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AIBU to feel this will happen un a Labour government???

From what I see and IMO, the Labour lot on the whole believe in aspirations but only for themselves

Older people will vividly recall the the hideous tax rates under labour - between 1974 and 1979 the paye tax rate was up to 80%. Then there was a tax on top of that for so-called higher earners of 18%. This equated to 98%

I don't trust Labour, nor do I trust the Torties. Liberals, IMO they will sell your soul down the river to get a sniff at number 10

As I said I don't trust any of them. But if you are working, worked hard, been prudent with your money and have savings, decent private pensions in the pipeline and possibly a property or two that you have worked for, for your retirement and not wasting your money and want to leave some behind for your kids, GC etc rather than throw it away on the hand to mouth life - then if Labour comes into power, you are totally and truly F'd

Labour rants they will do this and the other - the last time they almost bankrupted England,

If you are working hard being prudent with your money and made sacrifices to send your kids to a private school as many Labour MP's do on pay at almost 100k - they are eager to put VAT on this part of education. The MPS whose pay is a couple of times above average pay will be able to afford it - will you??

Me, my family, relatives have all worked hard, not on benefits, never lived in social housing and not thrown our money away but been prudent to be self-sufficient and pay our taxes to support our country. If you are like us, then trust me, under Labour, you will be shafted hard.

I'm not sure if I will vote tory or an independent but this circus of Tories and Labour taking turns to lie to the nation is not on and yes, most politicians lie and will lie and say anything to get into number 10 and if your feel that is not true, then you must be on another planet

I can’t believe that, not of the objective, neutral Telegraph.

If Keir Starmer is incapacitated (or replaced) is Angela Rayner prepared to press the nuclear button?

Ask her.

You posted a misleading article.
Rather than acknowledge that you decide to pose a different question which wasn't covered by the interviewer.

I posted;

Angela Rayner says she wants to rid the world of nuclear weapons.

Deputy Labour leader’s comments on multilateral disarmament come hours after Sir Keir Starmer says he is willing to use the deterrent.

Seems accurate to me.

"we are absolutely committed to nuclear defence, we have our triple lock, we have our three programmes. First of all we are committed to trident into the future”

Why wouldn’t anyone think multilateral disarmament a good thing?

Exactly.

Priciples come first, everyone else last.

Who is the tory parties current deputy leader (there have been so many) and would they push the button?

Will they still be an MP on July 5th?

The IFS on 14 years of Tory

https://x.com/TheIFS/status/1797613540804894907

Wow @DuncinToffee
That’s stark when you see it written down like that.

This, and the figures on poverty are what really matters - not a weird obsession with income tax rates from 50 years ago, nor character-trouncing of Angela Rayner, nor calling out Keir Starmer as a hypocrite when we've had a string of deplorable immoral Tory PMs who have lined the pockets of their dodgy friends.
Anyone voting for the Tories given the absolute state of the economy is a deeply unpatriotic nihilist.

I'd love to hear Sunak explain that away.

I've looked at policies of both parties and what they will actually mean and not what they promise. There isn't too much difference.

Labour will benefit from factors outside of government's influence as the world stabilises after covid and war in Ukraine etc. They might be better with long term planning but also more willing to ignore facts and consequences in favour of ideology. Prime example is VAT on private education which really comes down to "if people on benefits can't send their children then middle class shouldn't either ".
No matter the cost and fallout, there always will be incentive to some form of leveling down and state dependency for Labour. In the end it keeps people voting for them. They said middle class kids from private schools can just go to inadequate state schools as there are places there. No empathy for children, often with special needs who's lives will be turned upside down. No care for private schools having to reduce vital support for their communities and dropping bursaries. Let's make them into businesses and just for the rich.
All that while they fly around in their private helicopters and calling themselves "working class ". Makes me want to vomit 🤢

Private schools are businesses. Businesses pay VAT.

If you're going to talk about pandering to ideology - well, we have a government that does nothing but.

And who's been doing more flying about in private jets and helicopters funded by donors?

No empathy for children, often with special needs who's lives will be turned upside down. No care for private schools having to reduce vital support for their communities

Firstly, the vast majority of SEND children are not in private schools. They're in mainstream and need more funding. I know too many private schools who won't touch SEND kids because they don't want to bring their stats down or put certain rich families off. And of course they are businesses so don't have the money to fund extra support for SEND kids - any cost for this gets passed on to parents.

