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To feel like my child free friends want me to dislike having a child?

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doggydoggle · 02/06/2024 00:57

Growing up, I observed that amongst my parents generation, there was a lot of jokes about husbands and wives disliking each other. This is often referred to as "boomer humour".

"The old ball and chain."

Jokes about his bald head and her fat bum.

It was all over birthday cards. It was all over tv and was generally part of every day conversation. Not to say that everyone actually felt that way but it felt like it was expected that they'd talk about each other that way.

I feel like my generation's (I'm in my 30s) equivalent to that is people joking about not liking their children. Parents often "jokingly" warn you "don't have kids". They do a sort of (either faux or real) jealousy when they hear about child free people going out to drinks as they have to be at home with a child. They constantly talk about needing wine to cope.

People without children often refer to children as smelly or gross or openly talk about how they could never cope with not having freedom.

I was child free for many years and I think it's great for people to be able to choose not to have children. I definitely don't think everyone should and it's obviously not the right thing for everyone. I believe people can be perfectly happy without children.

However I feel like a lot of people now seem to pity me for having a child and not being able to stay out late or make impromptu plans or "do whatever I want". Generally they talk about parenthood as being completely negative.

I confess that I felt this way before I had children. I definitely felt sorry for parents - thought they always looked stressed. Their lives didn't sound as fun. I thought mine seemed more fun - getting up when I want, not having responsibilities, being able to just think of myself.

The difference is that I didn't actually say this out loud to people with children!! As I knew it would be offensive to speak about their actual child who they loved as this horrible negative thing.

I've completely changed since having a child. I know that a lot of people will think it's for the worst but to me it feels like life is so much better now. Having a child is obviously hard sometimes but I love having him and I feel this complete and utter contentment and inner peace that I've craved my whole life. I have never been so at peace and happy ever before. I absolutely love being a mum and if I could go back in time I'd do it sooner and start sorting my life and finances out sooner so I could have had more.

I don't expect people to love or care about my child but I feel increasingly like having a child has almost become "uncool" amongst my (mostly childfree) peers. I'm constantly inundated with picture of peoples dogs. Everyone wants to meet these new dogs or see pictures or talk about and fuss over them. Sometimes they insist they love them as much as a parent loves their child (not in a joking 'fur baby' way either)

Any even mention of my child is at best smiled politely at before immediately changing the subject or worst I am told how they don't like children and sometimes they're called things like "crotch goblins". This is not in a loving jokey way.

Again I know nobody else owes me anything and has no reason to be interested in my child. I just feel it's weird that I'm expected to constantly talk about and look at pictures of dogs but if when giving an update about what's been happening with me I mention that my child learned to walk or talk or cartwheel, its boring and not an acceptable conversation.

When people find out I have a child they seem to feel sorry for me and want to brag about how they don't have one and their life is so easy.

I've tried making friends with mums at groups but I don't seem to have a lot in common with ones I've met and now I am back to working full time it is harder. A lot of people I meet through work, my interests etc tend to be childfree for whatever reason.

OP posts:
theeyeofdoe · 02/06/2024 01:01

Surely you've made friends with people with children though?

Novella90 · 02/06/2024 01:05

I understand where your coming from completely in how society’s seems to put a negative spin on parenthood, however if yours friends are uninterested in your DC it seems they’re not very supportive of you - I’m 23 and none of my friends have children except me, however they go out of their way to ask me about my baby, to invite me to everything they do still and to include my DD in their plans.
of course I’m not trying to say anything negative about your friends I don’t know them and I don’t know how they are with you generally, but for them to be uninterested in your DC seems unreasonable to me, even if they don’t like children generally, which is fair enough, they could make an effort to take an interest in yours as they are your friends, your not a random person. And for them to so obviously show an interest in each others pets in front of you. over your child is a little harsh. Thats just my take on it.

doggydoggle · 02/06/2024 01:06

theeyeofdoe · 02/06/2024 01:01

Surely you've made friends with people with children though?

No unfortunately I've not really, other than acquaintances that haven't developed any further.

I don't seem to have met anyone with children who I click with. I have some old friends who are scattered around the country who have children but none I see regularly.

In my current work there's literally one person with children and they are almost adult children.

I met quite a few people when I was training to do my current job and out of 20 of us, only 2 had children. One had to leave halfway through the course and the other was nice enough but I didn't get the feeling she wanted friends beyond a polite chat.

I guess once my son starts school it might be easier but he's only a toddler now.

OP posts:
doggydoggle · 02/06/2024 01:09

Novella90 · 02/06/2024 01:05

I understand where your coming from completely in how society’s seems to put a negative spin on parenthood, however if yours friends are uninterested in your DC it seems they’re not very supportive of you - I’m 23 and none of my friends have children except me, however they go out of their way to ask me about my baby, to invite me to everything they do still and to include my DD in their plans.
of course I’m not trying to say anything negative about your friends I don’t know them and I don’t know how they are with you generally, but for them to be uninterested in your DC seems unreasonable to me, even if they don’t like children generally, which is fair enough, they could make an effort to take an interest in yours as they are your friends, your not a random person. And for them to so obviously show an interest in each others pets in front of you. over your child is a little harsh. Thats just my take on it.

