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AIBU to feel this will happen un a Labour government???

From what I see and IMO, the Labour lot on the whole believe in aspirations but only for themselves

Older people will vividly recall the the hideous tax rates under labour - between 1974 and 1979 the paye tax rate was up to 80%. Then there was a tax on top of that for so-called higher earners of 18%. This equated to 98%

I don't trust Labour, nor do I trust the Torties. Liberals, IMO they will sell your soul down the river to get a sniff at number 10

As I said I don't trust any of them. But if you are working, worked hard, been prudent with your money and have savings, decent private pensions in the pipeline and possibly a property or two that you have worked for, for your retirement and not wasting your money and want to leave some behind for your kids, GC etc rather than throw it away on the hand to mouth life - then if Labour comes into power, you are totally and truly F'd

Labour rants they will do this and the other - the last time they almost bankrupted England,

If you are working hard being prudent with your money and made sacrifices to send your kids to a private school as many Labour MP's do on pay at almost 100k - they are eager to put VAT on this part of education. The MPS whose pay is a couple of times above average pay will be able to afford it - will you??

Me, my family, relatives have all worked hard, not on benefits, never lived in social housing and not thrown our money away but been prudent to be self-sufficient and pay our taxes to support our country. If you are like us, then trust me, under Labour, you will be shafted hard.

I'm not sure if I will vote tory or an independent but this circus of Tories and Labour taking turns to lie to the nation is not on and yes, most politicians lie and will lie and say anything to get into number 10 and if your feel that is not true, then you must be on another planet

Don't forget the curry & beer and the donkey field whilst you are at it

Isn’t it amazing Clav how you come up with an odd flight by Starmer but completely ignore half a million pounds’ worth in a fortnight by Sunak? Double standards much?

What's that about taking the bloody great log out of your own eye before you try and take a splinter out of someone else's?

Remember in 1997 Labours campaign was about how long the NHS waiting lists were?

And the Tories said how Labour would increase taxes ?

Its almost like Deja vu isn’t it, 27 years on..

'Once great nation' - when do you date that to?

The Tories have completely destroyed what was left by allowing rapacious - and often non-British - private enterprise ruin what was good about Britain and by completely downgrading public services. Natural beauty has been befouled by filthy water, the Post Office is rife with scandal and poor services, the NHS is a shit-show, Britain's relationship with Europe is at a low due to Brexit, the education system is woefully under-funded, the railways have no price controls so it's often cheaper to fly than make a simple train journey, disabled people have been impoverished via the PIP system, there is horrific child poverty, families rely on food banks to eat. And meanwhile the Torys have enriched and ennobled their cronies with taxpayers' money.

Imagine, you can't even plan a trip to the beach without checking whether or not it's a day that sewage is being pumped into the sea.

In the Thatcher years,

What are you going to do about your unhappiness in England??

The Thatcher years were fucking awful

https://neilharding.blogspot.com/2005/10/20-reasons-why-i-hate-thatcher.html

https://www.josharcher.uk/blog/why-margaret-thatcher-is-hated/

@frankentall

😂 you had to resort to blogs!!

Labour would have been awful and I'm standing by that
Take care.

Labour would have been awful You cannot possibly know what it would have been like without Thatcher - the fact is we are still living the legacy of her right to buy, ridiculous privatisations and her tax increases and shifting the tax burden away from the wealthy.

Tell that to the miners, their children and grandchildren. Their great grandchildren will also be feeling the results of Thatchers government.

INCOME TAX (CHARGES AND RATES FOR 1978–79)
HC Deb 17 April 1978 vol 948 cc173-4173§Motion made, and Question, That— (1) Income tax for the year 1978–79 shall be charged at the basic rate of 34 per cent.; and—

1. (a) in respect of so much of an individual's total income as does not exceed £750 at the rate of 25 per cent.;
2. (b) in respect of so much of an individual's total income as exceeds £7,000 at such higher rates as are specified in the Table below; and
3. (c) in respect of so much of the investment income included in an individual's total income as exceeds £1,700 at the additional rates of 10 per cent. for the first £550 of the excess and 15 per cent. for the remainder;

except that in the case of an individual who shows that, at any time within that year, his age or that of his wife living with him was sixty-five years or more, paragraph (c) above shall have effect with the substitution for the references to £1,700 and £550 of references to £2,500 and £500 respectively. 174TABLE Part of excess over £7,000 Higher rate The first £1,000 40 per cent. The next £1,000 45 per cent. The next £1,000 50 per cent. The next £1,500 55 per cent. The next £1,500 60 per cent. The next £2,000 65 per cent. The next £2,500 70 pet cent.

