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Is this Financial Abuse or AIBU?

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Mochachoc · 04/06/2024 01:49

I have been in a long-distance relationship for about 4 years. Not married and no children. Partner is very financially secure, has no mortgage and has lived in the same property his entire life, which he inherited when his parents passed away. He has never married and has no children. He has also recently inherited another property. He works and is self-employed, although semi-retired.

I have always been very independent and always owned my own home, until a few years ago when I fell into financial difficulties as a result of health problems. He has helped me financially and has been extremely generous, kind and supportive towards me and I would have ended up homeless without his support, as he provided the funds for me to move to a rented property.

I am self-employed, but my income is very small currently, mainly due to health problems and also having to start again from scratch. I have no savings, or financially security and have become completely dependant on him financially. I am trying to work towards owning my own home again and regaining my independence and security, but realistically that may be a few years away.

He helps me with money whenever I need, for things like food and essential bills when I am short, but I generally have to ask / beg for his help, which I hate doing as I find it humiliating and degrading. I have always been very grateful and appreciative to him for his support.

Sometimes I have asked him to help with a specific amount and have to explain to him what the money is needed for, but sometimes he will only help with half, or less than half of what I need, which leaves me constantly scrimping and scraping and unable to ever have any luxury, or be able to relax and I am left constantly worrying about running out of money and having to ask him for more. This is also putting me into further debt, hindering my own ability to earn and re-build any financial security for myself and I am effectively living in poverty, unable to save anything and seem to be unable to move forward to improve my future.

I am so dependent on his financial support and would be homeless without the help he does provide.

I have tried to communicate with him about this, which I think he does understand, but nothing seems to change. Sometimes he will reassure me that he will always look after me financially, but sometimes if I ask for more money he tells me he cannot afford it.

I recently ran out of heating oil and no money for food shopping or basic essentials and he told me no, he cannot help me at the moment, as he has just had to pay out thousands of pounds for his annual property / car insurance etc. He also stated that he has used all of his savings on me and has nothing left, but had previously assured me that it was no problem for him to help. So I never quite know where I stand.

I am also being evicted from my rental due to landlord selling up. Because of my extremely bad credit rating, I will need 6 months rent upfront to move home, plus security deposit and other moving costs, which I simply cannot raise that sort of money by myself. I don't even have access to a credit card for emergencies. He is extremely financially well-off and doesn't seem to care if I become homeless, which has left me feeling incredibly insecure.

He mentioned he would be having a will written to look after me if anything ever happened to him, but seems to not really be bothered that I am struggling. He also mentioned he had brought himself a £3000 chainsaw, but says he cannot currently help me with any money for basic living costs.

I am not sure if he is enjoying the control he has, or if he genuinely doesn't realise my situation.

Is this financial abuse or AIBU?

OP posts:
Tbry24 · 04/06/2024 19:41

Mochachoc · 04/06/2024 18:05

Lucky you never having heard of 6 months rent upfront. That only serves to reinforce the ignorance of many people who have replied, who clearly have zero understanding or knowledge of any life circumstances that they have not personally experienced themselves. My credit rating is completely destroyed for a number of years and there is nothing I can do about that. You cannot rent a property with only paying 1 month upfront under those circumstances.

Before we bought our home we also had to always pay 6 months rent in advance. It’s standard if you might be a problem and have no guarantor. It also , IMHO, means the landlord treats you terribly. If you don’t have the rent your friend could be a guarantor you’d owe him nothing and you would be able to rent a 1bed flat.

Butchyrestingface · 04/06/2024 19:42

iamreallyabee · 04/06/2024 19:40

And what is wrong with extremely loving a cat or horse ?

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Is this Financial Abuse or AIBU?
Feelsodrained · 04/06/2024 19:42

Itsonlymashadow · 04/06/2024 19:38

So if he can't afford to give her regular money he should have ended the relationship?

He used money yo form the relationship? Do you mean Op used him for his money?

No I meant that he offered her money as a loan and she was understandably grateful and he capitalised on the gratitude to begin a relationship.

I might be wrong but it does happen. People (especially men) don’t tend to do things out of the goodness of their hearts if there’s not anything in it for them. Money is a way of getting control of someone. Maybe it sounds like the OP is a gold digger but I get the impression that she’s scraping by, living hand to mouth, occasionally begging her boyfriend for a loan to buy food. Maybe I’m barking up the wrong tree though.

SwingingPonytail · 04/06/2024 19:42

It's not Liz Jones, it's Liz Truss.

'None of it was my fault- it was everyone else.'

SwingingPonytail · 04/06/2024 19:43

@Feelsodrained Yes you are. Bark somewhere else. Woof.

HaudYerWheeshtYaWeeBellend · 04/06/2024 19:43

SwingingPonytail · 04/06/2024 19:37

BS is bullshit.

