AGAIN! Something must be done

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Yes I know, another XL bulky thread. But seriously, this breed is like a mine field, randomly killing owners all over. You never know when/where it will happen next.

I truly can't wrap my head around people like this woman - may she rest in peace - who are all over the internet defending these KILLERS. They all think theirs is different, theirs would never kill, theirs is a big softy.

Is it time to do something more serious? The legislation brought in doesn't seem to have stopped deaths, although at least it does appear to be the owners (who are stupid enough to keep them) who are dying now instead of innocent members of the public.

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/xl-bully-owner-celebrating-birthday-mauled-death-videos-defending-breed/

I’m a huge dog lover and have owned rescue dogs with dodgy backgrounds in the past but I agree wholeheartedly with everyone saying that this breed is a massive threat and that more needs to be done.

Before it was the law to wear a seatbelt, many people thought bringing in such a law would be too nanny state but it has saved literally millions of people. Sometimes you need to protect people and their innocent children against themselves.

Because someone has to clear up the mess? Would you be happy to do that?

That's exactly what I thought when I saw the video. This young woman clearly had no idea about responsible dog ownership and sadly, they are always the ones who want to own the most challenging and dominant breeds. She's pulling him around like a toy. He shouldn't be made to stand on his back legs for such a long time.

I imagine she was totally oblivious to any subtle signs from the dog that he was stressed or nervous, or about to get aggressive.

And what about the owners of this breed who are responsible and are complying fully with the new rules? Their dogs will be the ones who are well behaved, correctly trained and cared for, relaxed and properly socialised and yet people are suggesting culling them too?

I’ve added some links to the YouTube of a dog walker who owns an XL Bully who is all of the above which those advocating for further action may want to watch. It’s not the XL Bully who is poorly behaved with no correction from its owner.

https://youtube.com/shorts/7ke37on6SIY?si=tgUDJXXrr6MYtudX

https://youtube.com/shorts/0GUfzqmI-Ac?si=LLTc0cNIAWd-rw_I

@Megifer A lifetime ago, my dog was the only thing that kept me from isolating myself and having a breakdown. I HAD to get out, get dressed, eat, go to the shops, take her to the vet etc

I'm genuinely sorry you suffered that pain and yes, maybe I am being a bit glib and dismissive. I can see what you mean. I retract that statement. It was mean of me.

I do still think something has to be done to limit the amount of large breeds in social housing/spaces however as it is antisocial and potentially dangerous to people who can least afford to up and move out of the way of neighbours who have little regard for them/their children's safety

What would you propose?

Appreciate that thank you☺️

I don't have an answer tbh. I know its not making dog ownership the sole privilege of the rich though.

Yes something perhaps a bit more nuanced😂

I find this issue a bit ridiculous to be honest.

She owed 4 dogs. 2 XL bullies and 2 staffer types. I don’t know if she had a partner but that’s a lot of dog for 2 people never mind a woman on her own

The video is just ridiculous. These were dogs. And she is forcing them to dance while telling people, who think they are violent, to fuck off.

An animal lover? Well all 4 dogs are now dead. Is that love? I would love to know how she ended up with dogs with cropped ears. I bet it’s unlikely she rescued them.

And to top off her family have done a balloon release. Are they all animals lovers too?

I can’t see where her (or their) actions are that of animal lovers?

^^^ Exactly.

I read there was a lot more to this than the dogs turning- kept inside, no exercise, small house etc

Neither video proves anything about the dog. These dogs switch.

The owner is behaving horribly in the second video and I don't like the way the dog is fixated on the two women. Yes he's muzzled but I don't see encouragement of good behaviour.

Sorry but I have to say I find this very disrespectful to this poor girl and her family. While I do think she must have been very naive she didn’t deserve what happened to her. These dogs should 100% be banned to protect owners like this woman as well.

Horrible comment. Regardless of this girls actions you don’t know her and have no idea what level of education she has etc. I’m sure she trusted the dogs and never imagined that they would attack her. She was only 23. How can you not have some empathy ?

