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Creepy neighbour - thoughts!?

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Toebeanzornottoebeanz · 21/05/2024 07:13

Hello! I had a strange encounter with a neighbour last week which made me feel very uncomfortable. I’m sure I’m right, but my mind will always minimise things/mitigate for people so I wanted to run the situation past others and see if your thoughts support mine!

Thursday, 1pm there’s a knock on my door, I don’t answer, they knock again, this time louder. I look out the window and see that it’s a fairly new neighbour who I’ve only met once or twice in passing and never really spoken to. He lives with his girlfriend and his child. I open the door and he says he’s sorry to bother me but do I have any sugar, he’s run out and really needs a coffee. I laugh and say “are you serious” because it seemed cliche. He says yes so I say ok sure and turn to go into the house and grab him some, except he follows me in and into my kitchen. He had brought a coffee with him and then helped himself opening drawers to find himself a spoon. He then said how it’s cool that we both work from home, what time do I have my lunches usually, suggesting essentially that we could have lunches at the same time. He told me he likes to draw and saw some of my artwork, then suggested we should do some drawing together sometime. All questions after this were the type that enabled him to get close and have physical contact - I like your rings, folllowed by holding my hand and leaning in close to look at them, I like your tattoos, followed by holding my wrist and arm and running his hand over them, what size are your ears stretched to, can I have a look, followed by moving in to look closely at my ears. After a while I said sorry you need to go, I have work to do, do you want to take some sugar with you - he said no that’s fine I’ll go to the shop later - the shop which is less than a minutes walk from his house. I thought the whole thing was weird but gave him the benefit of the doubt that maybe he is very over-familiar and lacking in self-awareness, and maybe he genuinely needed some sugar.

3pm - there’s a knock at the door again, and it’s him again. I go down there, he says sorry can I grab some more sugar, I say fine and again he follows me into the house, again helping himself to a spoon. The front door has been left open, I say I need to make sure my cat hasn’t run out and he tells me I can close the door. I do this so my cat doesn’t run out and then immediately start heaping sugar into a bowl so he can take it and just get out, in the middle of doing this he says hey can I look at your tattoo again and takes hold of my wrist, runs his hand over the tattoo again and slowly up my forearm. At this point I am kind of in a corner and I panic, pull away and say I really need to get on so here’s your sugar. I then march quickly to the front door to get it open and on the way out, he says by the way - you don’t need to tell your partner I came round. I say he already knows you’ve been here.

This is all really creepy, right!?

So I tell my partner all of this and how uncomfortable I felt and he’s furious. The next day, he sees my neighbour’s partner in the street and asks her for a word, says her boyfriend made me feel very uncomfortable in our house yesterday and can we have our sugar pot back. She is baffled - why was he in our house and why does he have our pot. He explains, she goes into their house and 20 minutes later, they are both on the doorstep and he is very politely apologising for making me feel uncomfortable and asking me to explain what he did that made me feel that way. This gets my back up straight away because he knows full well, and I tell him so. He denies saying that I didn’t need to tell my partner and tells me I’m overreacting. I tell him he’s gaslighting me, and that he’s a creep. I then ask his girlfriend if they had sugar at home yesterday - she tells me yes, they did. I tell him I have no idea what his intentions were but they did not originate in a place of honesty, he had sugar at home, an open door is not an invitation in, and his behaviour in my house/towards me was unnerving. I apologised to his partner because it can’t have been nice having someone stand there and call their fella a creep.

I’m right, right!!? I’m sure I am, but I’m such an overthinker, I’m overthinking myself into thinking I’ve gone overboard..

OP posts:
Toebeanzornottoebeanz · 21/05/2024 11:09

KikiShaLeeBopDeBopBop · 21/05/2024 11:07

I know, right?!

Peephole & chain on the door as an absolute minimum.

I so relate to your anger after the event of kind of going along with it at the time, this is what happens with so many of us and creeps/predators use to their advantage. I bet victim blamers have had occasions when they only think of a retort to someone who's been rude or nasty after the event!

Thank you! 100% re: the anger after the event - I’m angry with him and also with myself!

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IncompleteSenten · 21/05/2024 11:15

No part of this is your fault.
He is a creepy and probably unsafe person.

You were very vulnerable and you did really well.

Often when faced with men we clearly recognise are a threat, we go into appeasement mode to try to keep safe. It's instinctive.

