AGAIN! Something must be done

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Yes I know, another XL bulky thread. But seriously, this breed is like a mine field, randomly killing owners all over. You never know when/where it will happen next.

I truly can't wrap my head around people like this woman - may she rest in peace - who are all over the internet defending these KILLERS. They all think theirs is different, theirs would never kill, theirs is a big softy.

Is it time to do something more serious? The legislation brought in doesn't seem to have stopped deaths, although at least it does appear to be the owners (who are stupid enough to keep them) who are dying now instead of innocent members of the public.

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/xl-bully-owner-celebrating-birthday-mauled-death-videos-defending-breed/

Assuming there was one other adult and a child, with two more horses between them, I would say they probably did exactly the right thing.

Couldn't leave small child with two other horses. Didn't want child or other horses near dog to make things worse, particularly when the rider was doing such a grand job of controlling her horse in a very difficult situation. Indeed, taking the other horses anywhere near would probably have resulted in all of them bolting.

Shame the horse didn't sort the dog out once and for all really, but could have ended up a much worse situation.

And what use would another adult be in this case.At least it is videotaped for proof.
Damn right to be making a huge public fuss about it.
As for a chav owning XL being responsible, I take it you have forgotten about the idiot owner of the XL in London who’s dog attacked a police horse and said idiot owner claimed it wasn’t his fault as the dog felt intimidated.
Its not about attention and likes by filming, the dog went for the horse, there is now a public record, others who have had incidents with this dog and owner can come forward if there are any, and others will be made aware of the owner and dog.
Oh and it’s another nail in the coffin for the pitbull XL bully apologists who claim the breed is being bullied.

It’s sensible to film it. That could have become much worse.

Another adult getting involved would ah e only risked the extra adult getting harmed.

Without video Evidence nothing is done or it’s explained away as a minor incident. This had the potential to be a disaster. Do you know how many times horse riders are berated because their horse scares a dog?

I don’t think it was an XL bully (looks like one of the pose ‘micro bullies’) in this particular case but a good example of someone who shouldn’t have a dog at all. I think the chance of public shaming might actually work on making dog owners, who are irresponsible, really think about what they are doing. Because nothing else is.

The dog could so easily have been kicked in the head,

Shame it wasn't.

Victim blaming at its finest. They shouldn't have been videoing, the adults should have been protecting the child, it's all for social media likes.

Fact is that if nob head owner had been doing what he should have done, keeping his chav-beast under control, there would be nothing to film in the first place!!

Absolutely absurd criticising the woman filming. Even if she put down the phone her child would still have been upset and crying at the horrific sight in front of her! And she wasn’t ignoring her child either - you can hear her reassuring them. You can hold a phone and record and deal with your child too. It’s not one or the other. I’m sure once she put the phone down completely after her short filming, she could have hugged the child or whatever they needed.

What other “useful” thing could she have been doing in that moment ? It was the owners responsibility to get a hold of the dog. It probably wasn’t safe for her the others to get into the thick of it so they had to stand at a safe distance.

The only other thing she could’ve done is call the police but they’d take a while to get there so it’s better she records the evidence for them first as the man and his dog would be gone by the time they arrive.

And I’m not sure if the fact the dog wasn’t kicked in the head is a good thing. On one hand it could have led to an escalation in its aggressive behaviour and then hurt the horse /rider which would be awful, but OTOH maybe it would have taught the dog a lesson since it’s “learning” and sometimes dogs like these just understand brute force.

We need more green spaces which insist dogs must be leashed at all times to make it safer for horses, and even pedestrians/joggers because not all dogs are well behaved or good natured so we can’t leave it to the owners discretion clearly.

I'd have thought the horse would have easily ended the dog, but I have no experience of horses.

There was 1other adult with her horse, and 2children with a pony each. The person videoing couldnt exactly leave 2 children and 3 ponies to go and "help". They did the best thing by staying out of the way.

The horse and rider were pretty bloody amazing, and yes the horse could easily have killed the dog had it landed a kick or trampled on it.

I can't quite believe this spin, let alone that you're actually being ernest.

Really? The mother should have put down the phone, so that in the event of either the horse or themselves being harmed by a dog with zero recall, training, or ability to stop attacking, they would only have their word against his as to what happened?

Stuff that. In any event, I'm sure she would have put it down had the dog directly come for the child.

Thankfully this man and his animal were filmed and the locals, including those with children in that area and neighbours living next to him (pity them) know that this dog owner has no control over his animal. They can thus strive to avoid him. If he's out in a public area with his dog unleashed again and there's an incident someone can contact the police who now, thankfully, have ample proof that the owner is irresponsible and incautious and can confiscate the dog if necessary.

A horse is a big powerful animal. The rider prevented that dog being kicked or trampled to death, the dog owner should actually be grateful that she had such great control of the horse.

A jogger, cyclist or child on foot would have had no chance with that dog. You can clearly see a grown man has difficulty managing him.

I can't believe you think the parents response to the child's distress is just clickbait material.

Presumably if the horse had landed a kick it would have been 'incidental' rather than due to the horse attacking back?
I'm saying that because the horse appeared to be in a state of alarm/panic rather than behaving aggressively in retaliation to the dog attack.
(As I said previously I am not experienced or knowledgeable when it comes to horses)

A horse is a big powerful animal. The rider prevented that dog being kicked or trampled to death, the dog owner should actually be grateful that she had such great control of the horse
I'd have made sure the horse ('accidentally') killed the dog and at least broke the owners legs.