The next £5,500 75 per cent.
The remainder 83 per cent.(2) This Resolution shall not require any change to be made in the amounts deductible or repayable under section 204 of the Income and Corporation Taxes Act 1970 (pay as you earn) before 13th July 1978. And it is hereby declared that it is expedient in the public interest that this Resolution should have statutory effect under the provisions of the Provisional Collection of Taxes Act 1968.—[Mr. Healey] put forthwith pursuant to Standing Order No. 94 (Ways and Means motions) and agreed to.

14 years of foodbank usage

That made me laugh!

The reason for that is bud, there are many more foodbank. And yes, even those are abused.

IMO, to help the genuinely in trouble - have agreements in place in all major supermarkets and their smaller stores as they appear to everywhere and give the claimants food vouchers and vouchers for utilities etc. This will massively reduce the amount some spend on the wrong items and not the essentials

Hopefully, whoever gets in via the back door with a coalition partner, they will read my post and put this into place. Yes, this has been muted but the gov was too cowardly to give it a trial

The wrong items! Who the fuck are you to say what people can buy?

You're on another country planet where human life has little value, and being made to live your life the way you are told is normal.

No fucking thanks to that.

Ah, you're one of those people who believe that people use foodbanks for free food when they don't need to, just because they're there.

And what a surprise to find you in favour of a voucher scheme - yes, let's strip people's freedom of choice away just because they're poor. Are you on benefits? No treats for you! That's for wealthy people only!

Ending up in a coalition isn't getting into government by the back door - it's a legitimate potential outcome of the democratic process which reflects the will of the electorate and not at all dodgy. It happens all the time in much of Europe.

Have you seen today's polling? No narrowing yet, coalition looking very unlikely.

The gov has already touched on the subject. If you think about it, it will help many to spend money on essentials as that are what benefits for. Therefore, anything that helps those on benefits, I'm for it

A system like a debit card that allows spenings on foods and utility bills and transport is an idea - then get a small percentage in cash - its an idea that may just work and help those that need it most, IMO

However, there will be a lot of opposition to it but there always is to change and that is a fact.

There will be opposition to it, and rightly, because it is stigmatising and dehumanising. Everyone in the shop will know who's on benefits because they will be paying with 'that' card. Shaming people is poor politics. Your enthusiasm for it says a lot about how you feel about those less fortunate than you are.

That looks remarkably like the national debt chart. I imagine NHS waiting lists would look very similar in a bar chart. Have they done anything positive that would look the same?

I thought I'd do a bit of research as I've head about it a while ago, ie vouchers in place of cash. However, my idea is better, debit card topped up and a percentage can be taken in cash gives flexibility.

When I googled, there has already been a Green Paoer published re PIP benefits re services they may require - so the thin edge of the wedge???

Yes, the Green Paper and consultation proposes a number of schemes that will not work and will cost a fortune in admin costs. But then it comes from our utterly incompetent government, so no surprise there.

Your scheme is more of the same. It will cost a fortune in admin, stigmatise and dehumanise people by making them visually identifiable as 'poor' when they go shopping. It operates on the assumption that people on benefits are all incapable of making good decisions. A horrific, patronising idea.

So were the police, the police officers that were injured and the people that had to suffer with power cuts and factories closing down.

Please advise how the mines are doing today and don't forget there was a Labour gov after the strikes

Let's be honest bud. Coal was going out of fashion and the mines, the vast majority were not competitive with some other nations that were massive produces of coal.

Have you ever heard the say, "flogging a dead donkey,"?? That was the positions of the UK mines - hence almost zero coal mines in England now

We have to move on with the times, otherwise you get left behind

Hopefully, whoever gets in via the back door with a coalition partner, they will read my post and put this into place

Next, you will be expecting a seat in the HoL comrade

On the contrary, I don't mind Sunak and his ministers using private jets and helicopters. Starmer is the hypoocrite;

Oh dear. In yet another campaign blunder for Sir Keir Starmer, the Labour leader has been forced to fess up to using a private jet — just hours after taunting Rishi Sunak’s helicopter use. Rules for thee but not for me…

The lefty Labour leader flew to Scotland on a private plane to make an announcement about his ambitions to set up a publicly-owned ‘GB Energy’ company — but was curiously reluctant about revealing his mode of transport ...
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/sir-keirs-private-jet-hypocrisy/#:~:text=Oh%20dear.,thee%20but%20not%20for%20me%E2%80%A6

Oh dear. Another Tory publication almost biased as you.