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'Dad's side of the family'...is it really a thing?

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TheolderIgetthelessIknow · 10/06/2024 17:40

I read recently, not on Mumsnet but somewhere similar, a young woman stating categorically that she would not take on responsibility for communication (such as making arrangements, sending birthday gifts, etc.) to her husband's side of the family. I was a little shocked to see in the comments that most of the respondents wholeheartedly agreed with her, even if it meant that communication with that side of the family dwindled to nothing, assuming that many men are not that bothered about keeping in touch or even remembering birthdays, etc. I'm an older woman with a daughter and a son, both married. My daughter keeps in daily contact with me but has virtually no contact with her PIL. As a result, I see a lot of her children and know what's happening in their lives. My son, on the other hand, literally only gets in touch when he wants something -usually money- and I never hear from my DIL at all. I only see their children when I visit them (self-invited); they hardly ever visit me and my DH although I've invited them lots of times ( they're always 'busy', often with DIL's side of the family) and said that they can come whenever they want to. Birthdays, mothers/fathers days and Christmas are a bit hit and miss regarding presents and cards from them, although I always visit with cards and gifts for them.
So, my query is: am I being unreasonable to expect at least some sort of regular input from them, regarding the children at least? Is it definitely a thing that young mums now refuse to take on the burden of keeping their MIL up to date and maybe sending birthday cards or whatever? It might make me feel a bit better if I know it's just my son's laziness (not that that's any excuse) rather than antipathy from my DIL.

OP posts:
Dragonsandcats · 10/06/2024 17:56

TheUndoing · 10/06/2024 17:44

So your daughter doesn’t keep in touch with her in laws but you expect your DIL to keep in touch with you, even though your own son clearly can’t be bothered?

This!

Heartofglass12345 · 10/06/2024 17:56

I agree, it's not my job to buy presents for my husband's family or remember birthdays etc, it's his. He managed before he met me so he can manage after! And he does, with no input from me.
Amazing what men can do when they put their minds to it Hmm

Pinkypinkyplonk · 10/06/2024 17:58

With all due respect, I’m not sure your son cares much

ARichtGoodDram · 10/06/2024 17:58

Out of curiosity @TheolderIgetthelessIknow do you pull your daughter up for not bothering with her in laws?

Nonameatall77 · 10/06/2024 17:58

It’s not that I refuse to have contact with my in-laws, but my dh just does his side and I do mine. He’s very good at sending cards/arranging meet-ups etc , better than me tbh 🫣

AlwaysBlowingLightbulbs · 10/06/2024 17:59

I speak text or see my parents daily they're separated
We also see PIL weekly. I'd message them probably 2x week and dh rings them min 1 x week. Mainly as they share a particular interest.
Guess we're all pretty close.

AlwaysBlowingLightbulbs · 10/06/2024 17:59

Dunno why that highlighted.

SomewhereOverTheHill · 10/06/2024 18:00

It sounds like you’ve taught your DC that keeping in touch with family is women's work and mothers of sons are less important anyway - hence your daughter not interesting in her PIL and your son not interested in you.
How was your relationship with your in-laws?
The modern world (thankfully) no longer expects women to be the glue that takes on the strain of holding the entire family together. You need to have a word with your son and make sure he understands that. It’s his job (and yours) to maintain your relationship, not your DILs.

AlwaysBlowingLightbulbs · 10/06/2024 18:00

I also do all the card and gift buying. I have virtually everyday free and dh works crazy hours . And mostly because I enjoy it. I love shopping for others.

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 10/06/2024 18:01

HanarCantWearSweaters · 10/06/2024 17:41

YANBU to expect it from your son. YABU to expect it from your DIL when your own son can’t be bothered.

Indeed. Well done DIL.

ginasevern · 10/06/2024 18:01

It is of course the son's responsibility and fault if he can't be bothered. However, if my MIL was a really nice caring person and a good grandmother to my children I wouldn't let her be upset because of my DH's ineptitude. I would buy her a card/flowers, whatever, for her birthday or Christmas. I'd look at it as being beneficial not only for a nice woman but also for my children's grandmother.

sunshineandshowers40 · 10/06/2024 18:02

Men need to stop being allowed to opt out of things, it is not your DIL responsibility and I have boys. I used to remember birthdays l, organise meeting up etc for in-laws but I stopped years ago and we hardly see them now (to be fair we didn't see them that often to begin with). DH isn't bothered so neither am I. MIL never messages to see how we are and if they ever had to cancel arrangements that I had made they would contact DH so I have left them to it!

CatrionaCat · 10/06/2024 18:02

I remind DH when "his side" family birthdays are coming up, but it's then up to him to get a card/present/book a meal or whatever. Actually I sometimes make a handmade card for MIL because she likes them.

