AGAIN! Something must be done

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Yes I know, another XL bulky thread. But seriously, this breed is like a mine field, randomly killing owners all over. You never know when/where it will happen next.

I truly can't wrap my head around people like this woman - may she rest in peace - who are all over the internet defending these KILLERS. They all think theirs is different, theirs would never kill, theirs is a big softy.

Is it time to do something more serious? The legislation brought in doesn't seem to have stopped deaths, although at least it does appear to be the owners (who are stupid enough to keep them) who are dying now instead of innocent members of the public.

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/xl-bully-owner-celebrating-birthday-mauled-death-videos-defending-breed/

Maybe I have used amputation and docking as to mean the same thing, apologises if they are not.

Yes it was for medical reasons, “happy tail”, as our boxer had badly damaged his through excessive wagging.

Why difference does it matter if we say the breed is "bad"?
Makes fuck all difference to the dogs how we refer to them.
Why is the wording relevant?
THEY ARE KILLING PEOPLE

And that's absolutely the right thing to do for your dog, done in his best interests and to keep him safe and healthy.

Fucknuts who do it for cosmetic/status reasons, are just further demonstrating how little they understand about dogs and how unsuited they are to own one!

Inbred, like their owners.

The thing here is that there are loads of crap dog owners who treat their "fur babies" like a baby or child replacement. Fortunately though, 99% of the time this just translates to them shitting on the carpet or yapping at passers by in the street and being generally annoying. Crap owners of these monstrosities though is a different matter. They are not and are incapable of being, a domesticated pet.

They are akin to a wild animal and should be treated as such, not asleep on your sofa 😑

I agree. Plus any dog can be in pain, shocked/anxious, ill, become deaf/blind , and act differently to their normal character, as a result. There was a sad thread recently about a much loved Jack Russell, who became suddenly aggressive, due to a brain tumour. The problem is much bigger, when the dog is built like a killing machine. The breed has to go. I posted yesterday regarding a man killed by an XL, last year, on a neighbouring estate. He was walking his own small dog. I'm a dog lover, but sadly the risks are too great.

That is really disgusting. She was someone's child too. And yes she may have been misguided to keep a dangerous breed but she didn't deserve to die so horrifically and her parents don't deserve the heart ache they must be going through now.
So while I agree whole heartedly with the sentiment on this thread around the danger of keeping of such breeds, please remember that she was a 23 year old woman with her whole life ahead of her and she was someone's daughter.
She is not even buried yet- have some compassion.

I abhor them.

Round them up and PTS humanely.

Agree.

The tone and sort of language being used to crow about this is exactly the sort of language I'd expect to hear from some of the lesser educated owners of these dogs regarding those who want to see them banned. 2 sides of the same coin.

Apparently the neighbours of this woman (who had been in the house for a year) are saying they never saw her walking the dogs. And she had four of them!

We're considering buying one small dog this summer - they are so expensive and time consuming. How on earth could she afford to keep four?! Surely dogs like that would need loads of exercise and walking..

I read that up to half of all XL bullies are descended from an American Dog called Killer Kimbo, who has a history of violent offspring.

I read about the breeding line too, but thought it was actually most of them. As far as I can see they are all bred from a line which was chosen for aggression. And needs to be ended. I am usually totally against ending dog breeds because human intervention has fucked them up, preferring to try and undo the damage (like reversing the extreme flat faces of pugs by introducing controlled cross breeding). However, this breed was made for one thing only and needs to be wiped out.

I'd argue that pets are a huge financial strain on the poor actually. And those with mobility issues are more likely to struggle to keep up with the daily exercise requirements. In fact keeping a pet is questioned when applying for certain benefits probably because (unfairly and wrongly) it is assumed you must be a good pet owner so ARE mobile enough to get out and about and not depressed enough not to care about something other than yourself that requires significant time, focus and attention.

I think obviously the blind, those needing one for therapy etc should be able to get a doctors certificate to ascertain the benefits to mental health and well-being. But that's it.

One thing for certain is no large breeds should be allowed in social housing. I'd like to see a ban with an accompanying fine on that tomorrow.

I myself am dirt poor, but I live the consequences of not being able to access green spaces because one of these dogs is running around off-lead on the green, and having to cross over the street in fear or being unable to access the stairway when seeing teens and so called adults walking with these things which they clearly can't control.

Totally agree but it is the neighbours that i feel for. Can you imagine the fear you must have every time you open your front door or turn the corner onto your street, or how poor children that can't play in their own back gardens feel because one of these lives next door. The woman that was killed by this pack said she didn't give a fuck what anyone else felt about her dogs. She made her choices.

Totally agree.

So many people willing to spend £££ on expensive dog crap and even designer collar and leads all for Instagram pictures, but their dogs are basically feral. Zero recall and highly aggressive. But don't you dare say a wrong word about their "fur baby".

I completely agree, I think I just get my back up sometimes as we had so many snide comments and dirty looks after he had it done. Sorry. 🙈

My neighbour has 2 of them. The mother is really aggressive. It is always muzzled when out but I would be terrified of it ran out the door.
I am an absolute dog lover and have owned different breeds but these dogs scare me!

I fear i might sound silly saying this and not get my point across ..

