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'Dad's side of the family'...is it really a thing?

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TheolderIgetthelessIknow · 10/06/2024 17:40

I read recently, not on Mumsnet but somewhere similar, a young woman stating categorically that she would not take on responsibility for communication (such as making arrangements, sending birthday gifts, etc.) to her husband's side of the family. I was a little shocked to see in the comments that most of the respondents wholeheartedly agreed with her, even if it meant that communication with that side of the family dwindled to nothing, assuming that many men are not that bothered about keeping in touch or even remembering birthdays, etc. I'm an older woman with a daughter and a son, both married. My daughter keeps in daily contact with me but has virtually no contact with her PIL. As a result, I see a lot of her children and know what's happening in their lives. My son, on the other hand, literally only gets in touch when he wants something -usually money- and I never hear from my DIL at all. I only see their children when I visit them (self-invited); they hardly ever visit me and my DH although I've invited them lots of times ( they're always 'busy', often with DIL's side of the family) and said that they can come whenever they want to. Birthdays, mothers/fathers days and Christmas are a bit hit and miss regarding presents and cards from them, although I always visit with cards and gifts for them.
So, my query is: am I being unreasonable to expect at least some sort of regular input from them, regarding the children at least? Is it definitely a thing that young mums now refuse to take on the burden of keeping their MIL up to date and maybe sending birthday cards or whatever? It might make me feel a bit better if I know it's just my son's laziness (not that that's any excuse) rather than antipathy from my DIL.

OP posts:
SomewhereOverTheHill · 10/06/2024 18:52

Nigellasstickytoffeepudding · 10/06/2024 18:46

A daughter is a daughter all her life. A son is a son until he finds a wife.

Only if that’s the mantra that is instilled in them as they grow up.
My MIL always churned that saying out and treated boys in the family as less than and second class to the women because she believed it was true and so the boys weren’t worth the effort.
Shes made it come true for some and doesn’t see them at all, and screwed the others up.

CelesteCunningham · 10/06/2024 18:52

TheolderIgetthelessIknow · 10/06/2024 18:50

I actually don't put it all on my DIL, I know my son could care more. All I know is that, when I was a young mum (who worked full time and had the same responsibilities that young working mums have now), I knew that if I didn't do the communication thing with my in laws, it'd just fall apart. I'm just perplexed that women, knowing that their men are absolutely useless at this sort of thing, would deliberately let relationships suffer for the sake of 'it's not my responsibility'.

Again that's blaming women for men's uselessness.

Are you familiar with the concept of strategic incompetence?

MotherFeministWoman · 10/06/2024 18:52

NoveltyCereal · 10/06/2024 18:22

There is an element of that I 100% agree with you.

However I don't believe a woman who loves her husband's family and has a great relationship with them should sacrifice that to make a point to her husband. Everyone loses in that situation.

Who is suggesting this?

Merryoldgoat · 10/06/2024 18:52

Relationships are reciprocal.

DH, PIL and I all contact each other separately and together. MIL and I do things we like (ballet/theatre/spa/shopping) and FIL and I do DIY together. DH sees both his parents together, separately with and without me and the children.

ALL of us maintain and nurture the relationships. I’ve said before that I wouldn’t have a serious relationship with someone with parents I couldn’t have SOME sort of positive relationship with.

DaisyChain505 · 10/06/2024 18:53

TheolderIgetthelessIknow · 10/06/2024 18:50

I actually don't put it all on my DIL, I know my son could care more. All I know is that, when I was a young mum (who worked full time and had the same responsibilities that young working mums have now), I knew that if I didn't do the communication thing with my in laws, it'd just fall apart. I'm just perplexed that women, knowing that their men are absolutely useless at this sort of thing, would deliberately let relationships suffer for the sake of 'it's not my responsibility'.

So you enabled your husband to be lazy and not care about his family by doing it for him.

EricHebbornInItaly · 10/06/2024 18:53

TheolderIgetthelessIknow · 10/06/2024 18:50

I actually don't put it all on my DIL, I know my son could care more. All I know is that, when I was a young mum (who worked full time and had the same responsibilities that young working mums have now), I knew that if I didn't do the communication thing with my in laws, it'd just fall apart. I'm just perplexed that women, knowing that their men are absolutely useless at this sort of thing, would deliberately let relationships suffer for the sake of 'it's not my responsibility'.

You are asking women to take up the reigns for useless men. Why should they?!? Just because you chose to martyr yourself (and I did this too until I woke up and realised I was being taken for a mug). Have a word with your son if you don’t like it!