FOJN · 21/05/2024 11:15

SallyWD · 21/05/2024 09:54

That's what I thought! Did it really happen? I've never heard of anything like it. Yes men can be creepy in some situations but it's highly unusual for one to barge in to a complete strangers house, twice in one day and repeatedly caress her.
Assuming it's true it's very creepy and weird behaviour. Well done to you and your DH for making your feelings known.

Yes it's highly unusual which is why the OP found it so unnerving.

It's great that you have never heard of or experienced a man trampling your boundaries with such confidence, as if their behaviour is the most natural thing in the world, that you second guess yourself and think your discomfort is an overreaction.

Take care of yourself OP this mans behaviour is very worrying.

Cosmosforbreakfast · 21/05/2024 11:17

Don't be angry with yourself, he preyed on you. You did nothing wrong. Hindsight is 20/20, it's easy for other people to say you shouldn't have let him in etc etc, sometimes you don't see someone for what they are straight away. How you handled it is an inspiration to other women in similar situations. It'll make red flags immediately obvious, it'll give them the courage to stand up to these creeps and also call them out on their behaviour. Your partner really is a star!

Ohyay · 21/05/2024 11:18

Hello OP hope you are feeling ok

I would be inclined to report this via 101. You dont have to have him spoken to. It can be recorded and closed but it sounds like his actions were premeditated. He didnt need sugar. This is potentially his MO and with any luck they eventually move. But it strikes me as a pattern of behaviour. This isnt to pressurise or victim blame (Police professional) but things like this build a bigger picture of offenders. Ultimately he has touched you without consent. This would constitute a common assault.
We do log intelligence / advice matters. Something to think about.

Take care and hats off to your partner for calling out his behaviour x

Toebeanzornottoebeanz · 21/05/2024 11:25

Cosmosforbreakfast · 21/05/2024 11:17

Don't be angry with yourself, he preyed on you. You did nothing wrong. Hindsight is 20/20, it's easy for other people to say you shouldn't have let him in etc etc, sometimes you don't see someone for what they are straight away. How you handled it is an inspiration to other women in similar situations. It'll make red flags immediately obvious, it'll give them the courage to stand up to these creeps and also call them out on their behaviour. Your partner really is a star!

Thank you!! 🙂

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Snazzysausage · 21/05/2024 11:26

It's so sad that someone should even have to contemplate whether to change the way they are, friendly and neighbourly, just because a creepy cretin steamrollered right over what goes without saying is any normal person's boundaries. Hope the GF kicks him to the kerb. I'd have been caught out as well given it's the last thing you'd expect when a neighbour asks for a spoon of sugar!

WickedSerious · 21/05/2024 11:31

Toebeanzornottoebeanz · 21/05/2024 11:07

Exactly what I thought re: moving!

Many years' ago my friend lived in a flat above a couple who'd been rehoused as a result of the husband's 'inappropriate behaviour'.

It was the first thing I thought of when I read your opening post.

AlpineMuesli · 21/05/2024 11:33

Brazen, confident, had all the patter and the excuse. He's done this before.

Toebeanzornottoebeanz · 21/05/2024 11:36

IncompleteSenten · 21/05/2024 11:15

No part of this is your fault.
He is a creepy and probably unsafe person.

You were very vulnerable and you did really well.

Often when faced with men we clearly recognise are a threat, we go into appeasement mode to try to keep safe. It's instinctive.

Thank you! Appeasement mode is very much where I was at.. I think like the majority of women, I have been in situations where I have felt vulnerable/creeped on many times in the past and I know appeasement is 100% where I seem to go to first.. I’ve never had someone make me feel preyed upon and vulnerable in my own home before though, never again!

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Penguinfeet24 · 21/05/2024 11:37

Ok he's a freaking weirdo and you're lucky you're ok! What a bloody creep and good on you for standing up for yourself in front of him and his partner, hopefully that's enough to make him give you a wide berth from now on.

Toebeanzornottoebeanz · 21/05/2024 11:37

AlpineMuesli · 21/05/2024 11:33

Brazen, confident, had all the patter and the excuse. He's done this before.

That’s what I thought, and I told him and his partner as much!

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wellington77 · 21/05/2024 11:39

Ohh that’s terrifying! Well done on you for making sure his girlfriend knows too, so she can be aware of how much a weirdo is. Hopefully that will stop his behaviour to you. If I was you going forward never open the door to him for your own safety. Out of curiosity what did the girlfriend say? Was she shocked or not surprised- do you think she knows he’s like that?

