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To complain about “gender identity” question on a registration form

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Manhere2024 · 01/06/2024 09:36

Man here. I just tried to fill in a form sent out by a charity, but one of the questions was:

“Is your gender identity the same as the gender you were assigned at birth?”

I tried ignoring it, but it’s not possible to submit the form without answering this question.

So I emailed them saying that I don’t believe in gender identity theory, & it’s discriminatory for them not to give an option for those of us who are gender critical. I have asked if they can change the form, or handle my registration in another way.

I think they’ll be surprised, and perhaps I’ve embarrassed myself. But I won’t go along with something I consider to be harmful and wrong.

AIBU? What will likely happen next?

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FOJN · 01/06/2024 09:58

I have no problem with an optional question about gender identity to accommodate those of the gender faith but I take serious issue with "gender assigned at birth". It's bullshit and needs calling out.

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 01/06/2024 09:58

I’d write my SEX (F) was observed at birth.

Manhere2024 · 01/06/2024 09:59

LlynTegid · 01/06/2024 09:57

There should always be a prefer not to say option.

But I’m quite happy to say what I have to say, which is that gender identity goes against my sincerely held belief system.

“Prefer not to say” wouldn’t cover that.

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AlisonDonut · 01/06/2024 10:00

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NotbloodyGivingupYet · 01/06/2024 10:01

Echobelly · 01/06/2024 09:55

Or you could just fill it in and get on with your life?

Or he could make a stand. Despotism thrives when people allow bollocks like this to pass unchallenged. I can't imagine why this company needs to know someone's gender identity. What about people who feel they have one but don't feel comfortable making it known how they feel? What about people who think there is no such thing? It's an unnecessary, intrusive question if you believe in GI. It's an unnecessary load of shite if you don't.

NeedToKnow101 · 01/06/2024 10:03

We had this at a staff EDI survey at work. It was the first question. Loads of us couldn't fill it in because no option to say 'I don't have a gender identity.'

Elaan · 01/06/2024 10:04

I don't have a gender as I'm not religious. I always tick other and write an essay in gender ideology being misogynistic and based on social stereotypes. And the sex is real and binary.

VickyEadieofThigh · 01/06/2024 10:05

Rainbowshit · 01/06/2024 09:44

Good for you. The more people that push back on this quasi religious nonsense the better.

You could also raise gdpr with them. They shouldn't be collecting unnecessary data. Gender identity is not a protected characteristic. Sex is.

Indeed.

VickyEadieofThigh · 01/06/2024 10:06

Aussieland · 01/06/2024 09:40

So the answer for you is yes. Easy. I don’t see why it affects you in any way apart from ticking a box.

What if there was a question demanding to know what religion you followed and no option to ignore it or prefer not to say?

WaitingForMojo · 01/06/2024 10:07

YABU. What will happen next is that the person reading it will roll their eyes and think you’re pathetic. HTH.

PlayBo · 01/06/2024 10:07

I hate all these race/gender/sexuality questions. I always say prefer not to say. But of course, it’s creeping in that you HAVE to say.

Itsthedress · 01/06/2024 10:16

Yes I think YWBU.

It’s one thing to be pro- sex based rights and maintaining single sex bathrooms and prisons etc. Or to be against the teaching of gender theory to school children.

But fully grown adults still have the right to dress however they like and call themselves by whatever name they please, do they not? Free also to have gender reassignment surgery should they wish. And so asking the gender identity question is legitimate.
Getting your knickers in a twist about it just makes you look bigoted.

heathspeedwell · 01/06/2024 10:23

The problem is that questions like this are normalising a fringe belief that is incredibly harmful to women and girls.

The Cass review has shown that currently girls who think they might be trans outnumber boys six to one. So it's obviously not like being gay or left handed. And if those girls take testosterone it is likely to make them incontinent within a few years.

Safeguarding children and young people is everyone's responsibility.

EmpressaurusDeiGatti · 01/06/2024 10:26

Itsthedress · 01/06/2024 10:16

Yes I think YWBU.

It’s one thing to be pro- sex based rights and maintaining single sex bathrooms and prisons etc. Or to be against the teaching of gender theory to school children.

But fully grown adults still have the right to dress however they like and call themselves by whatever name they please, do they not? Free also to have gender reassignment surgery should they wish. And so asking the gender identity question is legitimate.
Getting your knickers in a twist about it just makes you look bigoted.

