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To feel like my child free friends want me to dislike having a child?

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doggydoggle · 02/06/2024 00:57

Growing up, I observed that amongst my parents generation, there was a lot of jokes about husbands and wives disliking each other. This is often referred to as "boomer humour".

"The old ball and chain."

Jokes about his bald head and her fat bum.

It was all over birthday cards. It was all over tv and was generally part of every day conversation. Not to say that everyone actually felt that way but it felt like it was expected that they'd talk about each other that way.

I feel like my generation's (I'm in my 30s) equivalent to that is people joking about not liking their children. Parents often "jokingly" warn you "don't have kids". They do a sort of (either faux or real) jealousy when they hear about child free people going out to drinks as they have to be at home with a child. They constantly talk about needing wine to cope.

People without children often refer to children as smelly or gross or openly talk about how they could never cope with not having freedom.

I was child free for many years and I think it's great for people to be able to choose not to have children. I definitely don't think everyone should and it's obviously not the right thing for everyone. I believe people can be perfectly happy without children.

However I feel like a lot of people now seem to pity me for having a child and not being able to stay out late or make impromptu plans or "do whatever I want". Generally they talk about parenthood as being completely negative.

I confess that I felt this way before I had children. I definitely felt sorry for parents - thought they always looked stressed. Their lives didn't sound as fun. I thought mine seemed more fun - getting up when I want, not having responsibilities, being able to just think of myself.

The difference is that I didn't actually say this out loud to people with children!! As I knew it would be offensive to speak about their actual child who they loved as this horrible negative thing.

I've completely changed since having a child. I know that a lot of people will think it's for the worst but to me it feels like life is so much better now. Having a child is obviously hard sometimes but I love having him and I feel this complete and utter contentment and inner peace that I've craved my whole life. I have never been so at peace and happy ever before. I absolutely love being a mum and if I could go back in time I'd do it sooner and start sorting my life and finances out sooner so I could have had more.

I don't expect people to love or care about my child but I feel increasingly like having a child has almost become "uncool" amongst my (mostly childfree) peers. I'm constantly inundated with picture of peoples dogs. Everyone wants to meet these new dogs or see pictures or talk about and fuss over them. Sometimes they insist they love them as much as a parent loves their child (not in a joking 'fur baby' way either)

Any even mention of my child is at best smiled politely at before immediately changing the subject or worst I am told how they don't like children and sometimes they're called things like "crotch goblins". This is not in a loving jokey way.

Again I know nobody else owes me anything and has no reason to be interested in my child. I just feel it's weird that I'm expected to constantly talk about and look at pictures of dogs but if when giving an update about what's been happening with me I mention that my child learned to walk or talk or cartwheel, its boring and not an acceptable conversation.

When people find out I have a child they seem to feel sorry for me and want to brag about how they don't have one and their life is so easy.

I've tried making friends with mums at groups but I don't seem to have a lot in common with ones I've met and now I am back to working full time it is harder. A lot of people I meet through work, my interests etc tend to be childfree for whatever reason.

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bookreturnshere · 02/06/2024 02:51

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Guavafish1 · 02/06/2024 03:10

UK is more animal than child friendly society.

I'm not really interested in others kids... I don't tend to talk about my kids as its boring for the listener.

I don't feel child free friend want to dislike children

HoHoHoliday · 02/06/2024 03:47

Your post title suggests you want a thread to bash childfree people which is pretty crappy of you. What you describe is not my experience of life as a childless woman.
I think it's your friendship group that's a bit odd. And you even say yourself you were like them before you had children so how they are shouldn't be a surprise to you now.

My experience is opposite to what you describe - people in my life, my circle of friends, have tended to have a child and then only be interested in talking about their child, to not be at all interested in any aspect of my life that they previously shared.
I've lost count of the number of times I've been dismissed with comments such as "you wouldn't understand", "you don't know what tired is", etc.

Try to make some new friends and you'll find a different way of experiencing friendships.

MariaVT65 · 02/06/2024 04:43

I have kids and tell people ‘don’t have kids’. So not exclusive to childfree people.

Jenepeuxpasdiscuteravecdesstupides · 02/06/2024 06:44

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And children don't smell, and are never annoying?

OptimismvsRealism · 02/06/2024 06:57

My experience (topical for me as I'm staying with family this weekend) is that my adult relationships with friends and family have been spoilt when they've had kids. They change from someone I enjoy spending time with to someone who makes me sit while they're dealing with their offspring and I try to pretend not to be bored and stressed by the noise.

So.... It's probably a selfish reaction by them. You're fine - you made the right decision for you and you should feel confident in it. But you're now a lot less fun from their point of view, they've lost the old version of you and they're (ironically) having a passagg tantrum about it every now and then.

Tinkerbot · 02/06/2024 06:57

I think there is an issue where people want and hope to have children but as they don't have a steady partner can be sneering or make a point of NOt wanting them. It's a bluff.
People and their blooming dogs - their lives revolve around them and are v tying if you live on your own.

