Men can get Ovarian Cancer !

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I mean WTAF? (Source Telegraph) Ovarian Cancer Action has actually stated this.Would be bad enough generally ,but I am undergoing Treatment for this ATM, and just think it sounds ludicrous .Have been in touch with them before now and they seemed quite helpful .Feel a bit affronted ! AIBU they can say what they think,YANBU They should stick to the facts and not upset people already ill?

Some people who get ovarian cancer are women. Some are men or non-binary.

This is just nonsense though and we really need to push back against such anti-science.

ALL people who get ovarian cancer are women. That is all.

Which types of men get ovarian cancer?

The reason I hate some of the “inclusive” language used in healthcare, is that it isn’t really inclusive at all. It’s vague and confusing when it needs to be clear and concise. People with learning difficulties and people aren’t fluent in English are particularly vulnerable.

Having worked with ESOL students, I can tell you that many of them emigrated to the UK from developing countries as adults, often due to war. As a consequence, many of them (especially the women) had little formal education growing up and have low levels of literacy in their first language, let alone English.

There's nothing misogynistic about respecting the rights of transmen to be who they are.

They are biological women and there's nothing you or they can do to change that. When it comes to a cancer like ovarian cancer, sex is what matters. Whatever these women 'feel' themselves to be is totally immaterial to that.

These women are just 'collateral damage' to the Gender Ideologists. Nothing matters except the cult. Women, girls, immigrants, people with English as a second language, no one. No one and nothing matters more than the misogynistic Gender Ideology cult. Nothing at all. Everything is acceptable collateral damage, including deaths. It's Jonestownian.

An example of inclusivity: producing a leaflet aimed specifically at the small minority of breast cancer sufferers who are male, to help them understand and come to terms with their rare diagnosis and feel less isolated.

The gender ideology equivalent would be to give all breast cancer sufferers the leaflet written for men. Then to call any woman who objects a “bigot” and ban her from her breast cancer support group.

Well this is it. There is not a single, solitary thought given to anyone else who might be affected by this language. Like only one tiny category of people matter. It's just extraordinary

Nrtft but incidence of DSDs is 0.018% of live births.

I suspect its a lot about educating professionals to consider ovarian cancer as well. My (CIS female) friend was fobbed off and told her symptoms were IBS for years. By the time she was diagnosed it was too late. I suspect if she had been outwardly presenting as male she might not even have got the diagnosis.

Putting aside the completely irrelevant prefix to female, whether your friend is male presenting or is not the issue with lack of female related care. Women are listened to and cared for less because the whole history of medical care and researched is based on male physiology. Why do you believe that a male presenting woman is less likely to have their medical needs listened to less than other women?

Oh OP I wish you the best possible outcome for your treatment xxx

YANBU - its grotesquely offensive isn’t it?

and yes my family have BRCA1 and I have been told by my employers counselling (EAP) that if I identify as a man i will avoid dying from the ovarian & breast cancer plaguing the females in my family. It started with school telling my son it was possible to identify out of our particular cancer and then I was gobsmacked to find any counsellor I sought out felt they had to parrot this stance rather than support me in the distress it caused me. When I said I didn’t know who I was anymore after surgical menopause and double mastectomy and losing my mum & sister the response was whether I’d considered I might now be a man?

seems mental health professionals agree with SuzyEddie Izzard who said post menopausal women are just middle aged men

Well, were Izzard female, izzard would be well past menopause so that makes him a middle aged man. Hoisted by his own petard.

When I said I didn’t know who I was anymore after surgical menopause and double mastectomy and losing my mum & sister the response was whether I’d considered I might now be a man?

Whaaaaaa? That is harmful (as well as outright offensive). What awful care you had @LeFromage - so sorry. I hope you found better counsellors and health care professionals.

Sorry I just don't understand your response.

Your friend wouldn't be diagnosed if...wearing trousers and a suit jacket? Are you quite sure?

Some people who get ovarian cancer are women. Some are men or non-binary.

All are female. A tiny minority are females who wish they weren't female. So they call themselves men which means male, or non-binary, which doesn't really make sense. But they're still female.

No op I know exactly what you mean. Some people who identify as men may get ovarian cancer but that doesn’t mean “men get ovarian cancer “ which is simply not true. It’s political correctness gone mad.

Yes. The fact that biological men who insist they can change sex must be believed Vs. biological women who insist men can't change sex must be ignored - makes it perfectly obvious that Male Privilege still must be obeyed (even if he calls himself Sabrina).

Because that is the overwhelming evidence from the research data on trans men in a gynecologic cancer setting. It's a hot topic in cancer research at the moment as there is concern that some of the hormone treatments may be contributing to rates of ovarian and endometrial cancer in trans men who don't undergo gynae surgery. The problem for researchers in confirming the correlation at the moment is that the sample sizes are very small from which to collect data, so it's partially being extrapolated from data from PCOS and perimenopausal women.

In addition, across the board 75% of ovarian cancer cases are diagnosed in their late stages. Given the significantly lower attendance rates of trans men and reproductive health appointments in general, the issue for oncologists is that if and when they finally do present with symptoms it's too late.

Maybe read the research before attacking random strangers on the internet? I can provide links if you are actually interested in learning more about this issue.

Given the significantly lower attendance rates of trans men and reproductive health appointments in general, the issue for oncologists is that if and when they finally do present with symptoms it's too late.

With all due respect, that is a choice of male presenting women. They are aware of their female biology and choose to ignore it for their gender beliefs. The whole medical community cannot change language to reteach women that they’re actually women, and should seek care based on their sex that they already know they’re a part of. The same medical community are not reminding trans women they need prostate exams or to check their testicles for lumps. Female healthcare is separate from male based on sex alone, because in humans there are only the two and you’re either one or the other despite how you present.

If someone is choosing to live by a personal gender ideology, the onus is on them to seek correct medical care if and when needed, not for the world to start saying ‘men can get ovarian cancer too’. They cannot.

If someone is choosing to live by a personal gender ideology, the onus is on them to seek correct medical care if and when needed, not for the world to start saying ‘men can get ovarian cancer too’. They cannot.

And ultimately, all this points to are the problems that we store up when we pretend that women can be some class of a man.

They cannot. They are women. Ignoring reality is never a good strategy.

Lefromage Thank you .Yes its deeply upsetting for you .I despair at these "professionals"! Please can we have some sort of sensible workshops again and reclaim our long lost status as Women. WTAF is going on? (Presumably Angelina Jolie doesnt"present as a man?!!" Yet she had surgery similar to your own. Once again thank you for your message to me .(2 out of 6 chemo sessions down 4 to go!) No family history for me as far as I know ,just shit luck!

I don't understand how doctors are allowed to give out cross-sex hormones (especially to supposedly treat a mental health condition) when there is no evidence that they are safe. It seems highly likely that giving women high amounts of testosterone is going to result in significant health problems, including cancer.

They're wrong. Men don't have ovaries. Basic stuff, should be corrected in the interests of transparent public health information.

Leaflets and promotions targeting trans men don't replace campaigns that target cis women.
The NHS has a range of campaigns that target minority groups who find accessing services difficult for a range of reasons - including people with little English or low literacy levels as mentioned up thread.
This is not being done to exclude anyone, but to include as many as possible.

Please don’t use the term “cis” when you simply mean “woman.”

Women are not a subset of our sex.