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To feel like my child free friends want me to dislike having a child?

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doggydoggle · 02/06/2024 00:57

Growing up, I observed that amongst my parents generation, there was a lot of jokes about husbands and wives disliking each other. This is often referred to as "boomer humour".

"The old ball and chain."

Jokes about his bald head and her fat bum.

It was all over birthday cards. It was all over tv and was generally part of every day conversation. Not to say that everyone actually felt that way but it felt like it was expected that they'd talk about each other that way.

I feel like my generation's (I'm in my 30s) equivalent to that is people joking about not liking their children. Parents often "jokingly" warn you "don't have kids". They do a sort of (either faux or real) jealousy when they hear about child free people going out to drinks as they have to be at home with a child. They constantly talk about needing wine to cope.

People without children often refer to children as smelly or gross or openly talk about how they could never cope with not having freedom.

I was child free for many years and I think it's great for people to be able to choose not to have children. I definitely don't think everyone should and it's obviously not the right thing for everyone. I believe people can be perfectly happy without children.

However I feel like a lot of people now seem to pity me for having a child and not being able to stay out late or make impromptu plans or "do whatever I want". Generally they talk about parenthood as being completely negative.

I confess that I felt this way before I had children. I definitely felt sorry for parents - thought they always looked stressed. Their lives didn't sound as fun. I thought mine seemed more fun - getting up when I want, not having responsibilities, being able to just think of myself.

The difference is that I didn't actually say this out loud to people with children!! As I knew it would be offensive to speak about their actual child who they loved as this horrible negative thing.

I've completely changed since having a child. I know that a lot of people will think it's for the worst but to me it feels like life is so much better now. Having a child is obviously hard sometimes but I love having him and I feel this complete and utter contentment and inner peace that I've craved my whole life. I have never been so at peace and happy ever before. I absolutely love being a mum and if I could go back in time I'd do it sooner and start sorting my life and finances out sooner so I could have had more.

I don't expect people to love or care about my child but I feel increasingly like having a child has almost become "uncool" amongst my (mostly childfree) peers. I'm constantly inundated with picture of peoples dogs. Everyone wants to meet these new dogs or see pictures or talk about and fuss over them. Sometimes they insist they love them as much as a parent loves their child (not in a joking 'fur baby' way either)

Any even mention of my child is at best smiled politely at before immediately changing the subject or worst I am told how they don't like children and sometimes they're called things like "crotch goblins". This is not in a loving jokey way.

Again I know nobody else owes me anything and has no reason to be interested in my child. I just feel it's weird that I'm expected to constantly talk about and look at pictures of dogs but if when giving an update about what's been happening with me I mention that my child learned to walk or talk or cartwheel, its boring and not an acceptable conversation.

When people find out I have a child they seem to feel sorry for me and want to brag about how they don't have one and their life is so easy.

I've tried making friends with mums at groups but I don't seem to have a lot in common with ones I've met and now I am back to working full time it is harder. A lot of people I meet through work, my interests etc tend to be childfree for whatever reason.

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ByPeachSeal · 02/06/2024 08:04

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HemmAyes · 02/06/2024 08:04

You also talk as though all your friends are through work OP and this can give a scewed demographic.
Do you still keep in touch with friends you grew up with, or from any hobbies?

Pickled21 · 02/06/2024 08:04

It's the people that you are friends with and you have stated that you used to feel sorry for parents too. I'm in my 30s and have never felt that way but I have grown up on a culture that loves babies and children. They are very much a part of the family and noone bats an eyelid when they attend weddings, funerals etc.

A lot of my friends from school had kids in their 20s whilst I was at a completely different stage of life. I still checked in, visited them as new mums, held their baby's when we met up. I did find though that I put greater effort into maintaining friendships with those that despite having a young family still reached out and showed an interest in my life. Friendship is a two way thing, if you aren't getting anything back then it is time to widen your circle.

fieldsofbutterflies · 02/06/2024 08:05

@Nottodaythankyou123 I'm lucky that DH's dad is really into fishing - if he's really blithering on I just say "why don't you go and ask your dad about it" 🙈

Which he now knows is code for "please stop taking about reels and lures and low tide" 😂

TootGoesTheOwl · 02/06/2024 08:06

Grimchmas · 02/06/2024 08:00

This is just damn offensive.

I'm childless by choice and my dogs are indeed family to me, i feel lucky to have such a close relationship with them that I consider that relationship to be of family category. They're definitely also dogs not children, and I'm quite sure that I'm not a crap dog owner by any objective means. I also know a lot of dog owners who consider their dogs to be family, who do and don't have children, and all of them are decent enough dog owners. I'm sure you are too.

Imagine if a child free person were to make such sweeping statements about people with children being crap dog owners because they can't possibly have enough time for their dog and they must all be putting their dogs in danger from their toddlers grabbing and yanking ears and tails. That's how insulting it is when somebody generalises.