Tell us - how were you party to the landlord's confidential finances?
How did you know he wasn't supposed to rent his flat according to the mortgage contract?

How did the rental agency know/ not know?

It's not illegal to have security cameras on your home.
It's illegal to have them facing a street where the public are.

Edited

Was going to reply back to the OP, however I simply can’t be bothered, the thread is going to hit maximum and then the OP can wollow in her own bullshit and freeload of her boyfriend for another 4.5 years while her struggles remain.

Loads of excellent advice however OP is willingly choosing to ignore those comments.

CandidHedgehog · 04/06/2024 19:44

Uricon2 · 04/06/2024 19:39

Do you think he's the Rock Star?

Well since the Rock Star has never been verifiably established as an actual Rock Star (or, you know, actually existing) and the main person she was hinting it was threatened to sue if she didn’t knock it off, probably not.

Also, to be fair to Liz, while she makes catastrophic choices personally and financially, there’s never been a suggestion that she expects to be bailed out by a man. If anything, if the genders were reversed, I could see her as the Gentleman Friend, shoving cash at a gold digging partner in the hopes of being loved.

SwingingPonytail · 04/06/2024 19:47

Weddingfrock · 04/06/2024 19:33

Baby reindeer

I don't know what that is.

Itsonlymashadow · 04/06/2024 19:47

Feelsodrained · 04/06/2024 19:42

No I meant that he offered her money as a loan and she was understandably grateful and he capitalised on the gratitude to begin a relationship.

I might be wrong but it does happen. People (especially men) don’t tend to do things out of the goodness of their hearts if there’s not anything in it for them. Money is a way of getting control of someone. Maybe it sounds like the OP is a gold digger but I get the impression that she’s scraping by, living hand to mouth, occasionally begging her boyfriend for a loan to buy food. Maybe I’m barking up the wrong tree though.

Yes and it does happen that some people (men and women) find someone who is willing to give them money and manipulates them and forges a relationship with them. Of course people use money to control people. But that's not the only way people are abused emotional abuse isn't just financial.

OPs posts are full of lies from how her repossession happened to her eviction. I imagine he has cottoned on to her lies.

He offered to loan her money and she hasn't paid it back AND expects more and is having a tantrum because he won't. How is he in control?

Mochachoc · 04/06/2024 19:48

SwingingPonytail · 04/06/2024 19:37

BS is bullshit.

Tell us - how were you party to the landlord's confidential finances?
How did you know he wasn't supposed to rent his flat according to the mortgage contract?

How did the rental agency know/ not know?

It's not illegal to have security cameras on your home.
It's illegal to have them facing a street where the public are.

Edited

Yes, I know what BS means, I just wanted the poster to explain their ignorant assertion..

There was a CCTV system installed at the property and I was told that once I moved in I would be given the password to the CCTV to have sole access to the CCTV, which is a tenants legal right. When I moved in however, I was then told that the CCTV was not working and they refused to give me the passwords. But the CCTV was very clearly recording my every move from a remote location, being watched by the Landlord - And YES, that is ABSOLUTELY ILLEGAL.

I found out about the illegal letting situation, as a few months into the tenancy, their mortgage lender posted a letter addressed to "occupier", informing me of exactly what I stated in my above post (WHICH IS ALSO VERY ILLEGAL). So please give it a rest all of you interrogating me on alleged "BS"....

I quite frankly do not have the time, or energy to keep answering all of your BS

OP posts:
LifeisHard73 · 04/06/2024 19:48

Well that was fun! I’m going to stop wasting my day online now:)

CandidHedgehog · 04/06/2024 19:48

SwingingPonytail · 04/06/2024 19:47

I don't know what that is.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baby_Reindeer

Baby Reindeer - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baby_Reindeer

SwingingPonytail · 04/06/2024 19:51

Mochachoc · 04/06/2024 19:48

Yes, I know what BS means, I just wanted the poster to explain their ignorant assertion..

There was a CCTV system installed at the property and I was told that once I moved in I would be given the password to the CCTV to have sole access to the CCTV, which is a tenants legal right. When I moved in however, I was then told that the CCTV was not working and they refused to give me the passwords. But the CCTV was very clearly recording my every move from a remote location, being watched by the Landlord - And YES, that is ABSOLUTELY ILLEGAL.

I found out about the illegal letting situation, as a few months into the tenancy, their mortgage lender posted a letter addressed to "occupier", informing me of exactly what I stated in my above post (WHICH IS ALSO VERY ILLEGAL). So please give it a rest all of you interrogating me on alleged "BS"....

I quite frankly do not have the time, or energy to keep answering all of your BS

Edited

So when you discovered that about the cameras, what did you do? Why didn't you contact the letting agency and get it sorted?

The mortgage lender's letter seems far fetched.

