AGAIN! Something must be done

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Yes I know, another XL bulky thread. But seriously, this breed is like a mine field, randomly killing owners all over. You never know when/where it will happen next.

I truly can't wrap my head around people like this woman - may she rest in peace - who are all over the internet defending these KILLERS. They all think theirs is different, theirs would never kill, theirs is a big softy.

Is it time to do something more serious? The legislation brought in doesn't seem to have stopped deaths, although at least it does appear to be the owners (who are stupid enough to keep them) who are dying now instead of innocent members of the public.

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/xl-bully-owner-celebrating-birthday-mauled-death-videos-defending-breed/

@lawnseed I completely agree. It's the whole 'I am entitled to do anything I want, even if I am unskilled/untrained/my circumstances don't suit it. Anyone challenging that can piss off because I need this to fulfil an unmet emotional need in me that I've not developed enough to cope with and anyone standing in my way...I just don't care about'.

It's becoming a very emotion led and reactive society with very little self reflection or checks and balances. You see it generally with lots of dog owners on walks, they laugh and titter if their ANIMAL jumps up or barks or growls at by passers and say 'Oh don't mind him, he's friendly'. Not even an apology. Well I don't want your dog to be 'friendly' towards me because I'm scared, so get it away from me, get it under control and put it on a lead because I don't want to interact with it, I'm out for a quiet walk ffs. If someone 100 years ago had said 'I want to keep a lion at home and it will be my fur baby and it is my family, love me, love my lion and fuck all the haters' society would have said 'Nope, maybe you need an assessment to see if you are capable of functioning in society actually' - nowadays nobody can be arsed to govern, police, or take some self responsibility to adhere to the social contract properly at all and people die a horrible, traumatic, painful death and other people have to attend to that ripped up person clinically, police officers have deal with the out of control animal and literally clean up the mess because of that failure. Ridiculous situation.

As I said on the other thread about this, my neighbour has one. It's aggressive. He's an experienced dog owner and has registered it and it is muzzled outside. It's still aggressive. It will go for you if you so much as look at it. I think they should be wiped out. Neighbour is disabled and would stand no chance if the dog turned on him. I have made it very clear that he keeps it well away from me and my child.

Where I live there are quite a few being walked off lead, no muzzle and not neutered.
No sign of any police, wardens etc...and this is regular walking...so sure it is well known these dogs are about.
This is central London btw...so always plenty of traffic wardens and police about

Yeah yeah working dogs blah blah. These weren't working dogs though.

It's shit ownership when done for looks and status which are the main reasons it's done these days.

Yea, that showed her didn't it?

I didn’t say working dogs though. Some vets, mine included, have recommended tail docking for specific reasons.

And this is why dog ownership needs to be managed and licensed. Dogs are not fur babies and each have their own breed characteristics. Collies herd things, rotties used to be herding dogs as well. German shepherds guard, goldens retrieve, newfies are water rescue dogs, Bully’s were bred for fighting.

this woman came home from a night out, something clearly had wound up the dog in her absence and it showed it’s true nature.

Seems to have a somewhat Darwinian twist to me…

Such as? Because in the UK it's illegal unless done under very specific circumstances relating to certain working breeds and has to be done when the dog is less than 5 days old.

Tail amputation, as opposed to docking, can be done for medical reasons at any point though.

Restrict the sizes/breeds/weights of dogs that the public are permitted to keep.

Of course it won't happen, because..... money. So, enjoy the shitshow carnage.

It's quite unfair how cat owners can't keep a puma. If I had one I'd called it Miss Daisy Bloodbath and put a diamante collar on it. It would sleep in my bed and I'd feed it on terriers and the local bird population. It would leave poo the size of rice puddings all over the neighbourhood. You see, cat owners could be as equally thick and perverse as bully owners.

Make keeping a dog a privilege.

Breeding licences
Mandatory training subject to review and paid for in advance of/simultaneously with pet purchase
Mandatory living space - garden etc

Currently you have ridiculous situations of people breeding staffies and other dog breeds solely for cash. You've got inbreeding amongst relative pups in tiny flats, or dog owners of huge dogs in well populated estates with children and elderly, in tiny living quarters leaving the dog sitting idle all day with maybe a brief walk in the afternoon/evening. The unexercised dog is full of aggressive energy and is let lose on the newly planted trees in the parks as compensation.