It makes me really cross when people throw around this idea of SEND kids losing PS places, like it's really common.

Secondly what are PS doing for their communities? Only what parents pay for.

They are not businesses. They are schools. Used by parents who already pay tax on state education, then pay their own fees rather them costing government £8000 per year. Now they have to pay tax on those fees aswell?

What next, VAT on university fees, nurseries, tutoring? They are businesses. Maybe lets bring VAT on basic food, tampons -they are Businesses yet there is no added VAT to their products?

You simply have no understanding what Value added to product means and what is it's purpose.
In my home country fees on small private schools are not only tax free but government subsidies them to make them affordable. Shock horror. Somehow money on education is just prioritised, including free universities, without double taxing parents.

And what's the point of making schools run like business. Small family run will close. Bigger ones will just become more elitist and offer less bursaries and support to local schools and communities. So what's the flipping point!? There is no point other then "we hate people using private facilities and leveling themselves up because then we lose voters !"

When it comes to flying in private jet , I don't care, good for you. I really don't care as long as you don't tell me that my hardworking family on average income doesn't deserve subsided childcare, or doesn't deserve bursaries because we are too well off according to rich, private educated social climber!

Such a typical response - when the economy does better it won't be due to anything Labour did?! I suppose you think it's not the Tories fault that it's so bad at the moment as well.
Why do you use the term 'ideology' as if it's only the purview of Labour? The Tories also have an ideology, and just look at what it has done.
Plenty of ps parents on here have characterised their schools as businesses when people have asked why don't they lobby the schools themselves over the fees. So which is it?

Many private schools in my area are family run and cheaper then a nursery. Often parents just both work full time and make many sacrifices.

I agree that state schools need funding.

However this policy is NOT about funding for state schools. They know numbers won't add up, they know communities will miss out . For example my children's state school has an arrangement with local private one which offers it's facilities, swimming pool, laboratories, clubs etc. That will be gone and very little money coming in, if any.
Same school invests in bursaries and lower fees for many children. Now it will be only for the rich.

There is 100 of ways of getting funding for state education without doing harm to children and communities - better budgeting and improving economy or wealth tax.

This bill should not be put on the parents, yet it is for purely ideological reasons.

But hey it sounds great. So let's not educate ourselves on facts!

They are not businesses. They are schools

The two are not mutually exclusive.

I've worked in some private schools. Most definitely businesses. So much effort went into marketing and presenting the right image to win customers, and financially they had to make a profit.

Of course they have to make more money then they spend, otherwise they wouldn’t be viable. In any event there is no requirement for all businesses to charge VAT. They only need to charge VAT if they are making a VATable supply.

OK let's all vote for the disability hating covid partying and covid criminal that's rishi sunk and his lot why not eh .bloody hell you can't talk about 1974 ffs it's 50 years ago maggie a tory created hell after that sold off public services .christ .Mr Cameron took us out if the euro then buggered off the sinking ship they have fucked the nhs nick cleggs lot who would vote for a party that would sell there principles ..only two realistic parties if you want tories out you have to hold your breath and Hope for a better Labour government they can't be any worse than this jobs for the boys or girls in Michelle money case . The truth is all political parties and all mps think if themselves first them all with exception

VAT on product is not tax on Businesses, it's tax on consumers. It was never meant for education. Otherwise other countries would have it too.
Treating schools as other business harms communities, doesn't result in revenue increase and makes them more elitist. I already mentioned that. It does more harm then good.
Great ideological policy of envy and dependency on the state. That's all.

And don't be a hypocrite. Let's have VAT on nurseries and university fees. Then children's clubs and tutoring. They are businesses.

We either have VAT on all education or non. You can't pick and choose.

What about healthcare? That's a business. Let's put VAT. Bring more patients to NHS. 😂

Honestly it would be funny if it wasn't so stupid.

Let's not resurrect Tories everytime someone criticises Labour policies. It's just strawman argument.

The difference is this business saves government over 4 billion a year. That's a lot of money without even adding all charitable aspects. Why haven't they put this funding into state education?