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To complain about “gender identity” question on a registration form

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Manhere2024 · 01/06/2024 09:36

Man here. I just tried to fill in a form sent out by a charity, but one of the questions was:

“Is your gender identity the same as the gender you were assigned at birth?”

I tried ignoring it, but it’s not possible to submit the form without answering this question.

So I emailed them saying that I don’t believe in gender identity theory, & it’s discriminatory for them not to give an option for those of us who are gender critical. I have asked if they can change the form, or handle my registration in another way.

I think they’ll be surprised, and perhaps I’ve embarrassed myself. But I won’t go along with something I consider to be harmful and wrong.

AIBU? What will likely happen next?

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SerendipityJane · 04/06/2024 16:30

Manhere2024 · 04/06/2024 12:30

Here’s the reply from the charity:

We appreciate that this question may bring some discomfort for you, however due to our funding rules it is a question that needs to be answered.

Our funders removed feed all of our enrolment form questions in to us for enrolling our customers, and it is a requirement for us to know, as an education provider, the legal gender of our learners. Without a completed enrolment form we will not be able to enrol you on to our program and access this funding for you.

I apologise for this and do understand your query.

If you have any further queries please do let us know.”

I’m not sure if I should challenge it further, and if so what should I say.

Obviously it’d be easier just not to bother doing the course with this charity.

But surely they’re being discriminatory by not proving an option to give a gender critical answer to the gender question on their registration form.

TL;DR: "A big boy made me do it".

FFS.

FOJN · 04/06/2024 16:49

“Is your gender identity the same as the gender you were assigned at birth?”

The question does not accomplish their stated aim of ascertaining the 'legal gender' of their learners.

If sex and gender do not match then 'legal gender' can only be changed by applying for a GRC. Without a GRC your 'legal gender' remains the same as your sex observed and recorded at birth You are not allowed to ask to see someone's GRC and minors cannot apply for one. They are asking about 'self identified gender' which they are within their rights to do but self ID is not law and therefore does not change 'legal gender' and even if it was law a GRC would be required to obtain a new birth certificate.

It's depressing how many people fall back on " just following orders" without doing any research.

It is fair to say that funding is often contingent on organisations embracing gender ideology so they are doing what they need to to get funding.

FOJN · 04/06/2024 16:54

The Sex Matters website may have relevant information about what to do next if you would like to take it further.

sex-matters.org/

SerendipityJane · 04/06/2024 16:57

Is there a list of "legal" genders I can consult. I'd hate to discover I have an illegal gender. after all.

What do we do with people who don't have legal genders ? Do we surround them in the town square and poke them with rolled up copies of the Guardian ?

Where do I report illegal genders? Is there a hotline ?

FOJN · 04/06/2024 17:09

SerendipityJane · 04/06/2024 16:57

Is there a list of "legal" genders I can consult. I'd hate to discover I have an illegal gender. after all.

What do we do with people who don't have legal genders ? Do we surround them in the town square and poke them with rolled up copies of the Guardian ?

Where do I report illegal genders? Is there a hotline ?

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I know, not enough eye rolls in the world for the concept of 'legal gender', it's nonsense.

SerendipityJane · 04/06/2024 17:13

FOJN · 04/06/2024 17:09

I know, not enough eye rolls in the world for the concept of 'legal gender', it's nonsense.

Never ever say that in the earshot of the converted. You need to be uber-serious. Uber and over serious. It's the only way.

Here's an example from another walk of life where fairy stories are taken too seriously (careful you don't fall down a rabbit hole in this site - it features some stellar talent).

Sara Pascoe reads a hilarious letter asking for clarity on God's Law

At the turn of the century, the following letter was sent to Dr. Laura, a US radio personality who regularly and publicly deemed homosexuality to be a “mista...

https://youtu.be/dkw7VdYQzuE

Manhere2024 · 07/06/2024 10:30

I think if I did want to take this further, the next step would be to write directly to the Education and Skills Funding Agency, the local council, and the trade association. (I see the trade association has something about introducing a DEI policy on their homepage so they’ve likely been Stonewalled.)

In contacting them I wouldn’t need to mention the name of the small charity. I could just say that I’ve been unable to complete its registration form because I don’t believe in gender identity theory. Therefore I’m excluded from doing the course.

And to ask these three funding bodies to confirm that they require a believe in gender identity theory if you want to do any course with a charitable body that receives their funding? And if they consider that this is lawful in the wake of all the recent rulings and tribunals?

I could also write back to the charity telling them that I understand it’s not directly their fault, and so this is what I’m doing.

I’m not sure if I will bother, but it does irritate me that I’m being excluded from this course on the grounds of my sincerely held and lawful beliefs.

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VickyEadieofThigh · 07/06/2024 11:02

Manhere2024 · 07/06/2024 10:30

I think if I did want to take this further, the next step would be to write directly to the Education and Skills Funding Agency, the local council, and the trade association. (I see the trade association has something about introducing a DEI policy on their homepage so they’ve likely been Stonewalled.)

In contacting them I wouldn’t need to mention the name of the small charity. I could just say that I’ve been unable to complete its registration form because I don’t believe in gender identity theory. Therefore I’m excluded from doing the course.

And to ask these three funding bodies to confirm that they require a believe in gender identity theory if you want to do any course with a charitable body that receives their funding? And if they consider that this is lawful in the wake of all the recent rulings and tribunals?

I could also write back to the charity telling them that I understand it’s not directly their fault, and so this is what I’m doing.

I’m not sure if I will bother, but it does irritate me that I’m being excluded from this course on the grounds of my sincerely held and lawful beliefs.

You ought to mention what other pp have said - there's no such thing as "legal gender" and if they're using protected characteristics, the relevant ones in the Equality Act 2010 are sex and gender reassignment.

They're also not supposed to ask such questions without telling you what they're doing with the information.

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