Eww just found out my fiance voted UKIP before

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Just that really. And the fact that he likes Nigel Farage and agrees with him. I feel very disturbed.

I didn’t see the deleted post but I can tell from your response that you’ve completely missed the sodding point.

Nobody is suggesting for a second that racism or bigotry should be respected. What is being argued is that the right to express political opinions (within the boundaries of the law) is what should be respected. You know the famous quote (which I expect I’ve butchered)? ‘I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it’. That’s one of the hallmarks of a democratic society, isn’t it? A big melting pot of different ideas and philosophies that people get to vote for as their principles dictate. Do you seriously believe that the ideal scenario is that we should all think the same?

Also, who says that your definition of racism and bigotry is the yardstick by which everything should be measured? I can think of a handful of topics off the top of my head where there are dozens of real concerns entirely unrelated to racism or bigotry. Yet anyone who isn’t spouting the ‘correct’ viewpoint gets called names and told to shut up. Who died and made you and your mates Witchfinder General?

Worryingly, I’m not totally convinced that Rishi is going to be moving out of No 10 this year. And if he clings on, it’ll be because the people who do get off their arses and down to the polling booths are sick of being told that everything they worry about and everything they think is ‘wrongthink’.

N0 one can tell you what to do. Only you know how much it bothers you. I’ve been married for almost 30 years. We don’t vote the same and never have. It doesn’t bother me. It doesn’t affect our love for each other. M we just have differing views 🤷

The irony of people judging people for their politics, whilst calling someone with differing political views “bigots”.
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Differing views is one thing but we are talking extremist views from someone who pedals hatred and lies. And he claims he had a proper job because he used to be a banker 😀. And we won’t mention support for a former US president found guilty!

Someone having voted UKIP in the past is not necessarily the same as liking Nigel Farage now. The former I might be able to accept and understand, the latter is not someone who I would want a relationship with.

True. But the OP says he likes Nigel Farage.

It is almost a symptom of Corbyn/ momentum/ mid to far left - we want everyone to have freedom to live how they like UNLESS you disagree with our version.

I had a short lived boyfriend who hated anyone who voted conservative . I did say at the time how are you going to win the election if half the population can tell you hate them .

No-one is saying you can't have the freedom to like Farage. You just have to cope with the fact that other people may not like you as a result because, guess what, they have freedom too.

🙄 So exactly what has been said above then. Have exactly the same opinions as us, or nobody will like you. I thought that this single track way of thinking was a trait that we tried to discourage in childhood lest it be carried through to adulthood and we were left with adults who were only capable of thinking in terms of right and wrong? Unable to see any nuances.

You do realise that 1984 wasn’t an instruction manual?

The whole racism label argument and having a range of views and disagreeing with anyone who doesn’t share your viewpoint is all well and good but my biggest concern with UKIP voters is genuinely their IQ (whether general or social). The fact that they are willing to vote for a party off the back of a single raison d’etre with limited governance experience is so incredibly short sighted that it tells me that those people are far too dim and selfish. Whilst I don’t think UKIP voters are racist, voting for them is like someone voting for the BNP - it’s set up for a single focussed purpose which has limited impact on the other more important issues relevant to running a country.

A bit weird to reference 1984 when you - responding to someone pointing out that everyone is entitled to their own opinions - are saying “Nope, this is the way people should think”.

Can you genuinely not see a difference between that poster saying ‘have whatever political opinions you want but if they aren’t the correct opinions, then nobody will like you’ and me saying ‘Ffs, everyone has different viewpoints and it doesn’t make them evil racist bigots if they happen to have different opinions to you - they still get to express those opinions as much as you get to express yours’? You think those two viewpoints are equally as restrictive?

But you’re completely misrepresenting what was said (which was, in essence, “everyone is entitled to their opinion”).

You’re saying that everyone should be entitled to their opinion except they shouldn’t be allowed to form a negative opinion of you based on your opinions…

Looking back at your earlier replies, you’re misunderstanding “I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it” too.

Freedom of speech does not mean that everyone has to like (or is prohibited from disliking) what you say.

Aww, and I was so close to just wishing you a lovely evening. I haven’t misunderstood the quote at all. You’ve misunderstood my entire premise. There appears to be a massive gap in our communication styles and I can’t see any chance that we’ll resolve it before one of us (probably me tbf) loses interest. So shall we leave it there? Or do you really want to continue with an utterly pointless conversation in which nothing is achieved and both of us end up feeling irritated before we go to sleep?

Farage is pro fox hunting. That's a relationship deal breaker for me

'Ew no sorry, deal breaker for me couldn't get past it'

SORRY WHAT ARE THESE REACTIONS?!

Can you not love someone anymore if you have different political views..

If he treats you well, you love him and your relationship is a happy one, who gives a toss 😂😂😂😂

Bravo!

anyone that doesn't vote Labour, or have Labour views is seen as the devil. It's pathetic.

Well, there's your actual problem, not how he votes.

Definitely don't marry him, at least not until a lot of those issues are resolved. And probably not even then.

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I don't understand why voting labour is lacking aspiration. AHP here and I want a labour government. I am very ambitious thank you and want to rise through the ranks . Im ambitious for my patients too...to survive and thrive. Just because I don't want to be a banker etc.

I'd just like to see a better NHS and a wage that reflects my skills and responsibility.

Aspirational Labour voter (and member) here too. I run my own business so I hope that’s aspirational enough for you @iamtheblcksheep 🙄

Surely wanting a better, fairer, society is a great aspiration?

It’s the social media syndrome where everyone feels obliged to hold the same majority prevailing view.

I live in a Conservative safe seat, work in a senior level private sector role and I can assure you I barely know of anyone in real life either locally or at work who would admit to voting Labour.

Interestingly even with Labour likely to gain a landslide victory they are still polling at well under 50% of the vote meaning the majority of people do not support or intend to vote for them.

Farage could easily end up with not that far of half the votes Labour get. Labour will then have 400+ seats in parliament and Reform maybe 1 or 2 due to FPTP but it is significant support that will likely have future impact.

Farage is popular with many right of centre voters because he is seen as the catalyst to bring everyone together. Nobody can argue he has populist appeal. Once the election is over he could well effectively become kingmaker for those on the right. That doesn’t necessarily have to be result with him at the head of things however without the support of his voters no right of centre party has got any change of winning a future GE. Even using the current polling figures if Reform and Conservatives voters all voted for a single party they would beat Labour.

It is also worth noting that the UK is now becoming a political outlier in Europe. Virtually every other country is moving fairly rapidly towards favouring right of centre politics.

Italy and Switzerland have what many would refer to as far right governments. Marie Le Pen’s party continues to thrive in France with majority support from young people. Geert Wilders not so long ago was banned from entering the UK by the government because of his views. He has now won the Dutch election and is forming his own government. He has majority support in all age groups for policies including challenging Islam and immigration. University students overwhelmingly support him. Contrast that to what we currently see in the UK.

Times will change and when they do suddenly everyone will forget to mention they ever voted Labour.