Thank you. Yes this is my instinct but I worried I was being unreasonable and my judgement was clouded because obviously I love my son and he's mine. I was worried I was being entitled expecting people to be interested.

We get along well other than that so it's surprising to me that they're so openly against children to my face.

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Tunefultwix · 02/06/2024 01:13

Yes, I've noticed this too, although I have friends with children as well, and many of my child-free or childless friends don't speak that way.

I've not been around people rude enough to use terms like 'crotch goblins,' but I have noticed absurd amounts of pity, "how awful" expressions, "it sounds so difficult!" (said with horror), as well as comments like, "you CHOSE to have a child" if I mentioned something I couldn't do due to e.g. childcare timings. Comments that appear to be well-meant, yet have an unpleasant edge to them, like how bad it is I don't get more time for myself, how things will get "better" when my child is older (which upsets me, as I dread the empty nest future!.

I also get annoyed by friends who talk about how much they dislike children. Ageism, and I suppose at least they're open about their prejudice, but they could try owning it's an issue with them, not with young people.

LordSnot · 02/06/2024 01:17

I can't see how your post relates to the thread title. Some of your friends aren't interested in having long discussions about your child but smile politely at your photos and news. That's pretty normal and not exclusive to childfree people. There's no indication that they want you to be miserable about having him.

You admit you've changed a lot since these friendships began. Sounds like you no longer have much in common and need to find new friends. That isn't their fault.

LongSinceGotUpAndGone · 02/06/2024 01:20

having a child has almost become "uncool" amongst my (mostly childfree) peers. I'm constantly inundated with picture of peoples dogs. Everyone wants to meet these new dogs or see pictures or talk about and fuss over them

If they prefer dogs to children, it's inevitable they are going to give more attention to dogs. It is hard when your friends are into things you're not; you end up feeling left out. There isn't much you can do except find friends with whom you have more in common.

I've had this the other way round, as a childfree woman, losing my friends as they started having babies and became absorbed in a baby-centric world, and it is rubbish when you are the one left out, whatever the reason.

GreenTeaLikesMe · 02/06/2024 01:24

You may need to find different friends. I have lots of wonderful friends who don’t have children and it shouldn’t be a dividing line. The problem with the friends who you are describing is not that they do not have kids - it is that they are rude and unpleasant. Can’t believe they openly talk about not liking kids or using phrases like crotch goblins - they sound really unpleasant people.

GreenTeaLikesMe · 02/06/2024 01:25

LordSnot · 02/06/2024 01:17

I can't see how your post relates to the thread title. Some of your friends aren't interested in having long discussions about your child but smile politely at your photos and news. That's pretty normal and not exclusive to childfree people. There's no indication that they want you to be miserable about having him.

You admit you've changed a lot since these friendships began. Sounds like you no longer have much in common and need to find new friends. That isn't their fault.

Did you miss the bits where the OP mentioned that she is endlessly inundated with dog pictures/dog chat, and has people openly saying they don’t like children or using offensive terms about them? Her friends (or at least, those of her friends who are doing stuff like this) sound like rude twats, frankly.

ConfusedConfuse · 02/06/2024 01:27

Not exactly this but I have the most children out of my social circle my sister only had one child and loves to make a point of how awful my life must be compared to hers, any situation I am having trouble with I will get "that's why I only had one" rubbed in constantly like she wants me to feel regretful. As for crotch goblins I've heard of mum's refer to their own kids as that....

LordSnot · 02/06/2024 01:28

GreenTeaLikesMe · 02/06/2024 01:25

Did you miss the bits where the OP mentioned that she is endlessly inundated with dog pictures/dog chat, and has people openly saying they don’t like children or using offensive terms about them? Her friends (or at least, those of her friends who are doing stuff like this) sound like rude twats, frankly.

Her friends like dogs, talking about dogs and sharing dog pics. They aren't interested in children. The OP is the only one who wants to talk about children instead of dogs so she needs to find somewhere else to do it.

YaMuvva · 02/06/2024 01:40

OP I’m probably a decade or so older than you and don’t remember fat bum/bald head jokes, at all. Maybe in the 50’s but not 80’s/90’s I’d also avoid like the plague anyone calling my kids smelly, gross or a crotch goblin.

I think it’s just that you know a lot of dickheads rather than this being a cultural problem.

YaMuvva · 02/06/2024 01:42

However there ARE times in life when you have a “realise who your friends are” moments. For me one was when a parent died. The other was when I had kids.

There are so many ways to make mum friends, it may take a while but you need women who have the same mindset as you do.

Firefly1987 · 02/06/2024 01:53

Tunefultwix · 02/06/2024 01:13

Yes, I've noticed this too, although I have friends with children as well, and many of my child-free or childless friends don't speak that way.