But i feel like , in the majority , certain types of people own these dogs . For example , I’ve never known an older couple own one ( the type to treat a dog like their child ) , but i see a lot of people that own them are the type that have them , have them as a “trophy” type dog … they look scary , they’re a big scary dog …. Men who would rough play with them , families who would let the children climb all over them and be proud of that fact then wonder why they attack.

Im not saying everyone who owns them is like this - but then not all of them attack.

I feel like they are a breed that are strong , that have an attack nature within them … and if they aren’t treated correctly they’re going to attack. If someone is rough playing with them and getting them to growl and be rough then they’re going to think it’s ok . I mean chihuahuas are aggressive by nature I think and I know someone who has had behaviourists work with them - but the thing is an attack my a chihuahua isn’t going to have the same outcome as an attack by a very powerful dog.

I don’t think they should be put down ( as a breed ) but they need to be in the right place , they have too much strength. I would never have one with a child.

I have a lab , he is so lovely and calm . But he’s still a big dog . I never let my children climb all over him ( i have no doubt he would let them and just lay there ) but if something made him feel threatened what’s to say he wouldn’t bite to defend himself ? Dont risk it .

She was viciously supportive of them online, telling people she doesn't give a fuck what they think, doesn't give a fuck if they're scared, doesn't give a fuck if they don't want to live near one. Honestly why should I give a fuck she got hers? The reason she's dead is because she insisted on keeping a banned breed, the reason she doesn't have the whole of her life ahead of her was because she "didn't give a fuck". So please do tell me why I should give a fuck?

Not always. Saying it's down to ownership totally dismisses the inate danger and violence of this breed.

Whether attacks are an accumulation of aggression or random dog instinct, at the end of the day, they're dangerous dogs and have no place in society.

I do agree about compassion, however this woman clearly knew the risks and made it clear that she "doesn't give a fuck". She showed a complete disregard for her own safety but it's not fair to pass that disregard onto other innocent people who could have been killed instead.

They aren't banned in Northern Ireland either. Awful incident in our street a few months ago when one got out and jumped a garden wall and attacked a spaniel. Group of men had to hit it with a pole to get it off the smaller dog, then one of them had to be taken to hospital for bite injuries. I mean, all things considered, they are just an animal welfare disaster, including for the bullies themselves which should never have been created. To me, you might as well keep a lion in your backyard and expect it never to get loose.

A dog with cropped ears is there as a status dog and nothing else.

It did seem that she ‘loved’ the dog in her own way but if she was cruel and idiotic enough to crop its ears then it’s obvious that she wasn’t the best owner and definitely shouldn’t have had such a strong breed.

I don’t think this proves that this breed is anymore dangerous than other string breeds.
What it does prove is that there needs to be stricter rules on dog ownership, especially with breeds that are so powerful.

Whilst of course I wish it didn't happen to anyone, she was clearly playing with fire, she was arrogant and naive. Her and her partner both described the dogs as their babies and even son (yuck). I suspect they took zero steps to put boundaries in place and likely didn't respect the dogs space.

Having said that, I'm sure many respectful owners are at equal risk. These dogs are deadly and I struggle to sympathise with owners to be honest. They know what they're risking.

"I'd argue that pets are a huge financial strain on the poor actually. And those with mobility issues are more likely to struggle to keep up with the daily exercise requirements. In fact keeping a pet is questioned when applying for certain benefits probably because (unfairly and wrongly) it is assumed you must be a good pet owner so ARE mobile enough to get out and about and not depressed enough not to care about something other than yourself that requires significant time, focus and attention."

Yes, which is why I said dog ownership can greatly improve those issues for some owners.

A lifetime ago, my dog was the only thing that kept me from isolating myself and having a breakdown. I HAD to get out, get dressed, eat, go to the shops, take her to the vet etc.

A blanket "let's only allow wannabe posh people to have pets" is totally unrealistic (I know you know this btw and it's just chucking ideas around) and will probably only make a lot of social issues worse.

First of all in case anyone misreads. I am against XL Bullies being kept by anyone.

I really think the debate as is isn’t helping though as people continue to argue/focus on the they’re aggressive dogs with shitty owners line, without looking at the nuances.

While they are bred to be aggressive, oversized and with a jaw configuration that gives them a killer bite, they’re also dogs with a very strong natural instinct to be part of a pack, be good and please. This is why they are dangerous. People see their good side and literally can’t believe their dog could do anything bad. It’s unconscionable that people breeds these dogs with such fucked up mentalities and I’d hate to be in an XL’s head.

When the rules came in, someone tied one up to a lamppost in the middle of nowhere near me and left it. He was found crying, dehydrated and desperate to win friends after his ordeal.

Lots of videos were posted on our local pages of this poor dog being very sweet. I was shocked at the amount of normally sane villagers who were taken by his plight and his big soft eyes and wanted to take him in. These are not shitty people or bad owners.

He now lives in the village, registered and muzzled and seems a lovely boy when I see him out. However he’s in a house with two kids and my God, I fear the day if his bad instincts outweigh his good. The kindest thing would have been to put him to sleep and for everyone to stay safe.

Anyway I think what I am saying in a longwinded way is that I think a lot of XLs will try their best to be good and a lot of owners are experienced and well meaning dog lovers trying to “save” dogs from shitty owners . I still don’t think they’re safe dogs for anyone to have in their home and this should form part of the debate.

Do what you want, I'm not responsible for your conscious. If you are comfortable with such disgusting thoughts then I'm certainly not going to be able to change your mind.
It is disgusting though.