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To complain about “gender identity” question on a registration form

358 replies

Manhere2024 · 01/06/2024 09:36

Man here. I just tried to fill in a form sent out by a charity, but one of the questions was:

“Is your gender identity the same as the gender you were assigned at birth?”

I tried ignoring it, but it’s not possible to submit the form without answering this question.

So I emailed them saying that I don’t believe in gender identity theory, & it’s discriminatory for them not to give an option for those of us who are gender critical. I have asked if they can change the form, or handle my registration in another way.

I think they’ll be surprised, and perhaps I’ve embarrassed myself. But I won’t go along with something I consider to be harmful and wrong.

AIBU? What will likely happen next?

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SirAlfredSpatchcock · 01/06/2024 12:06

SirAlfredSpatchcock · 01/06/2024 11:53

I don't see why they should think the person tasked with trying to complete THEIR poorly-devised, accurate and unfit-for-purpose form is somehow the one being stupid.

Too late to edit - obviously meant to say INaccurate.

GailBlancheViola · 01/06/2024 12:06

I think it matters when posters are annoying and clog up the boards, yes.

Clogging up the Board? Really?

Of course it’s a disingenuous question. He has a strong sense how he feels on the issue. He took action on it which he agreed with. What is the question he is looking to answer on the AIBU board?

Nothing disingenuous about his question, certainly no more than a good 90% of AIBU threads.

It belongs on the sex and gender discussions board. OP posting it here is yet more evidence of performative posting.

Do you police every other thread on AIBU to make sure it is worthy of AIBU or be shunted off to another Board? Do you regularly police where and when people can speak and what about?

It is obvious from the title what the thread is about no-one forced you to open it, you chose to do so, you could have ignored it.

GabriellaMontez · 01/06/2024 12:11

Didimum · 01/06/2024 11:56

I think it matters when posters are annoying and clog up the boards, yes.

Of course it’s a disingenuous question. He has a strong sense how he feels on the issue. He took action on it which he agreed with. What is the question he is looking to answer on the AIBU board?

It belongs on the sex and gender discussions board. OP posting it here is yet more evidence of performative posting.

Wtf are you ? Board police?

Report it if it breaks guidelines. Don't look if it annoys you.

The rest of us can decide for ourselves.

TeaGinandFags · 01/06/2024 12:14

Cattyisbatty · 01/06/2024 09:49

Just tick yes - this would matter in a clinical setting.

Wrong!

SEX matters in a clinical setting.

ilovesooty · 01/06/2024 12:15

Aussieland · 01/06/2024 09:40

So the answer for you is yes. Easy. I don’t see why it affects you in any way apart from ticking a box.

Exactly. I don't see why people can't just answer the question. For most people the answer is yes anyway.

DaisyHaites · 01/06/2024 12:15

Begaydocrime94 · 01/06/2024 10:47

You’re perfectly entitled to not receive the help from the charity if you don’t agree with a tickbox on their form.
feel free to continue complaining and sending emails protesting stuff like this, gen z have the biggest % of people who identify as queer etc and none of it is going to stop because people can’t handle that the landscape is changing.
stop trying to change the world to fit your worldview basically, it’s not going to happen. Soz xx

Do you mean to be so bigoted?

I find it really sad that a group who proclaims to be inclusive are so prejudicial against people who don’t have the same beliefs as them.

This is like having a question saying what’s your ethnicity: white or black? And then saying, well just pick the one you’re closest to. It’s not inclusive and wouldn’t be accepted.

It’s not so hard to have a box that says I don’t have a gender identity so that everyone can feel included.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 01/06/2024 12:17

Exactly. I don't see why people can't just answer the question. For most people the answer is yes anyway.

Have you even read the thread? How do you know most people have a 'gender identity'? What even is a gender identity?

ilovesooty · 01/06/2024 12:18

AhBiscuits · 01/06/2024 09:48

I'm surprised there was no
'I prefer not to say' option.

Yes that option should be there.

GailBlancheViola · 01/06/2024 12:18

The rest of us can decide for ourselves.

Oooh no, @GabriellaMontez Gender Ideologues cannot countenance anyone deciding for themselves they must do as they are told, believe what they are told to believe and speak in the required way.

ilovesooty · 01/06/2024 12:19

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 01/06/2024 12:17

Exactly. I don't see why people can't just answer the question. For most people the answer is yes anyway.

Have you even read the thread? How do you know most people have a 'gender identity'? What even is a gender identity?

Yes I've read the thread. I think there should be a prefer not to say option but personally it's not something I can get particularly bothered about.

5foot5 · 01/06/2024 12:19

Tunefultwix · 01/06/2024 10:29

How is it "pathetic" not to have a gender identity?
Plenty of people, especially women like myself, who were brought up to question and challenge sexist stereotypes and to know that males and females can have equal and diverse abilities, talents, tastes, skills, characteristics and lives, have, as a result, grown up without a gender identity and find the idea oppressive and regressive.

Hurray to this. I wish I had said this. I agree with every single word of your post.

DaisyHaites · 01/06/2024 12:19

ilovesooty · 01/06/2024 12:15

Exactly. I don't see why people can't just answer the question. For most people the answer is yes anyway.

