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AIBU to feel this will happen un a Labour government???

From what I see and IMO, the Labour lot on the whole believe in aspirations but only for themselves

Older people will vividly recall the the hideous tax rates under labour - between 1974 and 1979 the paye tax rate was up to 80%. Then there was a tax on top of that for so-called higher earners of 18%. This equated to 98%

I don't trust Labour, nor do I trust the Torties. Liberals, IMO they will sell your soul down the river to get a sniff at number 10

As I said I don't trust any of them. But if you are working, worked hard, been prudent with your money and have savings, decent private pensions in the pipeline and possibly a property or two that you have worked for, for your retirement and not wasting your money and want to leave some behind for your kids, GC etc rather than throw it away on the hand to mouth life - then if Labour comes into power, you are totally and truly F'd

Labour rants they will do this and the other - the last time they almost bankrupted England,

If you are working hard being prudent with your money and made sacrifices to send your kids to a private school as many Labour MP's do on pay at almost 100k - they are eager to put VAT on this part of education. The MPS whose pay is a couple of times above average pay will be able to afford it - will you??

Me, my family, relatives have all worked hard, not on benefits, never lived in social housing and not thrown our money away but been prudent to be self-sufficient and pay our taxes to support our country. If you are like us, then trust me, under Labour, you will be shafted hard.

I'm not sure if I will vote tory or an independent but this circus of Tories and Labour taking turns to lie to the nation is not on and yes, most politicians lie and will lie and say anything to get into number 10 and if your feel that is not true, then you must be on another planet

So if Keir Starmer didn't call out Sunak over his private jets and in fact used private jets and helicopters to go everywhere himself that would be absolutely fine with you?

A Telegraph article on Starmer's flight yesterday, the Spectator today, which paper can we expect tomorrow 🤔

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Imagine, you can't even plan a trip to the beach without checking whether or not it's a day that sewage is being pumped into the sea

Yes - imagine back to the last Labour government - have you thought about voting for the Green Party instead?

Panorama
September 2009
Britain's Dirty Beaches
Sand, sea and sewage
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00mg5cg

August 2008
Come on in - but watch out for the sewage, tampons and cotton buds.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2008/aug/23/pollution.water

Keir Starmer isn't a member of the government and what do you mean by everywhere?

Sky News

Sir Keir also faced criticism for travelling to the event in a private jet, given Labour have previously branded the prime minister "out of touch" for doing this and has promised to crack down on "Tory ministers' private jet habit" if it wins the election.

https://news.sky.com/story/starmer-defends-private-jet-to-announce-energy-plans-and-insists-hes-not-turning-off-taps-on-oil-and-gas-13145992

Everywhere he went on business, obviously 🙄

But thank you for replying - so in your head it's OK for the Prime Minister to fly everywhere on jets and helicopters donated by his friends even though cheaper and less environmentally damaging options were available, but if the leader of the Opposition did the same thing, through the same means, that would be wrong, yes?

Hopefully, whoever gets in via the back door with a coalition partner, they will read my post and put this into place

😂😂😂

Keep going Clav, if hypocrisy is the worst allegation, he isn't doing too badly

You're not supposed to do anything. There's no rule book. You vote for who you want to win.

Even if the Tories promised to cut my taxes (and taxes are historically high right now under them) there's no way I'd vote for them. They have presided over wholesale destruction of public services. The NHS is crumbling. High streets are failing. Roads are full of potholes. Public transport doesn't work. More people are using food banks or sleeping rough, or both.

I would much rather pay more tax than not have decent public services.

Exactly - and @Tospyornottospy I find it's in my interest not to live in a country with such extreme poverty and eviscerated public services.

