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AIBU to feel this will happen un a Labour government???

From what I see and IMO, the Labour lot on the whole believe in aspirations but only for themselves

Older people will vividly recall the the hideous tax rates under labour - between 1974 and 1979 the paye tax rate was up to 80%. Then there was a tax on top of that for so-called higher earners of 18%. This equated to 98%

I don't trust Labour, nor do I trust the Torties. Liberals, IMO they will sell your soul down the river to get a sniff at number 10

As I said I don't trust any of them. But if you are working, worked hard, been prudent with your money and have savings, decent private pensions in the pipeline and possibly a property or two that you have worked for, for your retirement and not wasting your money and want to leave some behind for your kids, GC etc rather than throw it away on the hand to mouth life - then if Labour comes into power, you are totally and truly F'd

Labour rants they will do this and the other - the last time they almost bankrupted England,

If you are working hard being prudent with your money and made sacrifices to send your kids to a private school as many Labour MP's do on pay at almost 100k - they are eager to put VAT on this part of education. The MPS whose pay is a couple of times above average pay will be able to afford it - will you??

Me, my family, relatives have all worked hard, not on benefits, never lived in social housing and not thrown our money away but been prudent to be self-sufficient and pay our taxes to support our country. If you are like us, then trust me, under Labour, you will be shafted hard.

I'm not sure if I will vote tory or an independent but this circus of Tories and Labour taking turns to lie to the nation is not on and yes, most politicians lie and will lie and say anything to get into number 10 and if your feel that is not true, then you must be on another planet

Why haven't they put this funding into state education?

That is a good question, why have the Conservatives not funded the state school properly during their 14 years in power?

Yes why ? Or are you directing this question to me ? Am I conservative MP according to you?

I was just agreeing with your question

I assumed you meant the current government with 'they'

Yes I meant current government. I assume Labour will invest a little more into state sector but it won't be because of VAT.

And sorry I didn't mean to be snappy , it's just tiring that every time I criticise Labour I'm being accused of loving Tories so a bit of chip on the shoulder 😅

When it comes to flying in private jet , I don't care, good for you. I really don't care as long as you don't tell me that my hardworking family on average income doesn't deserve subsided childcare, or doesn't deserve bursaries because we are too well off according to rich, private educated social climber!

You mean Rishi Sunak here, yes?

In my home country fees on small private schools are not only tax free but government subsidies them to make them affordable. Shock horror.

Shock horror, we are not your home country and we get to choose our government based on what we think is best for our country.

Why are you so wanting to keep the conservatives in government after all the damage and harm they have done?

Why are you making stuff up?

No I didn't. I don't keep track of people flying in private jets.

If you think that Keir Starmer is a rich privately educated social climber, you really haven't been paying attention.

They will use the VAT to invest in the state school sector

The Institute for Fiscal Studies (IFS) has said the policy will generate roughly £1.5bn a year, which Labour has said it will use to pay for 6,500 more teachers – one of its key election pledges.

“This funding will also help pay for mental health support staff in every school, working to boost the wellbeing of young people, many of whom are still suffering the effects of lockdown,” Labour has said

Which part of your quote did I make up?

Dropped the mask for a second and showed yourself.

Around 10-15 millions net worth. Not rich by any means is he ? Not privately educated either? Good for him but then he shouldn't tell middle class families they are rich enough to pay £2000 childcare a month.

Which part of it you didn't make up?

Childcare is a different policy to Private School VAT

They were also against subsided childcare.

I don't have a problem with people being rich, actually. Keir Starmer wasn't born rich though. He was part privately educated when the grammar school he got into went private but chose not to charge existing pupils until age 16. You really should read up on him, he isn't who you (conveniently) think he is, and he certainly wasn't born with a silver spoon in his mouth, unlike our present PM.

I hope you are also aware that there are millions of families out there who have two parents working full time but who would never be able to afford private education for their children. Private education is a luxury - as has been pointed out, the majority of children with SEN are in state education and inadequately provided for.

You really think I haven't seen it? I realy try not to comment on issues I'm not familiar with.
Their figures are wrong. They don't account for pupils who will not enroll and cost government money, they underestimate how many will leave. How many people will lose jobs. Attacking private education will make UK even more unattractive for foreign investors. Again costing government money.
They have no accountability for holes in the policy and they are reckless about consequences because its mainly about ideology.

Of course they will probably put a little more money in state sector and will no doubt attribute it to the success of VAT policy.

@Bibi12 you say the figures are wrong - so please provide some links explaining why.

I already outlined reasons above .
There is going to be very little gain.
State schools need to be funded properly and that can be achieved by other means.

This policy is mainly ideological.

Where and when have they said that?

I asked for links, not 'what you think will happen'. I'd rather believe the IFS, they have actual experts on board.

In a parliament. Opposed both rollouts.

You have a link to that?

I wonder whether @Bibi12 means that Labour opposed the current government's utterly useless, unworkable plans for rolling out free childcare. Which, as far as I know, they did. Because the plans are useless and unworkable. This does not mean that Labour will not implement a different plan, which we can hope will be better and more workable.