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Men can get Ovarian Cancer !

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dottiedodah · 10/06/2024 13:27

I mean WTAF? (Source Telegraph) Ovarian Cancer Action has actually stated this.Would be bad enough generally ,but I am undergoing Treatment for this ATM, and just think it sounds ludicrous .Have been in touch with them before now and they seemed quite helpful .Feel a bit affronted ! AIBU they can say what they think,YANBU They should stick to the facts and not upset people already ill?

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deragod · 10/06/2024 13:50

mindutopia · 10/06/2024 13:47

You can have ovaries if you were born with ambiguous genitalia (are intersex), so I can't see why someone who was raised as a boy (but who technically has ovaries) and would consider themselves a man couldn't get ovarian cancer. A surprising number of people are intersex (I think it's 1 in 1000 babies born?) so you probably know someone who this might apply to.

There is no such thing as intersex, there are people of both sexes with disorders of sexual development. How many times those concern have to ask to not use them in point scoring?

TheKeatingFive · 10/06/2024 13:51

mindutopia · 10/06/2024 13:47

You can have ovaries if you were born with ambiguous genitalia (are intersex), so I can't see why someone who was raised as a boy (but who technically has ovaries) and would consider themselves a man couldn't get ovarian cancer. A surprising number of people are intersex (I think it's 1 in 1000 babies born?) so you probably know someone who this might apply to.

No. This is nonsense.

What you are referring to as 'intersex' is actually a disorder of sexual development. These are, in the vast, vast majority of cases, unambiguously male or female.

No humans are hermaphrodites, which is what you seem to be implying here.

Sue152 · 10/06/2024 13:51

I don't understand why they couldn't just ask 'can trans men get ovarian cancer?'

Then there's no misunderstanding surely?

All this half pretending that trans men are men - except they can get women's diseases because of course they're really women - is just silly.

notgettinganyyounger · 10/06/2024 13:53

@dottiedodah
Wishing you a speedy recovery 💐

smallchange · 10/06/2024 13:56

mindutopia · 10/06/2024 13:47

You can have ovaries if you were born with ambiguous genitalia (are intersex), so I can't see why someone who was raised as a boy (but who technically has ovaries) and would consider themselves a man couldn't get ovarian cancer. A surprising number of people are intersex (I think it's 1 in 1000 babies born?) so you probably know someone who this might apply to.

No. For a start, even if it was 1:1000, you would have to remove all the men with ambiguous genitalia (Differences of Sexual Development - intersex is not a term used by clinicians, people with DSDs and families in this country and all people with DSDs have a sex).

Also it's more list 1:5000 and that includes DSDs where the person is unambiguously male or female at birth.

And that's ignoring the fact that it's highly, highly unlikely that a girl born with an enlarged clitoris (not a penis) will be mistaken for a boy and raised as one. Thankfully, doctors have stopped the butchery that saw such girls having their clitorises mutilated so that they could be (eurgh) "normal", but they were always girls.

dottiedodah · 10/06/2024 13:56

notgettinganyyounger Than you ,this means a lot to me .(love your user name ,I sadly am the same!)

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Noshowlomo · 10/06/2024 14:07

They’ve turned off comments on just that one post

PeonySeasons · 10/06/2024 14:11

Witchcraftandhokum · 10/06/2024 13:29

I think what they mean is trans-men can get Ovarian Cancer.

A woman who has had a hysterectomy / oopherectomy is a woman. Removal of the womb / ovaries doesn't turn us into men.

PeonySeasons · 10/06/2024 14:13

hydriotaphia · 10/06/2024 13:34

Yes, saying "anyone with ovaries" or "people with ovaries" would be a less confusing way of phrasing this. However, people do get offended even with that wording so I do feel for charities trying to get a public health message out.

Absolute tripe.

The word is women. Only women have ovaries.

Transmen know if they have their ovaries.

PeonySeasons · 10/06/2024 14:15

henlake7 · 10/06/2024 13:39

well, the post seems alot clearer! I dont think its that hard to understand.
Ive nursed several trans men in my job and TBH Ive never thought of any one of them as women....
they've all just looked and sounded like men....but with lady parts tucked away!

That's very dangerous on your part then - understanding the biological differences between the sexes are very very important in the medical profession, surely?

needsomewarmsunshine · 10/06/2024 16:06

hydriotaphia · 10/06/2024 13:38

@TheKeatingFive Yes, of course - but my point is you do get idiots who see a post that says "people with ovaries" and get all faux-offended over it.