My wellbeing and that of my family is not just affected by personal wealth, but the sort of society I live in. Even if I was a billionaire, I'd want my children to admire the government and to believe in a democracy that really does serve the people rather than them having to witness the moral turpitude of the Tories and their damaging of public services and ignorant promotion of unworkable and damaging policies such as the Rwanda plan, national service and Brexit.

pointythings
Everywhere he went on business, obviously

It's not obvious - Sunak travelled by overnight sleeper train one night last week.

https://labourlist.org/2024/06/labour-party-latest-news-uk-3/

How did he travel back?

The Conservatives are still accepting donations from Frank Hester

What? After the Jess Philips vileness?

Helicopter I think - that's where Starmer's hypocrisy comes in - he criticised the helicopter, then flew by private jet himself.

Yes exactly - I do have some 'self interest' in voting Labour as I work in the public sector - the (Tory) Council I work for is having to 'find' £19M in cuts this year - I work in a statutory service but we've lost £300,000 - lord know where that's coming from.

But I actually believe in the 'for the many' philosophy as well - that society is important. The young people and families I work with have been so damaged by this last 14 years - cuts to services, benefit caps, loss of employment, rent rises, COL - we have a huge increase in 16-18 year olds entering care which is related to all of this. There are limited options for our NEETs - we lost so many good training providers due to funding changes - we have one locally which is full - I struggle to find opportunities for them to re-engage.

Society needs to support those with the least before benefitting those with the most - that's how you make all our lives better.

Aw, bless him, so he did. He was so excited to be travelling like a normal British citizen instead of a 2nd rate Royal impersonator that he took photos to send to his children.

Then he flew back as usual.

Sir Keir Starmer said he had the whole shadow cabinet behind him as he set out his commitment to Britain’s nuclear deterrent.

Has Ian Murray (currently Labour's Shadow Sec. State for Scotland) changed his mind?

2015
When asked whether he would be prepared to face being sacked from Labour’s frontbench for voting with the SNP against Trident, Mr Murray said: “I’m more than happy to cross that bridge when we come to it.”

The Labour politician said it would be “bonkers” if he allowed concerns about being in the same House of Commons lobby as the SNP on the Trident issue to dictate his position, which he insisted was a matter of principle rather than party loyalty.

“I have a different view on Trident. The party ­position is the party position. I’ve made it clear that I wouldn’t support it [Trident].”

A Labour spokesman, when asked whether Mr Murray’s views were at odds with those of Mr Miliband and Scottish Labour leader Jim Murphy, said: “Ian Murray’s views on Trident are well known.”

https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/labour-mp-ian-murray-breaks-ranks-over-trident-1507528

Angela Rayner and David Lammy voted against renewing Trident in 2016.

Exactly. Sunak can do what he likes to add to the climate crisis. Bless.

This made me laugh - Starmer claimed the [Labour] party offsets carbon whenever it travels by plane. In the comments, someone asks how they do this and the answer was; 'by not letting Angela Rayner leave her house'.

Here we go again -

Angela Rayner says she wants to rid the world of nuclear weapons.

Deputy Labour leader’s comments on multilateral disarmament come hours after Sir Keir Starmer says he is willing to use the deterrent.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/06/03/angela-rayner-nuclear-weapons-multilateral-disarmament/

CORRECTION: we now have full transcript of @AngelaRayner and reporting on this is not right.

Rayner says: “we are absolutely committed to nuclear defence, we have our triple lock, we have our three programmes. First of all we are committed to trident into the future”

x.com/darrenmccaffrey/status/1797676646088224853?s=46&t=Uw4lJNwxFZFnX0Xs3doHYg

I can only assume some deliberately misleading copy from The Telegraph.

x.com/darrenmccaffrey/status/1797677356590751775?s=46&t=Uw4lJNwxFZFnX0Xs3doHYg

Surely not! <faints>

Notonthestairs
CORRECTION: we now have full transcript of @ AngelaRayner and reporting on this is not right.

Starmer says he is prepared to use nuclear weapons

Is Angela Rayner prepared to use nuclear weapons if she is deputy prime minister? We need to know.