Do you specifically say to your friends with children that you love the dog as much as a child? If not my post wasn't aimed at you.
Also, I got my dogs when my kids were about 13 & 10. Well past toddler years and very able to care for dogs...

Needanewname42 · 02/06/2024 08:06

HollyKnight · 02/06/2024 08:02

She's talking about the women who choose to be childfree. The "brainwashed" ones.

And you don't think people will front with "I don't want kids" rather than having people asking very intimate questions, like have you tried sex and putting your bum on a pillow?

muddyford · 02/06/2024 08:06

Thewildthingsarewithme · 02/06/2024 07:37

I went to a cafe recently where the queue was about 20 deep, I had my objectively very cute three week old with me. The man in front of me had a puppy. As he left every person on the queue squealed and cooed and gushed over this puppy so loudly and excessively that they all laughed at themselves, I then walked out with my human baby who was barely even glanced at 😂 i

But MN is full of threads about how mothers don't want strangers cooing over their babies. I certainly wouldn't try after reading about it. Whereas puppies need to meet new people in a narrow time window. I'm childfree by choice but would never be rude to others about their children.

mitogoshi · 02/06/2024 08:07

Get new friends? Actually i suspect it's a defence mechanism, they are trying to convince themselves they aren't missing out. The choice not to have children is complicated but i suspect some if not all of them have not made a choice to be child free, it's more that circumstances have determined it and they have made their peace, now they are reinforcing verbally that their life is better without children, deep inside they may be feeling quite different. I have child free friends with amazing lives but I know the truth, 5 years of upset every month when they weren't pregnant then 3 rounds of ivf, finally being told that they were too old to adopt an under 5 unless they were willing to accept a sibling group or additional needs they made their peace and got on with serious task of long haul holidays and being able to spend an inheritance recently received on fun rather than school fees.

Neurodiversitydoctor · 02/06/2024 08:07

IAmNotASheep · 02/06/2024 08:00

But that’s like saying everyone should sing the praises and be perpetually grateful of everyone.
As if people constantly way up the pros and cons of everyone’s existence.

People hate the rain, but we can’t survive without it.

Would that be such a terrible thing ?
I am out the otherside now DCs are adult. TBH those of our contempories who took this attitude are now loking pretty silly as the nappy/sleepless night phase is so short but the rewards are lifelong. The failing birthrate is a huuuge issue and I believe the anti-child narrative is partly culpable here.

KimberleyClark · 02/06/2024 08:08

Needanewname42 · 02/06/2024 08:06

And you don't think people will front with "I don't want kids" rather than having people asking very intimate questions, like have you tried sex and putting your bum on a pillow?

Or “get a few beers down him” was one I had.

Grimchmas · 02/06/2024 08:09

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Oh do fuck off with your patronising insulting shite.

We don't all have an urge to be mothers. Do you think lesbians are just denying their inherent biological urge to find a man to shag, too?

OptimismvsRealism · 02/06/2024 08:10

Neurodiversitydoctor · 02/06/2024 07:53

Not wanting children for yourself I can I understand. But hating all children is really odd. Why ? Children are our society's future, with the way birthrates are falling around the world we should be grateful to anyone willingly reproducing. Just who do these child-haters think will be paying the taxes when they are drawing their pension ?

The way they move, make noise, soak up all adult attention really stresses me out. I didn't like kids when I was a kid. Being an adult is awesome! I'm not saying it's impossible I'd meet a child I liked but it hasn't happened yet. They inevitably have the traits of their developmental stage. I don't hate them like they're bad or something I just hate being around their energy.

I know I'm not the centre of the universe and it's my problem to manage but I don't agree that disliking children is difficult to understand.

HollyKnight · 02/06/2024 08:11

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Are you talking about yourself? Are you someone who put it off and now regrets it? If so, I'm sorry for that. But your experience isn't everyone else's. I know plenty of childfree women. Happily married and close to their families. They have great full lives. They aren't missing anything.

DorotheaHomeAlone · 02/06/2024 08:11

I’m sorry that your friends are being such dicks OP. Probably stems from a place of insecurity in their decision. People who are happy and confident in their choices don’t normally feel the need to exclaim them rudely and relentlessly or judge others for going a different way.

Interesting how this thread mirrors my own experiences with childfree friends. Lots of arseholes turning up to defend your friends crappy behaviour and mean attitude. Which is an attitude I have heard increasingly around London. But also lots of people who are making it work.

Two of my lifelong friends are childfree. I have three kids. We’re all respectful of each others choices and interested in each others lives. They’re friendly to my kids and I have always made an effort to see them regularly without kids and to ask about/remember the big stuff in their lives (even when in the trenches with newborns, toddlers and sleepless nights). That is how friendships survive change and last a lifetime.

