To still be really sad and angry about Brexit

[OptimismvsRealism]

It really reduced the opportunities in my future and has achieved absolutely nothing of benefit for anyone else (besides disaster capitalists who made a mint off the financial manipulation effect). We haven't even avoided those stupid fecking tethers on the bottle lids!

When the extra immigration checks come in in October it's going to make every holiday a tiny bit upsetting.

And the new government won't even try to fix it.

Don't get me wrong I'm not one of those idealists singing ode to joy before breakfast but on a personal level it bloody sucks and seems likely it always will.

@EasternStandard

thats is a rather sad snap shot.

on average the Uk has performed worse on inflation over the last two years than comparable economies by a long way.

A- no need to be rude
B- how about the housing market (supposedly) collapsing?

Have you forgotten about austerity? A coalition policy of the LibDem/Tory government which has absolutely decimated the UK and directly led to 150,000 deaths? Politicians are very lucky that some people have extremely short memories…😦

Not RTT, but Labour clearly have no intention of reversing Brexit, given their policy to add VAT to private school fees - EU rules don’t allow for tax on education.

Farage is nothing like Hitler, he’s not advocating exterminating people. I don’t think wanting stricter border control makes someone a terrible person. Many countries do like the US, Canada, Switzerland and Australia.

Yes, this is something that I really don't get. Other countries are 'protecting their borders with the common-sense, practical measures that they have in place'... whereas the UK is 'nasty, racist and xenophobic' for wanting to do the same.

Ireland was recently complaining that the majority of 'their' economic migrants/asylum seekers had come directly from the UK, which was 'clearly our fault'; but a great many of those have first come to the UK directly from other safe, wealthy western European countries, which apparently is 'also our fault'. Most people making it safely to France from a poor and/or war-torn country would think they'd won the lottery; not be desperately making dangerous plans to get to the UK.

Whether you believe that countries should be allowed to strictly monitor who enters their borders and reject anybody they don't want; or whether you think that anybody should be able to freely go and live anywhere they like in the world - why the blatant double standards? I have many reservations about the Rwanda scheme, but we aren't the first country to do it (whether sending migrants to Rwanda or similarly less-developed and thus less-desirable countries); so why are the others not criticised for doing the same before us?

And I'd be the first to admit that we get a lot wrong in the UK, but that doesn't mean that we are automatically wrong in everything we do; especially when other countries doing the same thing or holding to the same principles are escaping any criticism at all, sometimes even praised for their wise approach.

Yes it stands out to me how countries fare in threads

One on Aus strict immigration policy the other day pretty much filled with their country their rules

I won't get over it either, I am so incredibly angry and sad that it was ever for a vote, since it was a much deeper question than it was made out to be. No one could have voted for leave if they had all the facts in front of them. It was not an informed choice at all. I also think that is has "shrunk" our nation and the opportunities we had/could have had, in all walks of life. I fucking hate the lying bastard tories.

And painting Farage as some kind of 'pre-Hitler', on the basis that "this is how it begins" is absurd.

All of the murderers and violent criminals now in our prisons began as innocent babies and toddlers; but maybe we should have been watching out at nurseries for the ones who pushed the other kids or bit them, so we could have got in there quickly to write them off as dangerous, vicious, murderous thugs, eh?

Yes, if I wanted to move to Australia - so not even seeking economic betterment, as the UK has a similar standard of living and wealth to start with; and a similar culture, so no major issues with assimilating there either - my disabilities would instantly have me rejected, without any officials there even interviewing me, speaking to me or considering my case, as I would be seen as 'a drain on their country' that they don't want or need and that's that.

I'm just wondering what the headlines would scream if the UK was found to be discriminating against disabled migrants and instantly rejecting or throwing them out purely on the grounds of their disabilities?

Yes it was the autism thread. It was quite interesting as a few posters who take a very different approach to U.K. and comment on here really went for the Aus hardline policy

It seems a disconnect, I wonder why

No, but it would have been 100 times worse without the Libdems keeping them somewhat in check. From 2015 things got a whole lot worse.

Not sure where your 150,000 figure comes from.

Most people making it safely to France from a poor and/or war-torn country would think they'd won the lottery; not be desperately making dangerous plans to get to the UK

you'd think. I also remember reading about Iranian doctors leaving Germany to come to the UK. Germany has its share of potholes and delayed trains, but who in their right mind would choose Brexit Britain over Germany?

Edited: I know some people aren't making the choice and are being trafficked.

@goodnessmeitsfriday

well said

@parkrun500club I don’t know where your idea the LibDems ‘kept Tories in check’ comes from because there is no evidence of that. Conversely it’s well documented that austerity directly led to 150,000 deaths. Google is your friend.

You will need your Irish parents birth cert , marriage cert if applicable and your own birth cert of course. Good luck. Imagine ...millions of ppl voted Leave to escape the dreaded EU red tape. Now look at us !

Things got a lot worse in 2015. Anyway you don't have to agree with me. I have my view and you have yours.

People thought the Coalition government was bad - but they'd not seen anything yet,

Well there are some very interesting results coming from European elections with the far-right making huge ground. I wonder how this makes the very vocal Remainers feel? Are they comfortable with this?

@Lassi

We did the same back in 2014 with UKIP, the tories have been basically the same as many "far right" european parties for the last 5 years anyway.

I loath the Tories but they’re not in the same category as some of the far-right parties who are performing well in Europe.

@Lassi UKIP are though. I also think the Tories verge on it, there is great amount of British exceptionalism that means people think that because these parties are British they aren't quite as bad as other.

Le Pen and Farage are the same side of the coin.

Having seen the way the EU seems to be lurching to the right, I'm wondering if we aren't actually better off out of it for a while (& I voted "remain").

That was one of the interesting points in the Larry Elliot article I linked

I’m not sure it’s simply down to exceptionalism which distinguishes them per se. I agree that Farage is the closest thing we have to what we are seeing in Europe. Let’s see how he does in the election. He’s failed 7 times to be elected to Parliament. Here’s hoping for an eighth loss.

I am really looking forward to the reactions of those who believed that the EU was the land of milk and honey when they see it veering dramatically to the Right.

@Sausagenbacon

Funny that you don't recognise that we did this already.

UKIP and the Tories sat with the far right groups in the EU Parliament