The faux anything can fuck right off.

Aperolschitts · 10/06/2024 16:17

This question on the membership form for Ovacome, an ovarian cancer charity, wound me up too. As an ovarian cancer sufferer, I don't want to be lumped in with blokes thanks very much. What possible purpose would there be to the results anyway?

Men can get Ovarian Cancer !
maddiemookins16mum · 10/06/2024 16:22

Men don’t have ovaries and can’t have babies, end of.

maddening · 10/06/2024 16:22

hydriotaphia · 10/06/2024 13:34

Yes, saying "anyone with ovaries" or "people with ovaries" would be a less confusing way of phrasing this. However, people do get offended even with that wording so I do feel for charities trying to get a public health message out.

This is confusing to people with limited understanding or with limited English language - and based on the census there are more of them than trans identified women - so women works better and you can always include a reminder at the end such as "and this includes trans men and non binary women who have retained their ovaries"

DonttouchthatLarry · 10/06/2024 16:24

Surely everybody, no matter how they identify, realises that if they are in possession of a particular organ they can get cancer of that organ? Cancer doesn't know your pronouns. I know that I will never, ever get cancer of the testicles because I'm a woman and I don't have any.

DogInATent · 10/06/2024 16:26

Well... it has happened once..

Ovarian Cancer in a Man?
A 72-year-old man presented with left testicular swelling of 2 months' duration. Microscopic examination of tissue from left orchiectomy showed an intratesticular serous papillary cystic tumor with borderline malignancy felt to be histologically identical to the commonly encountered borderline papillary serous tumor of the ovary.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1941439011700629

Cattenberg · 10/06/2024 16:26

Not everyone is aware that men can get breast cancer. Let’s not confuse matters by claiming that men can get ovarian cancer.

MrsSunshine2b · 10/06/2024 16:30

Trans-men and some intersex men can get ovarian cancer. In the same way, trans-women can't get ovarian cancer and intersex women without ovaries, or women who have had their ovaries removed, can't get ovarian cancer.

Less controversial would be "people with ovaries can get ovarian cancer." I don't really see why it would concern someone going through ovarian cancer what gender other people with ovarian cancer identify as. It sounds like you have much bigger things to worry about anyway.

AstonMartha · 10/06/2024 16:34

MrsSunshine2b · 10/06/2024 16:30

Trans-men and some intersex men can get ovarian cancer. In the same way, trans-women can't get ovarian cancer and intersex women without ovaries, or women who have had their ovaries removed, can't get ovarian cancer.

Less controversial would be "people with ovaries can get ovarian cancer." I don't really see why it would concern someone going through ovarian cancer what gender other people with ovarian cancer identify as. It sounds like you have much bigger things to worry about anyway.

What an absolutely twatty statement. You don’t get to tell op what to be offended by.

Spoken like someone who has absolutely no clue!

curious79 · 10/06/2024 16:38

MagnetCarHair · 10/06/2024 13:32

I'm sorry, op. It must be distressing to be live with the riskiest of cancers and then see it dressed up in the language of gender nonsense.

This!!!!
so stupid. I am BRCA1, watched my mum die of it. Keep this shit away from me

TheKeatingFive · 10/06/2024 16:39

DogInATent · 10/06/2024 16:26

Well... it has happened once..

Ovarian Cancer in a Man?
A 72-year-old man presented with left testicular swelling of 2 months' duration. Microscopic examination of tissue from left orchiectomy showed an intratesticular serous papillary cystic tumor with borderline malignancy felt to be histologically identical to the commonly encountered borderline papillary serous tumor of the ovary.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1941439011700629

That doesn't appear to be ovarian cancer however. Which makes sense given that he hasn't got ovaries.

MrsSunshine2b · 10/06/2024 16:43

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AstonMartha · 10/06/2024 16:46

@MrsSunshine2b you might want to consider a name change as it doesn’t really reflect your personality.

StealthSpinach · 10/06/2024 16:47

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How spectacularly rude.

MrsSunshine2b · 10/06/2024 16:49

AstonMartha · 10/06/2024 16:46

@MrsSunshine2b you might want to consider a name change as it doesn’t really reflect your personality.

I'm not the one going round having a pity party because some people I don't know have cancer whilst identifying as a different gender to me. Seems I'm not the storm cloud around here. Pretty gross to gatekeep cancer.

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