AGAIN! Something must be done

[Singersong]

Yes I know, another XL bulky thread. But seriously, this breed is like a mine field, randomly killing owners all over. You never know when/where it will happen next.

I truly can't wrap my head around people like this woman - may she rest in peace - who are all over the internet defending these KILLERS. They all think theirs is different, theirs would never kill, theirs is a big softy.

Is it time to do something more serious? The legislation brought in doesn't seem to have stopped deaths, although at least it does appear to be the owners (who are stupid enough to keep them) who are dying now instead of innocent members of the public.

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/xl-bully-owner-celebrating-birthday-mauled-death-videos-defending-breed/

And once again owner of dog is more concerned about its welfare than that of the mauled woman. Police really need to stop apologising for having to shoot out of control dogs which are attached people. If it was a person with a machete it would be a whole different story.

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/xl-bully-shot-after-attacking-and-injuring-a-woman-in-manchester-13160980

Where does it say the owner was more concerned about the dog?

Id agree if the dog attacked someone destroying it was the only option, particularly if it was an XL bully, but I just don't see anywhere that the owner was more concerned about the dog?

Sky article 'A man can be heard pleading with the officers not to kill his dog.'

this was on a video.

It is a breed that by law needs a muzzle to be out in public, the owner had no recall and a woman is in hospital receiving treatment. Once again, if a person was running around laughing 'willy nilly' with a machete the local residents would fully expect a robust police response.

I read that bit. Not sure that necessarily means he was more concerned for the dog, i don't think anyone would want to see their dog shot in front of them?

Is it because he wasn't shouting "is the woman ok" instead?

Like I say I'm not arguing against the police response, I'm just not sure effectively making things up helps very much on either 'side'.

Unpopular opinion maybe - but the the XL bully ban didn't go far enough.

All should have been euthanised, no exceptions.

Part of the reason he was pleading for the life of his dog is that he sees the dog as equivalent to a human, so he is behaving as he would if it were his son or daughter who was about to be shot.
I expect that much of this belief is implicit or unconscious but it still steers people's behavior.
People fall in love with their dogs, they become emotionally attached to the dog. Often more than they would be to a human because it's easier to love the dog; the dog will never disagree with you it has no option but to fawn and placate you. With the exception of those breeds of dogs who have the capacity to easily overpower and kill humans, those dogs obviously should not be kept as pets but this does not stop people from falling in love with and them and losing any sense of Reason in regards to the animal.

dogs which worry or attack livestock can legally be shot by the farmer, why is it different for people? Dog owners need to understand the repercussions when their dog is out of control

What did he think was going to happen? When a dog attacks & puts someone in hospital it is serious. In the owners world he would just say sorry, never happened before, it was just playing etc etc.

I would like them to all be destroyed along with all other dogs capable of overpowering and killing humans.
It will be difficult to get most of the public to accept this because so many people are in love with dogs.
(I am sick to the back teeth of the ducking things with their excrement all over the blasted place 🤬🤬🤬)

It isn't different for people? I haven't said that. I said I don't think anyone would want to see their dog shot in front of him, so the man shouting "don't kill my dog" doesn't necessarily mean he's more concerned for his dog in that moment.

I imagine a naice cockerpoo owner would also shout "don't kill my dog" if a farmer had their shotgun trained on it after its just killed a lamb, even though they know the consequences.

In the unconscious mind the dog resides in the cubbyhole labeled 'child' (and this doesn't only apply to the lumpenproletariat)

It isn't different for people? Depends. If my DP seriously attacked someone, and put them in hospital for fun or was about to kill someone I am not sure I would stand by them tbh.

the difference being for people they are aware of and responsible for their actions, no one else. They know the consequences.

If a dog attacks someone, livestock etc it is unaware of the repercussions but the owner is - they know exactly what they are but either have their head in the sand or refuse to take responsibility which led to the incident in the first place.

I do not understand how people can defend a dog attacking and maiming random people- it is their failure as a dog owner and I guess that is hard to accept and they feel guilty. The person being attacked is just collateral damage to them.

I do not understand how people can defend a dog attacking and maiming random people- it is their failure as a dog owner and I guess that is hard to accept and they feel guilty. The person being attacked is just collateral damage to them
@JammyJellyfish
Imo they are mesmerized by the dog, under its spell. They do not realise it but the dog has become a sacred animal or a kind of totem for them.

I think the relationship between a dog and its owner is a funny one.

and I say that as someone who loves dogs. You are responsible for them. You fed them, keep them healthy and they rely on your for their needs to be met.

Some people then take that and create a similar relationship as there would be between child and care taker.

From my point of view (and I am ND which may account for it) part of my job as the owner is to keep them safe. I do this by treating them like a dog. Training them, making sure they have mental stimulation and physical exercise. Head off any behavioural problems that may appear. Have training with professionals. Make sure they are secure when we are at home and out.

The last thing I want is for my dogs life to be at risk because I didn’t treat them like dogs. My dogs and foster dogs, rely on me to make the best decisions I can for them. And treating them like a baby or not respecting that they are animals, is the best for them.

I was replying to your comment - "dogs which worry or attack livestock can legally be shot by the farmer, why is it different for people?" when i said it isn't different for people. It read like you were saying why is it OK to shoot a dog for worrying livestock and not when it attacks a person. Is that not what you meant?

@Itsonlymashadow
My dogs and foster dogs
It's interesting that you make this distinction. Why are they not all just your dogs?
Is it because (even if only unconsciously) you feel as if 'your dogs' (presumably this term refers to the animals that you had when they were very young puppies) are the ones that you gave birth to and ones you acquired later are ones that you fostered?

Can't speak for that poster but when you foster a dog you have to try not to get too attached because you know they won't be with you for long (hopefully!) Not unusual to not call a foster your dog, because it's not, youre just looking after it for a while ☺️

Fur babies. That's the attitude of these people to their dogs. Even when they've attempted to rip someone to pieces. I would bet money that the person left with probably life long injuries, would be blamed for somehow setting the dog off.

And this person doesn't truly love his dog. If he had genuinely loved his dog and cared about it's wellbeing he'd have ensured he was muzzled in public for its' own good.

That said from the BBC article it does seem the Police could have been more cautious when firing shots in what seems a residential area. Some hit objects. That was perhaps a bit irresponsible.

No. It’s because I foster dogs. To prepare them for their new owners.

They aren’t going to live with me permanently but I still feel a responsibility to prepare them in the best way we can. Because I care about them.
Foster dogs and never my dogs. I don’t own them. My dogs are my dogs. I own them. They will live with me until they die.

In fact I tend to take in mainly puppies for the rescue I support. So most are with me from puppies.

Why the fuck are you talking about feeling like I gave birth to them? That’s really weird and creepy.

I have given birth twice. To my actual children. Why would you equate that with me owning a dog?