Retiric · 10/06/2024 18:53

TheolderIgetthelessIknow · 10/06/2024 18:50

I actually don't put it all on my DIL, I know my son could care more. All I know is that, when I was a young mum (who worked full time and had the same responsibilities that young working mums have now), I knew that if I didn't do the communication thing with my in laws, it'd just fall apart. I'm just perplexed that women, knowing that their men are absolutely useless at this sort of thing, would deliberately let relationships suffer for the sake of 'it's not my responsibility'.

Why do you think babying and infantilising men is the answer?

SerenaWaldorf · 10/06/2024 18:54

I'd never send my husbands side of the family cards or gifts, that's his job. I am in contact with his mum off both of our own backs as I do like her, I'll occasionally send pictures of the kids or have a quick text chat here and there, but I have my own mother to buy birthday/Christmas gifts and presents for. It's not my job to sort all of his too. He wouldn't ever think of doing that for my side of the family.

WitcheryDivine · 10/06/2024 18:54

Does your son keep in touch with his in laws? Send his mother in law a birthday card so her own daughter doesn’t have to etc?

When DH and I moved in together I told him I wasn’t going to “do” the keeping in touch/cards/presents for his family and we agreed to each get presents for our own side so to speak. Mostly because I sometimes want to get something indulgent for my family! So yes OP maybe your DIL said the same. In terms of visits we help and facilitate each other to visit family and have family to stay, I even remind him to send presents/phone his dad etc but I don’t do it for him. Not only because it’s not my job but because I’m not their child - I’m sure they’d far rather hear from him than me 😁

Merryoldgoat · 10/06/2024 18:54

I'm just perplexed that women, knowing that their men are absolutely useless at this sort of thing, would deliberately let relationships suffer for the sake of 'it's not my responsibility'.

I’m perplexed by women having such low expectations of adult men to whom they are married and have children with.

andHelenknowsimmiserablenow · 10/06/2024 18:54

Nigellasstickytoffeepudding · 10/06/2024 18:46

A daughter is a daughter all her life. A son is a son until he finds a wife.

So true in some cases!
My DM can't understand how me and Dsis can make the effort to call and visit and remember birthday's etc, but DB hardly bothers.
In the beginning she blamed SIL assuming it was her responsibility and was really hurt by it.
I quite admire her determination to only take on the responsibility of her own extended family and leave DB to sort out ours. Why should men get away with the laziness of not bothering?
If they can remember football fixtures they can remember birthday's!

overwork · 10/06/2024 18:54

I think you worded it perfectly in your opening post. It is a 'burden' having to arrange visits / presents for my partners parents and family. And not one which I need to add to my plate. So I don't. It has caused problems and my partner definitely should do more to communicate with his parents, but that's on him.

TheolderIgetthelessIknow · 10/06/2024 18:54

ginasevern · 10/06/2024 18:01

It is of course the son's responsibility and fault if he can't be bothered. However, if my MIL was a really nice caring person and a good grandmother to my children I wouldn't let her be upset because of my DH's ineptitude. I would buy her a card/flowers, whatever, for her birthday or Christmas. I'd look at it as being beneficial not only for a nice woman but also for my children's grandmother.

Oh thank you. I'm practically crying here reading all the comments and you've been so kind. If I take it as read that DILs will not take on the responsibility of keeping in touch, what happens when sons can't be bothered? Do we grandmothers just have to suck it up and conclude, as someone said, it's actually my fault for not bringing up my son better?

OP posts:
Dishwashersaurous · 10/06/2024 18:55

It is entirely 100% the responsibility of the child, of either gender, to maintain a relationship with their parents and wider family.

If an individual, of either gender, doesn't do so, then failure is entirely with that individual and not with their spouse.

Thousands of men manage to phone their mother and send her birthday cards.

Perhaps the real question to ask yourself is why your son is unable to do so, and why you haven't tackled it with him

Simonjt · 10/06/2024 18:56

TheolderIgetthelessIknow · 10/06/2024 18:50

I actually don't put it all on my DIL, I know my son could care more. All I know is that, when I was a young mum (who worked full time and had the same responsibilities that young working mums have now), I knew that if I didn't do the communication thing with my in laws, it'd just fall apart. I'm just perplexed that women, knowing that their men are absolutely useless at this sort of thing, would deliberately let relationships suffer for the sake of 'it's not my responsibility'.

Fuck me, rock bottom standards and blaming women for it. No wonder you’ve got a lazy son who can’t be bothered with you, it’s exactly how his two parents have taught him to behave. These men aren’t useless, they’re just not bothered about the relationship, hence you becoming convenient when he wants money he can suddenly find your contact details.

Retiric · 10/06/2024 18:56

TheolderIgetthelessIknow · 10/06/2024 18:54

Oh thank you. I'm practically crying here reading all the comments and you've been so kind. If I take it as read that DILs will not take on the responsibility of keeping in touch, what happens when sons can't be bothered? Do we grandmothers just have to suck it up and conclude, as someone said, it's actually my fault for not bringing up my son better?

