anything and everything in AIBU or Chat is not going to get the most useful and reasonable responses. Not that I'm saying you've done that OP but it definitely happens

MyQuaintDog · 14/06/2024 15:18

Most other sections are dead - not all, but I have looked at some that have not been posted on for months.

duchessofsilk · 14/06/2024 15:19

starlingskies · 14/06/2024 15:09

I think you can't win on here, no matter what you post, often the replies take the opposite view. If you posted a thread on the same topic with the opposite view on the OP, you would get responses which would agree with you/have sympathy on your original view. It's like devil's advocate every time. No matter what you say, there will be a queue of people to say that you are wrong!

Yes- I have noticed this too, so many times!!

Eg whenever someone says they only have a joint account everyone says it's making them vulnerable and "he'll leave you and take all your money", "you're being very foolish" etc. When people say they have separate finances they get 'well thats not a real marriage is it?" and "thats awful you dont trust your partner" blah blah You cant win.

I feel like whatever stance the OP takes, people seem to like taking the opposite view. Its so bizarre this need to be contrary.

GiveMeSpanakopita · 14/06/2024 15:20

theresnolimits · 14/06/2024 12:35

Mumsnet seemed to get really aggressive over Covid which polarised people and that tone has continued. The furore over VAT in private schools is one example. The hate filled language from both sides around class was/is shocking - you can’t offered a reasoned comment, it’s all vitriol.

Is Mumsnet just a mirror for society when certain groups are othered by politicians and the media and the House of Commons is a bear pit? And this is magnified by the anonymity of the internet where no one has to take responsibility.

I’ve found good advice and support here and I refuse to engage if any one is nasty. My advice on social media - use it but don’t lose it.

This is a really insightful comment. I do think that the Scottish Indyref, Brexit, the 2019 GE and the lockdown damaged the national psyche - we lost the ability to remember how to be respectful to people with different opinions.

And I also think the 'call out' culture of social media means that people are now conditioned by the big tech platforms to actively look for a reason to criticise or put the boot in.

Im not immune to this; no one is.

On MN, as other PPs have pointed out, the tone of the first few comments has a massive influence. Humans are herd animals and we tend to fall in with the direction the wind's blowing.

frankentall · 14/06/2024 15:23

VintageBag · 14/06/2024 15:14

Really mature and constructive post. 🙄

and yours is......

This thread is just a variation on the regular "everyone's become so mean" threads that appear on here most weeks and have been for at least 10 years. It's the internet, anyone who doesn't like it here is free to go elsewhere, plenty of other parent/Mum forums. I like this place.

EatCrow · 14/06/2024 15:26

starlingskies · 14/06/2024 15:09

I think you can't win on here, no matter what you post, often the replies take the opposite view. If you posted a thread on the same topic with the opposite view on the OP, you would get responses which would agree with you/have sympathy on your original view. It's like devil's advocate every time. No matter what you say, there will be a queue of people to say that you are wrong!

It almost seems like gaslighting.

xxSideshowAuntSallyxx · 14/06/2024 15:37

NonPlayerCharacter · 14/06/2024 15:07

I still laugh when I remember the dudebro who came on here to tell us we were all old, fat and mumsy and would never get a sexy catch like him, until someone asked him why, if he was such catnip and we were such hags, he was hanging around with us alone at 10pm on a Saturday night.

I was a member of another forum that had a thread about mumsnet it kicked off big style with people from both sites going on the other. It was quite amusing and light hearted. This was years ago though before everyone forgot what a sense of humour was or became really nasty.

KomodoOhno · 14/06/2024 16:02

daisychain01 · 14/06/2024 05:12

When you're feeling down or overwhelmed with a problem, you don't always feel able to "laugh it off". Having a bunch of posters lay in on you with snarky or judgemental comments just makes you feel even more alone. If the OP could laugh it off, I don't suppose she'd have started this thread!

I was saying only that I laugh it off. And I will laugh this comment off too.I hope all the support op has gotten on this thread helps her if she stays on mumsnet or not.

Exactlab · 14/06/2024 16:49

Lavengro · 14/06/2024 13:56

No, you missed my point. I think there's a lot of bot activity on social media generally, and the point of them is to polarise debate and toxify public discourse, which creates fertile ground for other kinds of social division. Ordinary people being obnoxious to each other is fallout from that.

It's not exactly an original observation and the fact that people are already mocking it kind of proves my point.

Thank you for explaining this to me

Exactlab · 14/06/2024 16:51

Howbizarre22 · 14/06/2024 13:47

I recently started a thread of positivity called pure joy to try and counter all the negativity but it had about 3 responses 😂🤣🤣 I guess people are drawn to the bad stuff more & love a good argument!

You really did that?! 🤣

Exactlab · 14/06/2024 16:53

The posts I absolutely hate are the ones where people write about what snacks they are eating. It’s the most mindless drivel. If there were boys they should go after those threads. The interesting ones are always taken down.

Boomer55 · 14/06/2024 16:53

Over the net, this site is known as “mumnuts” because of some of the posts.

I wouldn’t post here for serious advice. 🤷‍♀️

NonPlayerCharacter · 14/06/2024 16:56

Boomer55 · 14/06/2024 16:53

Over the net, this site is known as “mumnuts” because of some of the posts.

I wouldn’t post here for serious advice. 🤷‍♀️

Plenty of posters these days have nuts.

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