He does other "life admin " stuff to make up for me keeping track and reminding him. If he didn't, I wouldn't give him the reminders.

makeanddo · 10/06/2024 18:03

I agree @ssd it's depressing how in 2024 some people think this is women's work and they are the default for keeping family life running smoothly. It's depressing how many men either don't care or don't see it as their job.

Sahara123 · 10/06/2024 18:03

My husband used to speak to his mum constantly on the phone, and visit her , she lived a long way away. I did do cards, flowers and presents - with his input -for her however, it just kind of happened, she was a lovely lady and I never minded. I miss her .

nobeans · 10/06/2024 18:04

HanarCantWearSweaters · 10/06/2024 17:41

YANBU to expect it from your son. YABU to expect it from your DIL when your own son can’t be bothered.

This. I'm not dealing with the MIL when her own son can't be arsed

DappledThings · 10/06/2024 18:04

My PIL's birthdays aren't even vaguely my responsibility. Nor is my SIL responsible for my brother sorting my parents' birthdays. I don't expect DH to do anything for my parents or my brother for his MIL either.

sprigatito · 10/06/2024 18:04

commonground · 10/06/2024 17:55

Blimey, some harsh replies here.

I am all for not taking on the mental load, but I actually like my in-laws as people and as friends, so I am very happy to send birthday cards, Whatsapp and communicate with them, just as I would with my mates or my own family. (That doesn't mean I take on all responsibility - the one thing I leave entirely to DH is the mother's day card.)

I think it would take more effort for me to deliberately NOT acknowledge a birthday or an event in my ILs life. It's totally natural to ping a message or an invite. But I do it in tandem with DH - he also is communicative with his family (and mine actually).

It sounds exhausting to divide up the chat in 'his and hers' like this.

If you click with your in-laws and a close relationship develops, that's different of course. That doesn't happen for many people, unsurprisingly, since we don't choose our partners' families. My MIL has despised me since before I met her, we have nothing in common and she has never mellowed or become less rude and critical towards me. That being the case, I don't have enough of a personal attachment to her to want to send flowers or cards from me specifically (and she wouldn't want them!) so if I were to take on responsibility for remembering her birthday/mothers' day etc, it would definitely be wife work. Which I am not doing, because DH is an adult and she is his mother.

Miriad · 10/06/2024 18:06

I’m sure your DIL thinks you’re perfectly nice, but it’s not her job to stay in touch with you or organise cards or gifts for you. That’s your DS’s job. Why do you think she should be making extra effort to make up for your DS’s laziness?

Marblessolveeverything · 10/06/2024 18:06

So the DS you raised isn't reliable but you reckon his partner should be? Eh nope. I have and will never take on some else's responsibility due to their laziness.

I am raising boys they most certainly won't be excused for their poor form. No way would I place blame on their partners, that is just not fair or right.

YellowCloud · 10/06/2024 18:07

It might make me feel a bit better if I know it's just my son's laziness (not that that's any excuse) rather than antipathy from my DIL.

I don’t get this? It IS your son’s laziness. Your DIL won’t be stopping him from keeping in touch. She just isn’t doing it for him (why she should she? She probably works/busy with kids/responsible for dealing with her side of the family), and your son isn’t bothering.

Your son is the useless one here.

My husband sorts all that stuff for his side of the family - nieces and nephews presents, his mum and dad’s presents. We visit them equally as much as my parents. He organises. I don’t remind him of anything, and he doesn’t remind me. They were his family for nearly 30 years before he met me, he knows their birthdays.

He loves his family, and wants to see them, and exchange gifts. I’m sorry that your son isn’t like that.

Wheelerdeeler · 10/06/2024 18:07

I have almost equal contact with both sides & yes I do the present buying etc. My DH would leave it until last minute & get something crap so I chose to do the buying as I like my in laws.

However DH will go help his parents or my mother with diy etc. So it's a case of sharing the load really.

Truth be told I like in laws probably more than dh likes them
He would have some issues with his upbringing whereas I met them obviously later in life and they had changed somewhat.

So you have a son issue & your daughter is obviously not a very nice person if she doesn't encourage a relationship with her in laws.

Ratisshortforratthew · 10/06/2024 18:08

My partner’s parents are perfectly pleasant people. If he arranges to see them I’m happy to accompany him. I have no idea, however, of their phone numbers or when their birthdays are

Daleksatemyshed · 10/06/2024 18:08

I agree @ssd , it's depressing that even now if a DS doesn't keep in contact with his family it must be the DIL's fault. My DP buys for his family, I do for mine, it's really not that hard for a man to remember his own family

NoveltyCereal · 10/06/2024 18:10

YANBU at all.

I think many on MN take the ultra-feminist view of 'why should a woman ever do anything to assist with a man - it's not her responsibility' but in this particular case, such a view completely disregards the fact that a) most men just aren't all that social and good at keeping in contact with family and b) these people are part of your wider family now and if you have a great relationship with them and they provide comfort, help etc, why would you actively choose to ignore them just because your partner isn't the best at keeping in contact with them.