To still be really sad and angry about Brexit

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It really reduced the opportunities in my future and has achieved absolutely nothing of benefit for anyone else (besides disaster capitalists who made a mint off the financial manipulation effect). We haven't even avoided those stupid fecking tethers on the bottle lids!

When the extra immigration checks come in in October it's going to make every holiday a tiny bit upsetting.

And the new government won't even try to fix it.

Don't get me wrong I'm not one of those idealists singing ode to joy before breakfast but on a personal level it bloody sucks and seems likely it always will.

Blame the parents and the people smugglers. There is absolutely no reason for anyone to get into a small boat and cross the channel. France is not at war. How many safe countries have been travelled through. They are mainly economic migrants. Anyone who puts a child into one of these small boats should be charged with attempted murder.

Why on earth not?
It will be blue now.
(Actually nearer black, and ironically made in Poland) 🤔

Oh come on. Surely you know the Electoral Commission found ample evidence of fraud and outside interference - and would have had to cancel the vote if it had be official rather than just advisory. Surely, you know that.

I'm Irish but flew via Standstead to Budapest recently. When we got there, a handful of us sailed through the EU passport side and the other passengers with British passports were hived off into another queue. I said to my colleague that if I were British and a remainer I would be so fucking angry every single time -like this - that I was reminded of what was lost and for absolutely nothing, not even ideology really. Which would at least be understandable.

Me too OP. I just had a work trip with a German colleague. I was jealous of her EU passport and all the freedom it still affords her and simultaneously angry in her behalf about the hoops she has to jump through now just to stay in the UK.

I can see France from my town. It's so close and on a clear day it just makes me sadder and angrier seeing how physically close we are and how stupidly far away we've put ourselves.

The majority of the population did not vote for brexit. The majority of the people who bothered to vote in the referendum voted for brexit.

What do you mean?
Electoral fraud?.

So why wasn't it overturned if it was found to be fraudulent? Your post makes no sense

Yes, that was my next question.

I voted to remain as it stands but accepted the result, oooh about 8 years ago

Of course we're not unwelcoming. We have one of the most diverse populations in the world, but the fact is we are a small island, we cannot let everyone who wants to live here come, it's not sustainable. Our land mass is smaller than France and Germany yet in the last 30 odd years our population percentage wise has grown more.

Uncontrolled immigration is a disaster. It puts pressure on existing resources such as schools, hospitals, surgeries, housing etc.

I agree OP and I think people who shout "oh get over it!" as if people are throwing their toys out of the pram are extremely unreasonable.

This isn't a game, it's something that will continue to impact our lives and our children's lives for decades and generations to come.

Yanbu op.

And listening to Brexit voters saying they haven’t got the Brexit they wanted, is like listening to fools complaining the magic bean they bought hasn’t grown into a giant beanstalk like they were promised.

Of course it hasn’t 🙄

It’s exactly the Brexit you were warned about though. And I thought Nigel Garage was going to leave the country if it failed (he’s said it’s failed).

Still, gullible people love a snake oil salesman.

Good for you.

It would be perfectly valid if you were still mad about it though. It will impact your life and the lives of future generations negatively.

Personally I don't accept that.

How so? What the Nazis did was horrific. I doubt that anyone, at the start, believed Hitler was capable of murdering millions of people. Fascism doesn't look much like fascism at the start. It looks like policies that tax companies for employing immigrant workers. It looks like posters pitting born and bred native countrymen against 'swarms' and 'invasions' and otheting. Nothing I have said has minimised those who died at Hitlier's hands. I'm saying we should avoid that again at all costs. Just because this is 2020s Britain and not 1930s Germany does not make it any less of a risk.

This in spades. How come evert other country has stringent rules around immigration but we're considered frothing at the mouth racists when we express the same concerns in the UK?

We're a v small island that is full to bursting and then in the same vein, those that complain about us being xenophobic racists complain they can't get a GP appointment, decent housing, social housing, social care, school placing of their choice etc etc. Go figure

Is that correct? Or was the small majority of the people who bothered to vote in favour of Brexit?

I agree with a PP that such a fundamental change should have needed a larger margin.

It speaks volumes that the 'get over it' people don't seem to know much about it. Too busy enjoying the sunlit uplands I assume.

Honestly, I think there are more important things to get worked up about than Brexit. I voted Remain but with some doubts. I think economically speaking the EU was not always workable and there are advantages to local decision making (the small is beautiful theory). I am more of a Lexiteer in reality. All the people who blindly think the EU is some kind of Utopia don’t think about the awful right wing movements in many countries who make Farage look like Michael Foot. In reality it was mainly middle-class kids who have had their futures ‘stolen’ as working-class kids never had the access to languages which would make working in Europe viable. I’ll take cover now as all the middle-class mums who hate queuing in certain lines when arriving for their ski trips take aim.

And from what I can gather from your original post OP, your major gripe with Brexit is that it has limited your holiday opportunities. Cry me a river

YANBU op.

the theft of opportunities for the young, by the old and the deluded, leaves me sad, angry and bitter.

Well get off your arse and go out and vote. We live in a democracy. We had a free and fair vote. The majority of those who voted, voted leave. What is your problem with that?

I agree OP, it's shit.

Most young people had their futures stolen in 2010 by the LibDem/Conservative coalition and their austerity policy. How the Lib Dem’s have the nerve to talk about stolen futures is beyond me.

The country is 3% poorer as a result of Brexit, which translates to less money for schools, hospitals, you name it, with the poorest most affected and the richest, as ever, able to protect themselves. Thinking it's about queuing for ski trips just makes you look unserious, I'm afraid.