I've not been around people rude enough to use terms like 'crotch goblins,' but I have noticed absurd amounts of pity, "how awful" expressions, "it sounds so difficult!" (said with horror), as well as comments like, "you CHOSE to have a child" if I mentioned something I couldn't do due to e.g. childcare timings. Comments that appear to be well-meant, yet have an unpleasant edge to them, like how bad it is I don't get more time for myself, how things will get "better" when my child is older (which upsets me, as I dread the empty nest future!.

I also get annoyed by friends who talk about how much they dislike children. Ageism, and I suppose at least they're open about their prejudice, but they could try owning it's an issue with them, not with young people.

Perhaps they are just trying to empathise? I feel like if they didn't say these things you'd probably be complaining no one understands or cares how hard it is for you. If you're not complaining about aspects of parenthood then fair enough but if you are I'm really not sure what you expect people to say.

OP when you're childfree you feel inundated with parents and babies and they're probably just trying to get away from that for a few minutes.

DontKnow1988 · 02/06/2024 01:58

You need new friends. My best friend does not want children of her own, for her own reasons. She has a dog she absolutely loves. However, she has been nothing but wonderful to me and about my baby generally and would never compare my baby to her dog (at least not to my face so far lol).

Child free does not equal arsehole.

bookreturnshere · 02/06/2024 02:00

Whats wrong with people who think they love their dog like/more than a parent loves their child?

It's their opinion, who are you to quantify their love and why do you want to dismiss it?

I find your attitude dismissive of people and what and who they choose to love. You expect yourself and your children to be celebrated. MAybe your friends just dont like your children and they like everyone else's dogs more. I dont blame them.

bookreturnshere · 02/06/2024 02:01

doggydoggle · 02/06/2024 01:09

Thank you. Yes this is my instinct but I worried I was being unreasonable and my judgement was clouded because obviously I love my son and he's mine. I was worried I was being entitled expecting people to be interested.

We get along well other than that so it's surprising to me that they're so openly against children to my face.

you really are being entitled to expect people to care about your child.

Tunefultwix · 02/06/2024 02:02

Firefly1987 · 02/06/2024 01:53

Perhaps they are just trying to empathise? I feel like if they didn't say these things you'd probably be complaining no one understands or cares how hard it is for you. If you're not complaining about aspects of parenthood then fair enough but if you are I'm really not sure what you expect people to say.

OP when you're childfree you feel inundated with parents and babies and they're probably just trying to get away from that for a few minutes.

Possibly in some cases, perhaps they imagine it's awful when I see it as just explaining why I can't make it to an event — perhaps to them it would be awful not to be able to go.
But often enough it's uninvited, just when I'm mentioning something child-related. The look of horror or pity seems very out of tune with what I'm saying or feeling, so must be their feelings about having children!

BruFord · 02/06/2024 02:05

I have teenagers and agree that you’ll make some parent friends when your child starts school. Also through their clubs, sports, etc. Most of my parent friends were made cheering from the sidelines at football matches or track meets!

Of course you can’t talk much about your child if people aren’t interested, but if anyone referred to children as “crotch goblins” in front of me or said that they disliked all children, I’d be inclined to give them a hard stare and say “you mean young human beings? “ or something similar. I can’t stand it when adults pretend that children are a different, inferior species to them.

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BruFord · 02/06/2024 02:15

@bookreturnshereOther people definitely don’t need to care about her child, but equally, it’s horrible to call children vile names or dismiss them as unpleasant “others.”
They're just younger human beings.

bookreturnshere · 02/06/2024 02:19

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Your language is unnecessary. People can care and not care about what they want. No one is obliged to fawn over you and your offspring. I'm surprised you need me to explain it to you.

The OPs friends never said “I don’t care about your kid god how ENTITLED” they just find dog pictures cute.

Calamitousness · 02/06/2024 02:20

It’s possible your friends will change as they get older and will start to have children. But then again maybe not. I never wanted children till I was mid to late 30’s and definitely found my friends with kids had different interests so much so that I wasn’t really interested in their kids and felt they were a bit boring and I was out all the time having a ball and lost things in common with them. But I too stopped being a party animal at some point and settled down. Both are great ways of life. It’s just your friends are at a different stage than you and you will miss out on doing what they do just because you have other commitments. They’ll miss out loving your son but if they are not at that point of wanting children themselves they’ll be ok with that. And I have a dog that I think the world of too and also spam everyone with photos of him. That’s not a child free thing.

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Firefly1987 · 02/06/2024 02:31

Tunefultwix · 02/06/2024 02:02

Possibly in some cases, perhaps they imagine it's awful when I see it as just explaining why I can't make it to an event — perhaps to them it would be awful not to be able to go.
But often enough it's uninvited, just when I'm mentioning something child-related. The look of horror or pity seems very out of tune with what I'm saying or feeling, so must be their feelings about having children!

Perhaps it's all the messages we get about how hard parenthood is in general they think they have to go OTT sympathising with you even though you're obviously not struggling. There are definitely some out to have a dig and let everyone know how much they hate kids as well.

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