Given how hard it is to get the police to act (and, in fairness, possibly for the police to act within the law) after a dog vs horse incident, I’d have damn well been filming it too.

It’s not about creating drama - it’s about proving to the police that the incident happened, was serious, and involved that specific dog / owner.

Loose, aggressive dogs are an absolute nightmare these days. I mostly stay on private hacking land, and still have to deal with them occasionally. Public places are full of them.

That horse did a very good job of keeping the dog relatively neutralised - and it was very restrained not to kick it into the middle of next week.

I'm not sure if this has been posted elsewhere, but today a baby was killed by a dog "the family pet".
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c255qyjqnqro

What a completely unnecessary tragedy 😣 the adults around this baby failed and the child paid the price.

I wouldn’t be surprised if the dog has shown signs of aggression/discomfort when they first brought their baby home but the owners chose to ignore it. You get so many threads on here with people asking what to do with their dog who doesn’t like their newborn 🙄

@beergiggles horses are prey animals, and prone to "flight" rather than "fight". It was trying with every ounce of its being, to listen to its rider and not flee.

The dog is lucky it didn't get kicked accidentally or trampled.

That said, there are many horses that would have chosen to kick out, I have one myself. We don't let the dogs in his field as he will go for them and would almost certainly have killed this dog had he contained himself enough to not flee.

This is incredibly sad.

i am not surprised to see the pro XL bully people already complaining on social media that the breed has been released yet. All with the ‘yeah the media don’t care cause it’s not an XL bully’

Shows the lack of critical thinking. XL bully attacks and deaths became a big news story because there were so many of them. Let’s assume this is a Doberman. There’s been one Doberman death in the UK in the last 40 years. And that was because it bit the owner and the bite got infected. It’s not going to lead to the same coverage or ban, unless deaths by Doberman massively increase over the next year. But XL supporters don’t want to hear this. They want to pretend it’s a conspiracy. And they will all shit their pants if it turns out to be a bully breed just not an XL one. They seem to have forgotten that it’s not all bully breeds that are banned. So when the article says it’s not a banned breed it could still be a bully breed.

A baby should Never left alone with a dog. personally I don’t think babies should even be near enough for a dog to grab them. A dog could grab and kill a baby in seconds before the adults can react.

And nobody is denying that all dogs can pose a danger. XL bully supporters forget that sensible people know this. These XL bully supports seem to think the rest of the world thinks only XL bully’s attack people.

The woman on the horse managed the situation incredibly well, the horse was quite amazing too.

I'm saying the woman on a horse with a phone had two children with her on ponies. If I were her I would have been concentrating on those two children not filming. If one of the ponies had been spooked and thrown the child I'd be mortified. Instead of filming she perhaps should have been giving her full attention to the distressed child and even encouraging the children to turn their horses round and move further away. But nope. The child is now apparently fearful of getting back on their pony.

I used to ride, sitting on a horse watching a dog bounce at another horse would not have caused distress, unless perhaps my own horse was being skittish. That would cause enough distress to a child that they may not want to get back on a horse. So I wonder what was going on that is not being filmed?

The man with the dog should be grateful the rider had a bomb proof horse and she had control of it.

Thank you for explaining.
It's a good thing horse riders are responsible people who dont let their animals run riot.
I'm not sure I'd have been able to contain myself, I'd make sure my horse burst that dog like a football and then broke every bone in the owners body.
(Dont worry, they no longer let me out of the locked ward)

You do not turn your horse around and move away from a dog attack, even if that attack is currently on another horse.

That is the worst thing you can do - the dog is likely to turn its attention to the moving animal, and give chase. The pony (in this case, ponies) would probably have tried to run away from it. That would have created a much more dangerous situation for everyone.

Seriously, if you don’t have experience of managing dog attacks against horses, you really shouldn’t be criticising how this was handled.

BBC News - Police seize two XL bullies after woman attacked
www.bbc.com/news/articles/cxrr2qyr1peo

Indeed, again

The woman and a dog were attacked by two dogs in St Neots, Cambridgeshire, on Saturday, police said.

Apparently these were unregistered XL bullies. It seems like they maybe went for the lady's dog. At least the police have now confiscated them although there appears to have been a delay in them doing that if I read correctly.

I thought all dog owners had to have been registered now.

They don't care, seemingly. No surprises

Sorry should have said all XL Bully dog owners. What a joke, so much for legislation. Those who don't care, won't.

Yeah I know what you meant, for sure no worries.

One owner visits a neighbor with theirs unmuzzled and even in my car driving past my blood went cold

Fear for my cat, neighbors cats and even neighbors dogs and kids

Pitbull type dog attack yesterday, June 28th

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ced3wjvzx2lo
A woman has been injured in an attack by an XL bully in the street, police have said.
Greater Manchester Police said they received "several reports" that a dog was "dangerously out of control" and attacking people on Gladstone Road, Eccles, at about 21:00 BST on Friday.
The force said local officers and members of the public "were unable to regain control of the dog” and it was "destroyed at the scene" after specialist officers were unable to restrain it.
A representative added that the woman was "still receiving treatment for her injuries", while two men were arrested for confronting officers.

@beergiggles awful, what also annoyed me is reading how the owner begged the police not to shoot his dog.

He had an out of control dog that could easily have killed someone and he is pleading for its life. We need to start locking these people up.