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AIBU to not let SIL make wedding speech?

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Dontknowwhattodooooo · 03/06/2024 10:36

Hi guys abit of a long one sorry in advance!

Me and DP have been together for 12 years, we are getting married in a few weeks. Dp has a younger sister who has very severe mental health problems. She has spent the last 5 years in and out of inpatient mental health facility’s. She is doing well now but needs carers everyday. For weekdays she has carers come to her then at the weekend Dp mostly looks after her apart from the odd days when I will go to help her for the day. Her and DP are very close due to this and also they grew up in the care system so he always looked out for her since they was kids.

Now SIL is genuinely lovely but due to her mental health conditions she is very unpredictable, she has extreme paranoia about people looking at her and laughing at her, she also hears voices so sometimes she believes she can hear people’s thoughts. Her mood can change with no warning from “normal” to extreme anger or depression or she can also become manic. If she has these outbursts she can become violent or put her self in danger or harm herself on purpose. She also has panic attacks and flashbacks which can cause her to have a seizures. Being under stress or feeling anxious can trigger these outbursts and make them worse and it’s very hard to calm her down in especially in public.

this brings me to my problem. At the wedding my mum and my dad both want to give a speech to which we said ok fine no problem. DP then said he doesn’t have any one speaking from his side can SIL do it for him. The problem is SIL is also severely dyslexic so she is not the best at reading so wouldn’t be able to read a speech from anything, she also wouldn’t be able to remember a whole speech. I told DP I don’t think it’s fair to SIL to give the speech due to she would have to make it up on the spot which she wouldn’t be good at as she already struggles to get her words out in the right order sometimes. This would probably cause her to feel embarrassed which in turn would make her anxious and she would most probably end up either having a panic attack or she would think people are laughing at her which would cause her to become angry. She also will randomly stop talking sometimes and talk back to the voices she can hear so I don’t want people at the wedding to see her doing this as this would probably embarrass her too. DP blew up at me and said she’s his sister and if I’m so embarrassed of her then maybe we shouldn’t have a wedding at all because these things could all happen even if she doesn’t give the speech. He also said I clearly just don’t like SIL because she has mental health issues and I want people to think my family is perfect with no issues.

Im genuinely at a lost because I don’t think it’s fair to put her through unnecessary stress but Dp thinks I’m just embarrassed of her which is not the case I love her like my own sisters I’m just trying to look out for her. I’ve already made exceptions for her at the wedding to make her as relaxed as possible like making her a special role as “brides helper” so she gets to wear the bridesmaids dress but doesn’t have to walk down the aisle with us and she is going to sit at the back so if she needs to leave she can leave easily. She is also going to be sitting at a table with just her and my DD and DS as she is very relaxed around them and that way she will be not around a lot of people.

so AIBU to not let her give the speech?

OP posts:
TypingoftheDead · 03/06/2024 19:18

I would be inclined to give sister in law the options suggested in a previous post, and ask what she is comfortable with. I would have the same concerns for her mental welfare on the day, but wouldn’t want to outright exclude her if she does indeed want to do something at the ceremony (has she actually been asked?)

Scarletttulips · 03/06/2024 19:18

She could wear her brides maid dress and have her hair done for the video - she can edit it and add background music and photos.

It’s much better from the heart.

Maybe even a casual chat where she talks about her brother and you, and then you can edit it to make sense.

PenguinLord · 03/06/2024 19:19

Are you worried abiout her or whether people will judge YOU because of SiL?

Scarletttulips · 03/06/2024 19:21

Are you worried abiout her or whether people will judge YOU because of SiL?

I think OP has done more than enough to outline her concerns about SIL well being.

She has included her at every step - loses her husband every weekend so he can care for her - asked her to be bridesmaid and helped her feels secure whilst there and now is trying to prevent meltdowns and injuries.

What more can she do?

pikkumyy77 · 03/06/2024 19:23

Your zDP isn’t going to be rational. Tell him all speeches will be taped and pre recorded as it gives every chance to edit it and get it perfect. The hen everyone van do that and you can show him she could or could not fo it to his satisfaction.

HowDoYouSolveAProblemLikeMyRear · 03/06/2024 19:24

Can you word it that you'll have the traditional 3 speeches (Father of the Bride; Groom; Best Man), but that your father will be sharing his speech with your mother?

SlightlygrumpyBettyswaitress · 03/06/2024 19:37

Just ask her if she would like to do the toast.
Easy for someone else to do it if she doesn't want to on the day

tuvamoodyson · 03/06/2024 19:47

Suncream123 · 03/06/2024 16:34

Why do your mum and dad both want to talk?

Because they are separated and it’s a way to not one up each other.

easylikeasundaymorn · 03/06/2024 19:54

HollyKnight · 03/06/2024 14:24

I don't think any of this is out of concern for SIL. It sounds more like you're worried she'll spoil your wedding by having meltdown. Because it really isn't your place to decide what someone's illness or disability allows them to do, but you're using this as an excuse because you don't want her to attempt to make a speech.

If your DP wants to ask her, then he should be allowed to ask her. If she says yes then backs out later, so be it.

Edited

Oh come on. Most neurotypical adults dread making speeches, public speaking is one of the most common fears - OP is not only stating the obvious but being kind in pointing out that someone who has a panic attack at the idea of just people looking at her walking down the aisle as one of several bridesmaids, and who needs to be put on a table without any strangers for the meal is not going to cope well with the stress of making a speech with a whole room staring at her.