For that question to work it needs to have a ‘no gender identity’ option. I’d personally prefer a ‘gender is sexist bollocks’ option but I’m prepared to compromise.

Katemax82 · 01/06/2024 10:28

Every bloody form is like this lately

Tunefultwix · 01/06/2024 10:29

WaitingForMojo · 01/06/2024 10:07

YABU. What will happen next is that the person reading it will roll their eyes and think you’re pathetic. HTH.

How is it "pathetic" not to have a gender identity?
Plenty of people, especially women like myself, who were brought up to question and challenge sexist stereotypes and to know that males and females can have equal and diverse abilities, talents, tastes, skills, characteristics and lives, have, as a result, grown up without a gender identity and find the idea oppressive and regressive.

Tunefultwix · 01/06/2024 10:32

Itsthedress · 01/06/2024 10:16

Yes I think YWBU.

It’s one thing to be pro- sex based rights and maintaining single sex bathrooms and prisons etc. Or to be against the teaching of gender theory to school children.

But fully grown adults still have the right to dress however they like and call themselves by whatever name they please, do they not? Free also to have gender reassignment surgery should they wish. And so asking the gender identity question is legitimate.
Getting your knickers in a twist about it just makes you look bigoted.

Surely we have the right not to have a gender identity, then? It's bigoted to prevent someone applying to a charity if they don't have one, by not allowing for that possibility on the form!

Manhere2024 · 01/06/2024 10:34

I’ll remember to update this thread when I’ve had their response.

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MimiGC · 01/06/2024 10:37

Always push back on this this insidious nonsense on forms. There's usually a free text box somewhere on a form, often right at the end. I use that. Yes, the person reading it might roll their eyes, but if enough people do it, consistently over time, it might make a difference in the end. And if it doesn't, there's no harm done in trying.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 01/06/2024 10:41

WaitingForMojo · 01/06/2024 10:07

YABU. What will happen next is that the person reading it will roll their eyes and think you’re pathetic. HTH.

Or as is the case in my organisation when we were told we had to use this, responses along the lines of “my gender wasn’t assigned” and “I don’t have a gender identity” enabled the staff to push back against the Board (one person in particular) who was gung ho about phrasing it that way. It’s now an optional rather than compulsory question and we ask people what their sex registered at birth was .

CerealPonderer · 01/06/2024 10:42

I've had very similar twice, but luckily both times were paper forms. I crossed the question out entirely and wrote 'Sex identified at birth: Female' in the space.

I don't care if anyone reading it rolled their eyes tbh. I'm not validating such nonsense in any capacity.

FOJN · 01/06/2024 10:43

Itsthedress · 01/06/2024 10:16

Yes I think YWBU.

It’s one thing to be pro- sex based rights and maintaining single sex bathrooms and prisons etc. Or to be against the teaching of gender theory to school children.

But fully grown adults still have the right to dress however they like and call themselves by whatever name they please, do they not? Free also to have gender reassignment surgery should they wish. And so asking the gender identity question is legitimate.
Getting your knickers in a twist about it just makes you look bigoted.

How does objecting to a mandatory question about gender identity, which offers no option to accurately record your own 'identity', prevent fully grown adults from wearing clothes of their choice or changing their name.

As others have said its like asking about religion, giving me the option to record myself as an atheist does not deny anyone else the right to worship any god of their choosing.

I think you are confused.

FruTbun · 01/06/2024 10:44

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To complain about “gender identity” question on a registration form
Begaydocrime94 · 01/06/2024 10:47

You’re perfectly entitled to not receive the help from the charity if you don’t agree with a tickbox on their form.
feel free to continue complaining and sending emails protesting stuff like this, gen z have the biggest % of people who identify as queer etc and none of it is going to stop because people can’t handle that the landscape is changing.
stop trying to change the world to fit your worldview basically, it’s not going to happen. Soz xx

99victoria · 01/06/2024 10:47

I was checking in for our flights with Easyjet yesterday and had to add my Advanced Passenger information. One of the mandatory questions was 'Gender- Male/Female'
It infuriates me - what they actually mean, of course, is Sex. Why do they put Gender? Especially when they only offer the options of Male or Female 🙄

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