That women should not have to share changing rooms with men

[WandsOut]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13459927/NHS-chiefs-legal-action-female-nurses-changing-room-transgender.html

This is absolutely horrific and probably the first of many cases we will see now. Please read the article in full but this alone is appalling. The response by their HR should be noted because that is what is going to happen to every woman who complains about this if we keep allowing these fraudulent men to get away with what they want.

One of the nurses told The Mail on Sunday: 'We don't feel safe because we strip down to our underwear and [the individual] doesn't just stay by his locker. 'He walks around the changing room in his boxer shorts.'
Another nurse said she was 'close to tears' during one incident in the changing room.
She said: 'I was rummaging in my bag trying to find my lanyard and keys for the locker when a man's voice behind me said, 'Are you not getting changed yet?' 'I found my keys and opened my locker and I was asked again, 'Are you not getting changed yet?'.'
The woman, who was sexually abused as a child, has posttraumatic stress disorder and struggles to be alone around men. She said: 'He stood there, two metres away from me, with a scrub top on and with tight black boxer shorts with holes in them and asked a third time whether I was getting changed yet.
'Flight or fight mode kicked in but I felt glued to my seat, I could not move. 'My hands started to sweat. I was petrified and felt sick and began hyperventilating.'
In March, 26 nurses wrote to management saying that the transgender nurse 'has made no secret' of the fact that 'he has stopped taking female hormones and is trying to inseminate his female partner'.
AIBU to suggest NOW is the time to wake up, en masse and stop allowing BE KIND to be a mantra that allows predatory men access to women at their most vulnerable.

Labour are the only party saying they will bring in self id (effectively). So no.

Young girls transitioned in massive numbers, comparatively. Girls transitioning increased %4000 over I think 5 years.

As the power differential is in mens favour, it's not as worrisome for men with trans men in the mens single sex spaces.
Plus if prison is on the cards, trans men are put in the female estate for their safety. While transwomen are routinely place in the female estate.

The more sunlight the better.

Well I will be voting Reform. They are the only party that will change stop all this woke madness.

Yes, this is terrible that this can happen and has been allowed under a tory government.

So they are no better than the Labour government coming in so we have to vote on other issues that are important to us, while the tories have shown us what they think of women, allowing men in our spaces already, they have had long enough to stop this and opted not to .....yes yes yes "but now look at them, tories would stop it or make it better if they stayed in" ....no they had their chance and failed us. Words account for nothing, actions are important, and they failed us....time and time again.

But yes, it's a disgrace.

Do you think this will just help out Labour?

It’s difficult with FPTP for the vote to get MPs

I don’t think so it’s a news story and actually could be an important outcome

And you can just hide the thread if too much

@tigger

Where Labour say they will ‘protect women’s spaces’, it means Nothing - since Labour think men can be women. And legally that ‘will’ be the case.

Just like people can buy sick notes on the web, if Labour get in, predatory men will be able to get ‘I’m legally a woman notes’.

That is a disgrace.

So they are no better than the Labour government coming in so we have to vote on other issues that are important to us

That's not true though. The Tories ARE better than Labour on this particular issue as Labour is going to make it even easier than it is already for any male who wants a GRC and therefore access to women's spaces to get one.

That's easy to say, and hard to do. The culture in the NHS is rabidly pro trans, it's a brave nurse with bills to pay who tries to stand up against management telling her she's a bigot.

Just like the girls on sports teams in the US who risk losing their scholarships if they object to men in the teams, or women like Lynn Pinches losing a title she'd worked and trained for, or women needing rape crisis services turned away as not suitable because they want to be assured there will only be women there. It should not be the women who have to walk out, these services are not for males, the males should not be there, it is them that should have to leave.

It’s not right no and the whole transgender thing is an issue where this kind of thing happens

So yes it's wrong this is happening

But talking about a new case reported on it happening is unreasonable?

Please explain why?
Am I being unreasonable to think that the reason this keeps happening is because not enough people know about it and aren't putting enough pressure on the powers to be.

So am I being unreasonable, really? Or is a thread on Mumsnet more offensive than nurses being preyed on by a predatory man who says he is a woman?

Exactly. Everyone knows this is wrong.

Why on EARTH do some people not want it talked about?

Are women's rights so unimportant to them that they'd prefer it glossed over and predatory men given free reign?

Some people need to have a long hard look at themselves.

I'm almost certain Labour will get in this time. But I can't bring myself to vote Tory ever again, my principles just won't allow it because they are not acting as proper conservatives. I am hoping enough people vote Reform to show how fed up a lot of us are with the current choices.

YANBU

A hospital is not staffed by one sex.

Are you being deliberately goady?

@Winnading cannot get assurance that an intimate and fairly distressing personal examination where she is half naked will be conducted by a woman.
What can't you understand about that?

She may have been raped, abused, whatever. Nothing may have happened. I don't care. She is a woman and therefore deserves to have such examinations performed by a woman.

Or are you in the "I'm OK about it, so all women must be OK about it" camp?

@Winnading just re-read my response.
Please don't take it I meant I don't care what might have happened to you!

Hopefully you knew what I meant!

I complete understand but no hospital can promise that staff are male or female. Tbh be happy if NHS is staffed...

This is employer sanctioned sexual abuse of those female nurses.

This nonsense has to stop.

My understanding is that you can (or could) specify for something like intimate care.

Except that now we're supposed to accept a 'TW' for such a function if they say they're a woman. To hell with the patient's desire for sake sex care.

Same sex care

This, with bells on.

@MumChp as stated, you have the right to for intimate care.
However when the NHS consider men as women, despite what they are meant to, it leaves traumatised vulnerable no choice but to avoid services.

Is that inclusive?

@Bunnyasmyname

Oh yes if a member of staff is what you request. If not. Wait til next skift and try your luck.