The letter would go to the landlord, not you.

Why would they write to you ?

SwingingPonytail · 04/06/2024 19:52

Mochachoc · 04/06/2024 19:48

Yes, I know what BS means, I just wanted the poster to explain their ignorant assertion..

There was a CCTV system installed at the property and I was told that once I moved in I would be given the password to the CCTV to have sole access to the CCTV, which is a tenants legal right. When I moved in however, I was then told that the CCTV was not working and they refused to give me the passwords. But the CCTV was very clearly recording my every move from a remote location, being watched by the Landlord - And YES, that is ABSOLUTELY ILLEGAL.

I found out about the illegal letting situation, as a few months into the tenancy, their mortgage lender posted a letter addressed to "occupier", informing me of exactly what I stated in my above post (WHICH IS ALSO VERY ILLEGAL). So please give it a rest all of you interrogating me on alleged "BS"....

I quite frankly do not have the time, or energy to keep answering all of your BS

Edited

But you spent 7 hours last night, all night.

How that is conducive to working and earning money is hard to fathom.

You don't want to answer questions that are difficult.

SwingingPonytail · 04/06/2024 19:53

Would you say you've been the unluckiest tenant in the UK?

Demonhunter · 04/06/2024 19:54

ChefsKisser · 04/06/2024 19:18

Please can you answer the queries about how often you actually see each other in real life?

I don't think they ever have, and as anyone can say anything online, I don't think she knows his financial situation, just what he's telling her. Anyone can be a millionaire if they want, and perhaps he had a small savings pot that she HAS wiped out but she wouldn't know, because maybe he isn't admitting he isn't as wealthy as he claimed. Where are the "mutual friends" in all of this? This is clear as day, someone who has an online boyfriend and is rinsing them for all they can.

Chimpandcheese · 04/06/2024 19:56

You came to mumsnet hoping that everyone would agree that you’re being treated badly only to be told that the opposite is true - does that not tell you something?? You clearly don’t want to hear it. I also wonder what he gets from this relationship, because you sound pretty self centred and don’t seem to mention anything about what you do for him. Have you tried to see this from his point of view and how he might feel?

TheBishopIsKillingMe · 04/06/2024 19:56

YABVVVVVVU

Blendeddogs · 04/06/2024 19:56

Mochachoc · 04/06/2024 02:31

Wow, I am seriously shocked at some of the very rude & judgmental replies. I tried my best to write a summary of the situation, but maybe didn't put it across well enough.

whatevss - I don't think the term "boyfriend" is appropriate. He is not a boy, he is a man in his 50s and I am in my 40s. And No, I am not manipulating him by being honest with him. If anybody is taking the piss, it is him taking the piss out of me. I do have a job thank you. He has assets and savings of approx £1.5 million and I am destitute. I don't really think that is a fair or equal partnership and your opinion is a bit twisted.

Yes but you and your mess are not on him. He needs to walk away from you now

HaudYerWheeshtYaWeeBellend · 04/06/2024 19:57

More bullshit sprouted by the OP regarding her housing situation, no assertion assumptions being made here, simply know the law and the policies and procedures that are regulatory requirements.

Woeful. If this is true please help your financial situation asap, you cannot rely on your boyfriend for financial assistance.

BaronessEllarawrosaurus · 04/06/2024 19:58

Sometimes I have asked him to help with a specific amount and have to explain to him what the money is needed for, but sometimes he will only help with half, or less than half of what I need, which leaves me constantly scrimping and scraping and unable to ever have any luxury, or be able to relax and I am left constantly worrying about running out of money and having to ask him for more. This is also putting me into further debt, hindering my own ability to earn and re-build any financial security for myself and I am effectively living in poverty, unable to save anything and seem to be unable to move forward to improve my future.

Please can you read the child benefit threads from yesterday and today. The majority of those posters have no hope of ever even thinking about any luxury. You need to get your situation into perspective and appreciate what he has done previously to help you and figure out how you now support yourself and repay your loans to him.

Mochachoc · 04/06/2024 19:58

I was going to post some more info for you, but really just can't be bothered now, as you are all too far gone and I really don't have the mental capacity to deal with your relentless abuse. .

You win! Well done! You all must be so proud of how perfect you all are.

OP posts:
Mochachoc · 04/06/2024 20:00

Always remember, behaviour breeds behaviour...

Also, Do NOT attention bad behaviour. Thanks again for your entertainment.

OP posts:
EveryOtherNameTaken · 04/06/2024 20:01

Perhaps if you had given us more info before, views may have been different.

Itsonlymashadow · 04/06/2024 20:01

Mochachoc · 04/06/2024 20:00

Always remember, behaviour breeds behaviour...

Also, Do NOT attention bad behaviour. Thanks again for your entertainment.

Do you realise you are admitting to troll behaviour?

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