You may want to watch a few more. To be honest, that was just one example of one of these dogs who has been raised and trained correctly. There are many others out there that do not (and never did IMO) deserve to be demonised the way they have been.

The reality is most dog breeds when you go back through history were bred for a purpose, some form of work. If owners fail to properly exercise their dogs physically and mentally, socialise/environmentalise them sufficiently, teach them to have a off switch etc, then virtually any dog breed and any individual dog can become troubled, begin to misbehave and could ultimately ‘turn’.

The government, with the support of our stellar media industry, have whipped up a frenzied smear campaign. Whilst everyone focuses on this issue, they are distracted from all the other nonsense going on that those in power are getting away with.

And just to be clear, the dog isn’t fixated on the two women. It’s looking at the little dog that is being allowed to repeatedly bark and yap by the female owner without being corrected.

But you’re right, the XL Bully’s owner is the one behaving poorly….

I see this argument all the time. Yeah any dog can, though bad upbringing, become reactive and bite people. But 1. Some dogs are more prone to snapping than others. And 2. Only some dogs, like the Bully XLs, are capable of mauling someone to death. No one is being killed by whippets and spaniels.

Yes she was just a young girl

The government, with the support of our stellar media industry, have whipped up a frenzied smear campaign.

I daresay that's what this poor deceased young woman thought too.

She posted in February about her XL rushing to the door hyper excited so she couldn't get a lead on him.

In that situation, if she came home after celebrating , after 11.30pm maybe more noisy than usual , and the dog/s reacted , what;s to stop it getting out ?
She'd have no control and a large , badly trained dog is on the streets .
Anyone walking home , maybe someone out with their own dog.
Traffic on the road .
All at risk.

It is a tragic case but it does show if you keep large dogs , in a large group , dance with them , call them your son it;s a recipe for disaster .

Some XL Bullies are huge , there are USA sites where the dogs are hideous.

@mossylog of course some dogs are more capable of causing more serious injuries/killing due to their size and their musculature, but there are plenty of examples of smaller breeds who have given people permanent scars or maimed people or other animals.

As I said, if you look back at the majority of dog breeds, most had jobs to do. It could be hunting, ratting, shepherding, guarding, tracking etc, but those breeds over many many years have been honed to specialise in the tendencies and traits needed to excel at those activities. Then stupid, greedy breeders come along and start corrupting the breed standard, fuelled by uneducated owners who have no understanding of the nature of the dog they are buying and what they need to become happy, well rounded dogs. And we’re all shocked at the outcome?

I own 3 large dogs. 2 are Belgian Malinois, a breed used by special forces, capable of parcouring vertically up the side of a building and defending rhino from poachers. They are far from ideal house pets. My other is a Turkish Kangal, a breed used to protect sheep in the mountains from wolves and bears, with a more powerful bite force than a lion.

I know what I have and it’s my responsibility to the dogs themselves, to me and my DH who live in the house with them, to my family and friends who regularly interact with the dogs, and to any other people or animals who may cross paths with them, to ensure that the environment I provide gives them the fulfilment they need in all aspects of their life so that they remain healthy, happy and stable.

If all owners took their responsibilities seriously, we wouldn’t have half the issues we have today, with any dogs.

She wasn’t a girl. That’s hugely disrespectful. No matter how bad her choices were, she was a grown adult and made them herself.

Trying to infantilise her isn’t kind or respectful

But this is the whole issue with this breed, isn’t it? There are crap owners of all breeds, dogs cooped up with no training and exercise, sometimes mistreated on top. They’re not all killing their owners though, or causing life-changing injuries.

She must have endured a terrifying experience in her last moments and nobody deserves that.

She thought she knew better and she was proved horribly wrong.

Yes, they should all be PTS.

Combination of it being inbred too much, poor ownership - seems to be a ‘type’ of human that gets one of these and just the sheer power of these dogs. Any poorly bred/poorly managed terrier with prey drive could be vicious, but while very unpleasant is unlikely to be deadly before you wrestle is off, these things have so much power you don’t stand a chance

No sympathy with idiots who own these animals when it goes tits up, don't give a shit for the dogs or the owners getting hurt / killed.