To still be really sad and angry about Brexit

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It really reduced the opportunities in my future and has achieved absolutely nothing of benefit for anyone else (besides disaster capitalists who made a mint off the financial manipulation effect). We haven't even avoided those stupid fecking tethers on the bottle lids!

When the extra immigration checks come in in October it's going to make every holiday a tiny bit upsetting.

And the new government won't even try to fix it.

Don't get me wrong I'm not one of those idealists singing ode to joy before breakfast but on a personal level it bloody sucks and seems likely it always will.

I don’t see anywhere near the same level of anger on here about austerity @J2os

It's not quite as simple as that. Many on the Left have always been opposed to the EU, (eg Tony Benn, Jeremy Corbyn) and many on the right have been supporters (eg Margaret Thatcher)
It's really not that clear cut left/right.

I've got to know, how do you get a "European" passport if you currently have a British one?

Actually leaving this now because I can't stand the "rattled a few cages" nonsense. Sneering at people for worrying about the state of their country and its poorest is really shitty behaviour.

I’m still upset and angry about Brexit too, I don’t think I’ll ever get over it. I don’t dwell on it daily or anything but whenever the topic crops up I feel furious.

Well if you'd travelled extensively throughout Europe, Greece and Turkey, you'd see prices have rocketed, not just in the UK. Its very xenophobic to think the UK should be protected from all the forces that are affecting the rest of the world

I think the other point to make @J2os is that I don’t believe Brexit would have happened without the LibDem/Tory austerity policies. You can’t treat poorer communities abominably then except them not to react. Unfortunately nobody seemed to realise that and even worse the communities who did vote Leave are now demonised.

So everyone is now leaving the post because they don't like a balanced argument?

Someone said recently we are all remoaners now. If only Brexit voters had a decency to accept that they were wrong/misled/lied to, instead of saying that the failed Brexit is someone else's fault, our children might stand a chance to see the UK rejoining the EU

Xenophobic?!? Nonsense. The entire Brexit vote was founded in xenophobia!

Has quality and choice of food plummeted across EU? It has here but only if you’re paying attention.

But working class children do have access to those languages at school at least until year 9 as it’s compulsory until then.

I know many people like to talk about French at school as a joke but for me it opened my eyes to the world and I threw myself into those languages, became fluent, studied them at uni and enjoyed freedom of movement working as a teacher in various EU countries until I couldn’t anymore.

As a working class person and the first person in my family to go to uni, those opportunities were the making of me. Languages and culture aren’t just for middle class people and their children, they should be for everyone.

Have you ever heard of a dual citizenship concept?

because Cameron said the result would be carried out. And because of the massive influence and pressure of the ERG.

Please however, you did know this, didn't you.

No shit Sherlock 🙄

And I said 'people like you' not 'you people'. A subtle difference but a difference nonetheless. I'm sure you'll be gutted to know that here endeth my interaction with you. If there's one thing that makes me despair it's people being 'dumb rude' yet thinking they're being ever so terribly edgy. Almost all your posts on this thread have been dumb rude and that marks you out as someone to avoid.

This thread is quite extraordinary.
For those arguing that the majority vote didn't result in Brexit, blame those who pissed their democratic right to vote up the wall. It wouldn't be very democratic to force people to vote.

In relation to immigration, the UK desperately need skilled workers. Many European skilled workers are still here and the bar to get a skilled worker visa is much lower than it was pre Brexit. The local market test has been abolished.

If economic migrants want to come, that's fine with me providing they don't get housed, provided with a free NHS to which they haven't contributed, or any form of benefits. That is what many want and other European nations won't give it to them.

European economies are as fragile and broken as the UK at present and there are far more extreme influences prevailing presently across Europe than here.

We have a home in France, we won't be subjecting ourselves to French tax - it is far worse than here.

In 10 years time the landscape of Europe will very different than today and I am not persuades the EU will exist in its current form, if at all. If that is so then the UK has a head start.

Both Covid and the war against Ukraine have had a greater impact on our economy than Brwxir. It's coming out now that the scientists being listened to were actually pretty hard left. Was it chance or machiavellian?

My father, maternal grandfather and maternal great, great grandparents came to the UK as refugees. They got not one penny from the State.

My father was a German Jew. His family did not survive. Germany was very very hostile from the mid to late 1920s against Jewish people, and any one else who didn't fit the Ayrian mould, including those who were gay and disabled and who did. Whilst I don't support Farage, the comparator above is as sickening as it is beyond contempt.

The world is on a precipice at present, we need strong, stable and experienced government although I rather hope the Conservatives will be decimated. Only that will force them to sort themselves out and get a unified party together. And we will need it because Labour will disintegrate within two years when they win.

Well I travel extensively and regularly and unless I'm hallucinating, prices have rocketed everywhere

lol, my new one keeps I options open should I wish to live overseas again!

That’s wonderful but I think it’s safe to say languages are not taught well or extensively in a lot of state schools. I’m thinking about my own dc who got a 8 in German GCSE who couldn’t study it at A level because it had been cut due to budgeting issues. He won’t be the only person in this situation. That means straight away his chances of working in Germany could be curtailed from the get go. I think he plans to learn it in his own time at university so hopefully will make up that ground but how many others wouldn’t be able to do this?

My mother isn’t British so I can get one from her country

Prices have rocketed everywhere.

I was talking about quality, and choice. Notice that you skirted around that one, unsurprisingly.

But you must realise it is possible to have more than one nationality, and passport? Some have worked for many years abroad and gained nationality, and some have married foreign nationals, or have one foreign national parent.

Thousands have applied for Irish passports due to one or more grand-parent or parent being Irish, from both North and South.

@RosesAndHellebores - I agree with many of your points. I have to say that I'm alarmed at the open homophobia and antisemitism I've witnessed in Europe recently.
The far right are gaining in many countries.
Dangerous times.

I agree with OP - the EU isn't and was never perfect but the general arrangement made much more sense for everyone. How anyone imagined leaving the EU would mean less 'red tape' is utterly beyond me and it has clearly harmed the country massively. The loss of straightforward immigration has obviously impacted the construction, care, health, farming and hospitality industries, losing us young workers we need in a country with an ageing demographic.

Oh look!

Just on the announcement of Nigel the grifter Garage being announced as leader as the deform party, there’s a feisty Brexit debate.

Quelle surprise Rodney

This, word for word.