Also not sure why so many people are irate at the idea of speeches being unfairly weighted towards one side of the family when "tradition" is usually groom & best man & both fathers, (i.e. 3 from groom's side, 1 from bride's) without bride herself or any female relative getting a look in!

Unicorntearsofgin · 03/06/2024 21:28

This might be too late but instead of a speech could she do a toast to the bride and groom?

Ariela · 03/06/2024 21:30

Could she read a poem?

Isn't the best man doing a speech? Surely best man is a mate of groom?

PathOfLeastResitance · 03/06/2024 21:33

Could she write what she wants to say and a copy be left on each table place with a note on the envelope saying ‘Do not open until instructed’ and then it could be part of your DHs speech for everyone to read it at the same time?

hopscotcher · 03/06/2024 21:37

I think maybe let her say something if she wants to. I think that's a rather extreme reaction from your partner though.

Notsure31 · 03/06/2024 21:37

YANBU, my sister has severe mental health problems so I completely understand why you wouldn’t want this or want to put her on the spot.

NewName24 · 03/06/2024 21:37

easylikeasundaymorn · 03/06/2024 19:54

Oh come on. Most neurotypical adults dread making speeches, public speaking is one of the most common fears - OP is not only stating the obvious but being kind in pointing out that someone who has a panic attack at the idea of just people looking at her walking down the aisle as one of several bridesmaids, and who needs to be put on a table without any strangers for the meal is not going to cope well with the stress of making a speech with a whole room staring at her.

Also not sure why so many people are irate at the idea of speeches being unfairly weighted towards one side of the family when "tradition" is usually groom & best man & both fathers, (i.e. 3 from groom's side, 1 from bride's) without bride herself or any female relative getting a look in!

Exactly.

Some of the replies on here are quite odd.

Americano75 · 03/06/2024 22:10

You sound lovely OP, your SIL is so lucky to have you as family.

SirAlfredSpatchcock · 04/06/2024 00:09

JohnSt1 · 03/06/2024 15:47

The joint speech with DH and SIL sounds like a lovely, lovely idea.

Yes, I completely agree.

It dovetails perfectly with the 'bride's helper role' - where she is very clearly honoured for her great importance in the family, but she isn't put under any pressure to do something that might prove to be challenging or upsetting for her.

SirAlfredSpatchcock · 04/06/2024 00:16

Gazelda · 03/06/2024 17:45

You should be ashamed of yourself for this post. Incredibly unpleasant.

Actually, I suspect you're trying to goad. Shameful.

100% Agreed - that was just nasty, ableist and without any grace or merit whatsoever.

Just what would go through somebody's head to not just think that but actually take the trouble to share it with everybody?

MrsGhastlyCrumb · 04/06/2024 00:22

Sorry, I know it's bad not to read the whole thread before replying- but what if she was supported to do a video in advance, with photos etc if they have them? I think it would be asking far too much if her to get up and make a speech, but something like this could be lovely and wouldn't put her on the spot in the same way.

SirAlfredSpatchcock · 04/06/2024 00:28

It does certainly make sense why both of OP's DPs want to make their own speech - if they're separated; and I think some PPs asking latterly why they could possibly want to do this might not have read OP's updates.

If they were happily married/together, I'm sure they could come to an agreement as to who would deliver what they both want said on behalf of them both - or even do a joint (but very clearly one single) speech. This, however, is very much not the case in this situation.

saltinesandcoffeecups · 04/06/2024 00:38

I think the prerecorded sounds like the best option. If she’s up for it just go have dinner set up the recording and ask her questions… then you can edit them into a short speech.

Again if she’s up for it at the end she can stand and offer a toast

ClairDeLaLune · 04/06/2024 00:45

Is there a special place where she likes to go, maybe where you and DP go with her, where you could record a video of her doing a speech? That would be meaningful to her perhaps?

Needanewname42 · 04/06/2024 00:58

Thornberry1 · 03/06/2024 15:58

How about a short reading? Lovely way for her to be involved but much less pressure than a speech. Maybe a short / poem style one that's easy to read or remember - then if she feels good after that she could add a toast on the end.

Don't be daft, a servery dyslexic person doing a reading, as a child I dreaded my turn to read to the class - I certainly wouldn't be doing it at a wedding.

With a speach it can be her words using
Que cards, and as long or short as she wants it to be.

But I think she should be asked if thats what the Groom wants. She is an adult capable of making her own decisions.

Needanewname42 · 04/06/2024 01:10

NewName24 · 03/06/2024 21:37

Exactly.

Some of the replies on here are quite odd.

Not quite Grooms father doesn't normally do a speech.
Brides Father is traditional host.
Grooms is on "behalf of my wife and i" and toasts the bridesmaids
Best Man's toasts the couple.

MaitlandGirl · 04/06/2024 01:20

Is there anyway she can have a carer with her at the wedding? Someone who’s totally there for her?

I know you said she’d be sitting with your family members but it might help her feel more comfortable knowing that if she gets totally overwhelmed she can leave the room and not have to take a family member with her (disrupting their enjoyment of the wedding).

Is it too late to add an extra guest and seat at the table?