My life is much richer for having a range of friends. I hope you meet some more supportive friends soon , parents and childfree.

LakeTiticaca · 02/06/2024 08:12

ByPeachSeal · 02/06/2024 08:04

@Grimchmas Sorry, but no. They’re just dogs.

They’re not your family, or your furbabies, they’re just dogs, and the love for them is not comparable to that of a child.

I find this quite offensive actually. Are you saying that people who cant/don't want children have no rights to love their animals like children?
Who are you to judge? Do you think they should love other people's children more than they love their animals? Well guess what, they don't!!

OptimismvsRealism · 02/06/2024 08:12

Neurodiversitydoctor · 02/06/2024 08:07

Would that be such a terrible thing ?
I am out the otherside now DCs are adult. TBH those of our contempories who took this attitude are now loking pretty silly as the nappy/sleepless night phase is so short but the rewards are lifelong. The failing birthrate is a huuuge issue and I believe the anti-child narrative is partly culpable here.

It's not a problem. Tech is about to render many (most?) jobs obsolete. A smaller population will be a solution to that.

ByPeachSeal · 02/06/2024 08:12

HollyKnight · 02/06/2024 08:11

Are you talking about yourself? Are you someone who put it off and now regrets it? If so, I'm sorry for that. But your experience isn't everyone else's. I know plenty of childfree women. Happily married and close to their families. They have great full lives. They aren't missing anything.

Thankfully not. I’m happily married with two kids ☺️

Ksqordssvimy · 02/06/2024 08:13

Not encountered this at all tbh. Maybe the "don't have a child" but that's usually just knackered parents. This: "any even mention of my child is at best smiled politely at before immediately changing the subject" - I started doing when I found out in the immediate aftermath of finding out I couldn't have kids as a self-preservation measure. It passed.

Catsmere · 02/06/2024 08:15

Only seems to be kids people are so weird about 😂

@Nottodaythankyou123 I've had an ex-neighbour launch into a rant about how much she hated cats when I mentioned having two indoor cats. Worse, she started trotting out a story about cruelty she allegedly witnessed as her excuse for why she hated them.

ByPeachSeal · 02/06/2024 08:20

LakeTiticaca · 02/06/2024 08:12

I find this quite offensive actually. Are you saying that people who cant/don't want children have no rights to love their animals like children?
Who are you to judge? Do you think they should love other people's children more than they love their animals? Well guess what, they don't!!

I’m saying it’s not possible they can ever love their dog like they would a child (if they had one).

The love someone has for a pet cannot even be compared to the love someone has for a child.

Ksqordssvimy · 02/06/2024 08:20

muddyford · 02/06/2024 08:06

But MN is full of threads about how mothers don't want strangers cooing over their babies. I certainly wouldn't try after reading about it. Whereas puppies need to meet new people in a narrow time window. I'm childfree by choice but would never be rude to others about their children.

I would've done the same @Thewildthingsarewithme . Not that I'm not happy for you, but in the shadow of learning you can't have a child, it's hard to see. I don't resent you. I just might have cried. I'm not going to cry over a puppy tbh. You can get one anytime.

HollyKnight · 02/06/2024 08:20

ByPeachSeal · 02/06/2024 08:12

Thankfully not. I’m happily married with two kids ☺️

Well then you're just assuming all sorts because you can't understand how some women just don't have the urge to have children.

Itsthedress · 02/06/2024 08:21

Well it sounds shit for you, but also I kind of want to know where you live / work / socialise because at 36 I am literally the only one out all my friendship groups who doesn’t have children, and nobody wants to see photos of my dog.

Catsmere · 02/06/2024 08:22

Saschka · 02/06/2024 07:40

But if their children are old enough to have children themselves, they must be adults. So that isn’t you not wanting to have anything to do with children, it’s you not wanting to know anything about their wider families.

Do you extend that to not talking about your own partner? Or your siblings or parents? Or is that somehow completely different?

No, I mean not being interested in the grandchildren, or any children. Talking about things adult family members do is separate. I'm quite happy to join in those conversations.

I don't bother talking about my mother, who's in a nursing home with dementia, unless someone asks. There isn't a lot to say. "Yes, she's fine, yes, they're looking after her" covers it. My sister lives far away, none of them know her, so why, apart from brief, hopefully funny anecdotes, would I talk about her? I don't have a partner, and given what I hear about theirs from my friends, I'm very glad not to!

Earwiggoearwiggoearwiggo · 02/06/2024 08:24

LakeTiticaca · 02/06/2024 08:12

I find this quite offensive actually. Are you saying that people who cant/don't want children have no rights to love their animals like children?
Who are you to judge? Do you think they should love other people's children more than they love their animals? Well guess what, they don't!!

I mean, the idea that humans are more valuable and important than animals is quite a fundamental underpinning of all human society, though, isn't it?