I was cutting down the back alleyways of some flats close to me, to get to the post office before it closed and as I passed a worn-down, wood fence, heard sudden frantic barking. I looked between the quite wide gaps. TWO XL bullies' chained TOGETHER in a 'garden' you couldn't swing a bat and ball in with any force without it sailing over the fence.

That's the sort of dangerous situations and dumb owners that need to be clamped down on.

Fines and licences for dog ownership. Make it a mostly MC privilege as it used to be in the past to be honest. Even there you see people treating their animals like another child that said.

"Make it a mostly MC privilege as it used to be in the past to be honest."

No thanks most of the MC people I know (which is just WC with a Michael Kors bag) I wouldn't trust to look after a goldfish. Too busy stuffing coke up their noses and spending far more than they earn to keep up appearances.

Unfortunately, even if all of this breeds gets PTS, give it a few months and the breeders would have another monster creation. There will always be certain people trying to breed the next scariest dog to maintain their status, dog fighting, etc. It’s never going to end.

I don't think animals are good or bad, they're animals. They are what they are.

Pit bulls aren't 'bad' as such. Bad sort of implies human like thinking and decision making.

They're just dogs that have been bred for aggression and they shouldn't be pets. I think the breed should die out tbh. It is so badly damaged by selective breeding, inbreeding and defective genes that there's simply no recovery and the safest and kindest thing to do is let the breed die out.

But they shouldn't be demonised either, like somehow they are little people making reasoned choices to attack because they enjoy being 'evil.' You don't say a lion is bad for ripping the throat out of a zebra for example.

They should never have been bred to be what they are, but they were and now the breed needs to go imo.

As long as these dogs are only killing the owners - what's the problem?

They could escape, or the owner could not comply with the lead/muzzle requirements and they could then kill someone else or their pet.
Or the owner might have children in the home.

But they shouldn't be demonised either, like somehow they are little people making reasoned choices to attack because they enjoy being 'evil

I don't understand why it matters whether people think they are "evil" or think that they're bred to be like that and can't help it. The result is the same either way. I will be avoiding them as much as possible and advising my dc to do the same.

I fid theres sometihng around the eyes and exoression of these dogs. They look sad and depressed.

is there anyway to block posts? not interested in seeing this nonsense anymore, i dont read the posts, just dont want is showing on my feed anymore.

Just hide each thread as you come across it.

They're malformed with dodgy genes so they're probably in chronic pain and discomfort. Some of them seem to struggle to walk and breathe. It's very sad.

Yeah but the stereotypes unfortunately are true on this case. Reluctantly I acknowledge it is mostly the poor with these types of dangerous outsized dogs. A big dog is a status symbol inferring instant Kudos and respec' and more understandably, a deterrent against a knife attack.

As said, MC people can be bloody well annoying with the babyfication of their dogs along with zero boundaries in eating spaces (('What? You mean my dog should give way to a human/cyclist/jogger/child on the same foot path? Oh no, poor poodles has right of way' and 'of course my dog has a right to wag it's tail against your foot in the cafe and sit on the seat' What? allergies you say? Well then you should sit somewhere else))

But their dogs (generally) aren't the ones ripping people to shreds on a monthly basis. So there's that.

I’m sorry she lost her life but she (and many other dog owners) are prime candidates for the Darwin Award. A general culture who don’t listen to any sensible advice, do what they want regardless. That said, it’s her risk, I’m only concerned when that choice either puts innocent members of the public or kids in the household at risk.

She probably would give a fuck now but she can't.
She's dead

I would call mine Nancy

But that's no reason to price out dog ownership completely for those who probably actually benefit more from owning a dog? Loneliness, mobility issues, lack of purpose, depression....all things that can improve with having a dog (or any pet) and I imagine issues facing 'non MC' owners more?

Of course people should have the means to provide for the animal, but that's not exclusive to the upper classes.