OptimismvsRealism · 02/06/2024 06:59

Tinkerbot · 02/06/2024 06:57

I think there is an issue where people want and hope to have children but as they don't have a steady partner can be sneering or make a point of NOt wanting them. It's a bluff.
People and their blooming dogs - their lives revolve around them and are v tying if you live on your own.

It's maybe that sometimes. But a lot of child free people, as you can imagine, hate child stuff and it's very difficult to find a shared way forward.

ViciousCurrentBun · 02/06/2024 07:02

I have a very long term friend who never wanted children, I have known here since she was about 22 and she is now 46. She is a lovely person and has a couple of nephew's who she spoils and talks about, she always bought my DS birthday gifts when he was little. She remains very happy with her choice.

I met a woman at a hiking group, similar age to my friend. Seemed to be going along well then out on a walk a very small child spoke to us. The Mum ran over and apologised but all this little girl had just said hello how are you with a very sweet smile. The woman then had a rant about how much she couldn’t stand children. People don’t need to be interested in children at all but anyone who declares they hate children is not someone I want to know.

OptimismvsRealism · 02/06/2024 07:04

ViciousCurrentBun · 02/06/2024 07:02

I have a very long term friend who never wanted children, I have known here since she was about 22 and she is now 46. She is a lovely person and has a couple of nephew's who she spoils and talks about, she always bought my DS birthday gifts when he was little. She remains very happy with her choice.

I met a woman at a hiking group, similar age to my friend. Seemed to be going along well then out on a walk a very small child spoke to us. The Mum ran over and apologised but all this little girl had just said hello how are you with a very sweet smile. The woman then had a rant about how much she couldn’t stand children. People don’t need to be interested in children at all but anyone who declares they hate children is not someone I want to know.

That's not about hating children (a lot of people do, just as a lot of people hate dogs, and we're allowed to!) it's about being weird and rude. We all have to keep some thoughts private sometimes!!

Catsmere · 02/06/2024 07:11

Heh. Only person I know who uses the term crotch goblin uses it exclusively to joke about her own child, usually "plague-ridden crotch-goblin" when he's caught yet another bug at daycare!

I'm way past the age when my contemporaries would be having children, but do get the endless talk about grandchildren and find it extremely boring. Yes, of course they love their children and grandchildren. No, their children and grandchildren are not fascinating to complete strangers, least of all when said parents and grandparents know those strangers don't want anything to do with children. However I would also not make demeaning remarks about them to their parents. It's just hard to summon up any interest. I'd rather the dog pictures, and I'm not a dog person. Cats for me.

Pleaselettheholidayend · 02/06/2024 07:20

I had kids first put of my friends and it does put a weird dividing line between you for a while. I felt like an odd spectacle, who they were observing in confused terror while they weighed up the pros and cons lol.

None of my firmed have ever been as rude as yours though and do extend the effort to include my kids to social events, where possible (obviously not always!). They also take and interest in my kids and as they have started having kids I have too - I like my friends and I like their mini people too!

The dog shit is weird - do they realise they have essentially opted to care for an 18 month old forever? Never learn to talks and always have to pick their crap up? I don't get it

fieldsofbutterflies · 02/06/2024 07:26

I have no children and have precisely zero interest in anyone else's.

However I love animals, work with them everyday and could talk to someone for hours about dog training or reactivity or a whole number of other things.

I don't think it's particularly realistic to expect a group of animal lovers who don't want children to be interested in your baby learning to walk. I genuinely wouldn't know what to say if someone told me that 😂

MaryMaryVeryContrary · 02/06/2024 07:27

I agree. I know a handful of child free people who don’t just go about their lives but seem to be on a mission to make parents feel like shit for having children. One has a ‘cats not children’ campaign going, the others constantly say how happy they are to be child free and how we are killing the planet, spending all our time wiping arses and must be SO unhappy to have the horrors that are children. They seem to think they’re cleverer, more enlightened and sophisticated people, but it’s strange because at least one of them really wanted kids until they were too old and unable to do so.

Of course most child free people I know are NOT like this but some definitely are. I think they’re jealous, personally - they didn’t have the guts to go through with it so now need to convince themselves being a parent is awful anyway.

Nottodaythankyou123 · 02/06/2024 07:30

My oldest friend is very anti children (fair enough) so I’ve never taken my DD to meet ups etc, made sure to arrange childcare but when they did meet when my DD was 1 she called her “it” and looked at her with such disgust that I haven’t seen her since. Couldn’t care less if you don’t want kids/don’t like kids/don’t want to be around them but to be so bloody rude is out of order. You wouldn’t speak of an adult like that, so why is it acceptable for children 🤷🏼‍♀️

Nottodaythankyou123 · 02/06/2024 07:33

fieldsofbutterflies · 02/06/2024 07:26

I have no children and have precisely zero interest in anyone else's.

However I love animals, work with them everyday and could talk to someone for hours about dog training or reactivity or a whole number of other things.

