Men can get Ovarian Cancer !

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I mean WTAF? (Source Telegraph) Ovarian Cancer Action has actually stated this.Would be bad enough generally ,but I am undergoing Treatment for this ATM, and just think it sounds ludicrous .Have been in touch with them before now and they seemed quite helpful .Feel a bit affronted ! AIBU they can say what they think,YANBU They should stick to the facts and not upset people already ill?

It also lists retardation as a condition. Should we use that word?

Edited to add: although we're still using icd-10 in our trust, haven't got the new icd-11 yet. Can't wait, my icd book is falling apart!

Cis is a scientific term like trans itself. And I was using it to mean a subset of women. Its usage may be contested (as queer is within the LGBTQ+ community) but it added clarity to my point. I am a cis woman myself.

Cis is not a scientific term except in chemistry.

And transwomen are not a subset of women, being men. There is therefore no need for any prefix to describe women, the human female sex class - just 'women' is correct and sufficient.

No it isn't. And women are not a subset of women. 🙄

Please tell me most nurses haven’t been brainwashed by gender ideology into denying biological reality. A man wouldn’t have ‘lady parts’ to tuck away

Maybe because we’re still waiting to see a message targeted at ‘people with penises’ or ‘prostate havers’. It’s distilled misogyny.

And the truth is that this dehumanising language used instead of ‘women’ is NOT used to placate ‘transmen’. There was no epidemic of transmen thinking their ovaries had vanished and dying of ovarian cancer. It’s to appease ‘transwomen’, who want to divorce womanhood from female biology. That’s also the reason we don’t see ‘people with penises’.

But it is NOT targetting just trans men, @GrammarTeacher . It targets ALL 'people with a cervix'.

It's not a separate campaign. If it was, you'd have a point.

No, it is not a scientific term. It's a misogynistic term used to HARM women.

And you are a WOMAN. Not a 'cis' woman. Get off your knees for the patriarchy!

PS To my knowledge the term 'cis' is banned on Mumsnet, so you shouldn't be using it anyway.

Cis is not a scientific term except in chemistry.

Cis isomers and trans isomers have different properties and aren't generally interconvertible.
And the cis/trans pairing that's used there there is a different meaning to the 'trans' prefix used of people for which there's no 'cis' equivalent. - there's no 'cis' analog of the word transition just like there isn't for transport, transplant, transpose, translate. It's a false back-construction.

No it really isn't.

It is a term that the AGPs use as a joke on their 'allies' because this is all down to their obsession with Cissy Porn which fuels this whole engine. Cissy Porn is how most of them got into this fetish.

I really wish people would look into what they are advocating for and supporting.

There’s no such thing as a ‘subset of woman’, how exactly would you begin to describe and define a different category of women without having to admit that anything outside a biological woman is simply male? And Cis is in no shape or form a scientific word, in fact its first use within the gendered context has extremely unsavoury connotations of predatory scientist. But then the whole gender ideology has been born out of bad science and eugenics.

If you're going to insist on subsets, then men who want to present as women can just be a subset of men. Because whatever earrings they wear they are still always biologically male.

GrammarTeacher. I really hope you are not an actual teacher.

I have typed a similar message before, but I will include it again here.

Cis/trans are Latin terms, that are most usually associated with organic chemistry.

Cis means same, trans means across. There was Cisalpine Gaul and Transalpine Gaul, mentioned in the 3rd and 4th centuries BC, to mean (in reference to Rome) "this side of the Alps Gaul" and "on the opposite aide of the Alps Gaul".

For organic chemistry, it refers to a form of isomerisation (same atoms, different 3D arrangement)

In these isomers, there is a double bond, which the chemical groups cannot rotate around. They are locked in place.

A chemical with two groups on the same side is called "cis-name of chemical". A chemical with the groups on the opposite side of the double bond is called "trans-name of chemical"

This is because they have different properties. From memory, one example has the trans isomer which does nothing, whereas the cis isomer is a chemotherapy drug.

I will include an image in my next message.

What is also important to note is that A-level chemists are also required to use E-Z notation for these isomers.

E is "entgegen", from the German for "opposite"
Z is "zusammen", from the German for "together'

Cis as a relegation of women to a subset of their own sex, has only been used for about the last 10 years, and it is recognised that is can be used as an insult/people may find it offensive.

It's a bit like labelling everyone in the world as 'Christian' or 'non-Christian'.

A Hindu person may very well protest at being called a non-Christian, as it does not fit with their beliefs.

Edited for spelling error.