But why should they 'take on the responsibility'? If your son wanted to see you, surely he would? And if you want to see him, you 'take on the responsibility' and ask your own son to see him?

Bjorkdidit · 10/06/2024 18:56

It sounds exhausting to divide up the chat in 'his and hers' like this

It sounds even more exhausting for her if she ends up doing his half for him as well as her own.

TheolderIgetthelessIknow · 10/06/2024 18:57

nobeans · 10/06/2024 18:04

This. I'm not dealing with the MIL when her own son can't be arsed

But this means that the MIL misses out on so much, through no fault of her own.

OP posts:
Dishwashersaurous · 10/06/2024 18:57

And if your son doesn't send you a birthday card or get in contact then you need to speak to him about it.

Explain that you are hurt by his indifference and ask him to do better

Retiric · 10/06/2024 18:58

TheolderIgetthelessIknow · 10/06/2024 18:57

But this means that the MIL misses out on so much, through no fault of her own.

But it's your son's.... So ask him?

Merryoldgoat · 10/06/2024 18:58

TheolderIgetthelessIknow · 10/06/2024 18:57

But this means that the MIL misses out on so much, through no fault of her own.

What do YOU do to nurture the relationships?

sprigatito · 10/06/2024 18:59

TheolderIgetthelessIknow · 10/06/2024 18:50

I actually don't put it all on my DIL, I know my son could care more. All I know is that, when I was a young mum (who worked full time and had the same responsibilities that young working mums have now), I knew that if I didn't do the communication thing with my in laws, it'd just fall apart. I'm just perplexed that women, knowing that their men are absolutely useless at this sort of thing, would deliberately let relationships suffer for the sake of 'it's not my responsibility'.

The thing is, in order for society to progress towards equality between the sexes, women do have to start pushing back against regressive assumptions like "men are useless at staying in touch/remembering birthdays/buying gifts". We know that men can manage these higher-order thinking skills when their work requires it. We know that they can manage normal social interactions when they want to, with their friends. If we want fairness and equality, then women do, at some point, have to drop the rope and let men take it up. If men choose to let their family relationships founder rather than step up and do these relatively easy and normal things, the fault is theirs, not their wives.

CelesteCunningham · 10/06/2024 18:59

TheolderIgetthelessIknow · 10/06/2024 18:54

Oh thank you. I'm practically crying here reading all the comments and you've been so kind. If I take it as read that DILs will not take on the responsibility of keeping in touch, what happens when sons can't be bothered? Do we grandmothers just have to suck it up and conclude, as someone said, it's actually my fault for not bringing up my son better?

Well you either suck it up or discuss it with him. His wife and sister manage to maintain a relationship with their parents, why can't he.

Marblessolveeverything · 10/06/2024 19:00

TheolderIgetthelessIknow · 10/06/2024 18:50

I actually don't put it all on my DIL, I know my son could care more. All I know is that, when I was a young mum (who worked full time and had the same responsibilities that young working mums have now), I knew that if I didn't do the communication thing with my in laws, it'd just fall apart. I'm just perplexed that women, knowing that their men are absolutely useless at this sort of thing, would deliberately let relationships suffer for the sake of 'it's not my responsibility'.

Because it isn't they are useless there isn't a brain difference there is a privilege difference!

Can you not recognise you raised your son to see women as less than, responsible for more? Stop the nonsense of men aren't social. Who the hell is in all the bloody pubs and golf clubs, they aren't typically women only are they? No they are men who are choosing to be there over doing the family thing.

Sprogonthetyne · 10/06/2024 19:00

TheolderIgetthelessIknow · 10/06/2024 18:50

I actually don't put it all on my DIL, I know my son could care more. All I know is that, when I was a young mum (who worked full time and had the same responsibilities that young working mums have now), I knew that if I didn't do the communication thing with my in laws, it'd just fall apart. I'm just perplexed that women, knowing that their men are absolutely useless at this sort of thing, would deliberately let relationships suffer for the sake of 'it's not my responsibility'.

Just because you were willing to infantisize your DH by doing it for him, doesn't mean everyone else has to. If DH doesn't buy his mum a birthday present, that's on him (and a bit on PIL for not teaching him better). If I do it once, because he 'so busy right now' or 'has a lot on his mind', then the learned incompetence kicks in, and I'd be either stuck doing every time, or the bad guy for stopping. He's no less busy then me, and his time is no more important then mine, why should I do his emotional labour for him?

Do you also buy your DH's cloths 'so he doesn't look scruffy' or make his lunch 'so he doesn't go hungry'?

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