I don't think it's particularly realistic to expect a group of animal lovers who don't want children to be interested in your baby learning to walk. I genuinely wouldn't know what to say if someone told me that 😂

I think it’s one thing to not be interested and another to be remotely rude. Take kids out of it - we all have different interests - my BiL is interested in military history, it’s not my thing personally but I show an interest. Isn’t that just what adults do if it’s someone they like, show an interest in their interest, even if it’s not something that interests them.
Only seems to be kids people are so weird about 😂

Saschka · 02/06/2024 07:35

OptimismvsRealism · 02/06/2024 07:04

That's not about hating children (a lot of people do, just as a lot of people hate dogs, and we're allowed to!) it's about being weird and rude. We all have to keep some thoughts private sometimes!!

The point is that IP’s friends aren’t keeping their thoughts private! They are telling her, the child in question’s mother, how much they hate children.

OP it’s weird and rude, and you should find new friends who aren’t dickheads. DH has a couple of friends like this, it’s not the only topic they are dickheads about, and I avoid them. I have childfree friends who are nothing like this.

Thewildthingsarewithme · 02/06/2024 07:37

I went to a cafe recently where the queue was about 20 deep, I had my objectively very cute three week old with me. The man in front of me had a puppy. As he left every person on the queue squealed and cooed and gushed over this puppy so loudly and excessively that they all laughed at themselves, I then walked out with my human baby who was barely even glanced at 😂 i

BookishFran · 02/06/2024 07:40

I think anyone who is openly rude about something important to you isn't a very nice friend, simple as. Be that about your kid/dog/toy train collection.

Friendship is a give and take. If you want to stay friends with these people, tell them outright that them speaking like that upsets you. Their choice to either pack it in and keep their pal or let you go - off to make new friends who are more respectful!

For what it's worth, I'm child free by choice (10y partner, v secure) and I've never been so rude to my close friends with children. I've fed them from bottles and helped with nappies because I love my friend. There is a certain amount of grief you feel around any life change, a missing of "how it once was" but life always changes. So again, give and take to keep your friendship alive. I sit in many a living room watching miss rachel and my friends get the odd babysitter and come out to the pub (they just don't drink as breastfeeding).

Saschka · 02/06/2024 07:40

Catsmere · 02/06/2024 07:11

Heh. Only person I know who uses the term crotch goblin uses it exclusively to joke about her own child, usually "plague-ridden crotch-goblin" when he's caught yet another bug at daycare!

I'm way past the age when my contemporaries would be having children, but do get the endless talk about grandchildren and find it extremely boring. Yes, of course they love their children and grandchildren. No, their children and grandchildren are not fascinating to complete strangers, least of all when said parents and grandparents know those strangers don't want anything to do with children. However I would also not make demeaning remarks about them to their parents. It's just hard to summon up any interest. I'd rather the dog pictures, and I'm not a dog person. Cats for me.

But if their children are old enough to have children themselves, they must be adults. So that isn’t you not wanting to have anything to do with children, it’s you not wanting to know anything about their wider families.

Do you extend that to not talking about your own partner? Or your siblings or parents? Or is that somehow completely different?

TootGoesTheOwl · 02/06/2024 07:40

I have kids & dogs.
I can't take anyone seriously when they say they love their dog as much as they would a child.
Firstly, you have no children so how do you know that you love little Fifi as much as you would your own human baby?
Secondly, no matter how much you love them little Fifi is still a bloody dog (yes, another species entirely separate to your own went through pregnancy, birth and child rearing just for you to carry on with your delusions of parenthood!) It doesn't do most dogs any favours being treated like a human child, so your also a crap dog owner as well!

Emeraldsrock · 02/06/2024 07:40

I would Suspect that some of this is coming from a place of pain. Maybe not all of them. Some might just be dicks who can’t abide being friends with someone who has a different lifestyle to them.

Keep pushing on the mum friend front. Ask yourself are you being a bit snobby about it yourself? Are you expecting the mums you meet to come from the same sort of social circle? Perhaps expand your horizons a bit. You will get another opportunity to make mum friends when your child starts school.

TheaBrandt · 02/06/2024 07:40

It’s just flat out rude and horrible to say insulting things to a persons face about someone they love. So weird that is is remotely socially acceptable about children.

Op you will find your mum friends in due course I hope.

As for the pp whose “oldest friend” calls her Dd it - she needs to be dumped asap.

fieldsofbutterflies · 02/06/2024 07:41

@Nottodaythankyou123 I mean, I'd show an interest in the sense that I'd say "aw, she's cute" or "oh, I bet you're pleased toilet training is over" but that would be the extent of it.

Using your military history example - DH could talk for hours about fishing but it doesn't interest me in the slightest and I wouldn't sit and listen to him go on either -
I'd send him round to talk to his dad 😂

Reluct · 02/06/2024 07:43

I don’t think they want you to dislike having a child, they’re just not interested in children themselves. I’m parent to a 21yo, he’s the light of my life but I’ve never been maternal. I fuss over the few babies I meet but just because it’s the expected thing to do. Would much rather play with a dog.