And I don’t see why people with penises can’t just tick the male box when asked their sex.

But I’m happy for them to have a gender identity question if that helps them feel included and seen. All we are asking is for the same respect back, let me tick a box that says I don’t have a gender identity (and the answer isn’t yes for me, but it also isn’t no. It’s like asking “is your hope blue or red” without a “neither” or “not applicable” option, it’s just nonsense).

ShoAndSew · 01/06/2024 12:20

Darker · 01/06/2024 09:46

I think you should get over yourself.

and i think questions like this should do one.

If you think you have a gender identity that is different from your observable sex, and it is pertinent to whatever is going on there could be a supplementary, non mandatory tick box for that.

That way everyone is happy.

FOJN · 01/06/2024 12:25

ilovesooty · 01/06/2024 12:15

Exactly. I don't see why people can't just answer the question. For most people the answer is yes anyway.

10 years ago the question would not have been phrased the way it was. It has been changed to accommodate a minority group.

Now you assert that the answer, "for most people", would be yes. By your calculation those of us objecting are a minority (the poll begs to differ) but our views don't count because it opposes your ideological position.

Why do minority views count sometimes and not at others even when both views are entirely lawful?

GailBlancheViola · 01/06/2024 12:25

and i think questions like this should do one.

So do I, Gender Identity is not a protected characteristic, it is not defined, it is a load of nonsense that requires a belief in the quasi religion of Gender Ideology.

Didimum · 01/06/2024 12:26

GailBlancheViola · 01/06/2024 12:06

I think it matters when posters are annoying and clog up the boards, yes.

Clogging up the Board? Really?

Of course it’s a disingenuous question. He has a strong sense how he feels on the issue. He took action on it which he agreed with. What is the question he is looking to answer on the AIBU board?

Nothing disingenuous about his question, certainly no more than a good 90% of AIBU threads.

It belongs on the sex and gender discussions board. OP posting it here is yet more evidence of performative posting.

Do you police every other thread on AIBU to make sure it is worthy of AIBU or be shunted off to another Board? Do you regularly police where and when people can speak and what about?

It is obvious from the title what the thread is about no-one forced you to open it, you chose to do so, you could have ignored it.

Why do the other boards exist if not to host these questions?

’Policing’ 🙄 another lazy MN term for someone being disagreed with.

Graciiee · 01/06/2024 12:26

WeAllHaveWings · 01/06/2024 10:58

I have no religion. Answering the question either yes or no is inaccurate if you do not believe in religion in any form.

I have no religion. Answering yes for me would mean I still have no religion, same as always.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 01/06/2024 12:30

Why do the other boards exist if not to host these questions?

I've just had a look at AIBU, the first three I can see are clearly health/medical related. There is more than one health board. I trust you are about to take yourself over there and say so?

HooverTheRoof · 01/06/2024 12:35

They didn't ask about your sex though, they asked about your gender.

GailBlancheViola · 01/06/2024 12:35

Policing’ 🙄 another lazy MN term for someone being disagreed with.

You are not disagreeing with the post or posters you are demanding that the thread be moved to another part of the site and for what reason?

There are threads upon threads on AIBU that could be on other Boards do you go subject them to the same treatment as this one or do you just scroll on by?

What particularly is it about this thread that you feel people shouldn't sully their eyes by reading and engaging if they want to?

GrumpyPanda · 01/06/2024 12:37

Darker · 01/06/2024 11:20

I’m a woman.

As a cis woman who hasn’t experienced this I feel curious, occasionally baffled, sometimes clumsy, but never uncomfortable because of how they identify themselves.

And I can live with myself because I’ve never tried to make the trans people in my life uncomfortable, or scared, or humiliated, or in any was ‘less’.

Feel free to belittle yourself as a "cis woman" - somebody who identifies with the gender stereotypes imposed on her sex, somebody who's a subgroup of her own sex. Just please don't impose the cis slur on others.

GailBlancheViola · 01/06/2024 12:40

HooverTheRoof · 01/06/2024 12:35

They didn't ask about your sex though, they asked about your gender.

Which makes it even more of a nonsense.

No-one is assigned anything at birth either a sex or a gender.

The question presupposes a belief in Gender Ideology.

RDMPrules · 01/06/2024 12:40

Cattyisbatty · 01/06/2024 09:49

Just tick yes - this would matter in a clinical setting.

Nobody's belief in gender identity has any bearing on their clinical treatment. Their biological sex, observed at or before birth does.

GrumpyPanda · 01/06/2024 12:42

Didimum · 01/06/2024 11:56

I think it matters when posters are annoying and clog up the boards, yes.

Of course it’s a disingenuous question. He has a strong sense how he feels on the issue. He took action on it which he agreed with. What is the question he is looking to answer on the AIBU board?

It belongs on the sex and gender discussions board. OP posting it here is yet more evidence of performative posting.

So anyone who doesn't open a poll on AIBU should be moved to Chat?

Manhere2024 · 01/06/2024 12:44

I would have preferred the charity’s appplication form questions were phrased like this:

  1. What is your sex - M or F?
  2. Do you have a gender identity?
  3. If yes, does it correspond with your sex?

So in my case, I could have answered M, no, then moved on to the next section.

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