Noshowlomo · 21/05/2024 11:41

What an absolute creep and well done to you and your partner. What a team. I feel sorry for his girlfriend.
He was definitely after a little WFH affair, because he thinks he’s some gift to women clearly. Creep. Report to 101 if you can x

IncompleteSenten · 21/05/2024 11:42

wellington77 · 21/05/2024 11:39

Ohh that’s terrifying! Well done on you for making sure his girlfriend knows too, so she can be aware of how much a weirdo is. Hopefully that will stop his behaviour to you. If I was you going forward never open the door to him for your own safety. Out of curiosity what did the girlfriend say? Was she shocked or not surprised- do you think she knows he’s like that?

Sadly, my money's on her being unsurprised.
I doubt this is the first time and I'd be wondering if it's why they moved. Fresh start and all that shit.

Catsmere · 21/05/2024 11:44

You mentioned not wanting your cat to get out, OP - is she (I hope) an indoor-only cat? Because I'd be very, very careful to make sure this slimy creep can't get near her, for her own safety and for yours.

Toebeanzornottoebeanz · 21/05/2024 11:45

wellington77 · 21/05/2024 11:39

Ohh that’s terrifying! Well done on you for making sure his girlfriend knows too, so she can be aware of how much a weirdo is. Hopefully that will stop his behaviour to you. If I was you going forward never open the door to him for your own safety. Out of curiosity what did the girlfriend say? Was she shocked or not surprised- do you think she knows he’s like that?

Thank you! His girlfriend was very quiet, watching his reactions at times, head down and listening mostly. She was nodding her head in agreement when I was highlighting that it is not normal to follow a woman you don’t know into her house while she’s alone etc etc.. he only really spoke a couple of times after asking me to outline what he did to make me feel uncomfortable - this was to tell me I was overreacting, to deny saying that I didn’t need to tell my partner he’d been round, to tell me he has no interest in me and to tell his partner that he couldn’t find the sugar, after she confirmed that they did in fact have sugar at home. He was mostly eyes fixed, staring me down. I think she could see how weird it all was, she didn’t once try to defend him, not even when I lost it and simply declared him to be a “f*ing creep”.

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Toebeanzornottoebeanz · 21/05/2024 11:48

Catsmere · 21/05/2024 11:44

You mentioned not wanting your cat to get out, OP - is she (I hope) an indoor-only cat? Because I'd be very, very careful to make sure this slimy creep can't get near her, for her own safety and for yours.

Yes she is mostly! They only go out in the back garden and only when we’re at home. I actually have 2 cats but one is very antisocial/wary so was hiding upstairs (I should have taken his lead!) and I wasn’t worried about him making a run for it, the other was downstairs and loves to bolt out the front if she can.

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shugarsuz · 21/05/2024 11:50

Ring doorbell and never ever answer the door and leave it open to get something inside, whether it's money for window cleaner, anything - always close the door, get what you need and go back to the door ❤️

BMW6 · 21/05/2024 11:51

OP what did he or his partner say about him coming to you for sugar when they already had their own???

Sorry just read your last update and missed it before my question

Sturnidae · 21/05/2024 11:52

Fight, flight, freeze and fawn. You instinctively fawned to him to keep yourself safe. He's a disgusting creep and I'm glad you're able to feel angry at him for it now, but please do not feel angry at yourself. Your instincts kicked in to keep you safe in the moment, now you are in a position to evaluate and work out how to manage any future interactions with this creep.

Toebeanzornottoebeanz · 21/05/2024 11:53

Sturnidae · 21/05/2024 11:52

Fight, flight, freeze and fawn. You instinctively fawned to him to keep yourself safe. He's a disgusting creep and I'm glad you're able to feel angry at him for it now, but please do not feel angry at yourself. Your instincts kicked in to keep you safe in the moment, now you are in a position to evaluate and work out how to manage any future interactions with this creep.

Thank you ❤️ also I have actually never heard - freeze, fawn - before and this just makes so much sense. I can see that “fawn” is always my response to a threat, but to know it is recognised as a stress response will definitely help me in not blaming myself for it!!

OP posts:
Toebeanzornottoebeanz · 21/05/2024 11:54

shugarsuz · 21/05/2024 11:50

Ring doorbell and never ever answer the door and leave it open to get something inside, whether it's money for window cleaner, anything - always close the door, get what you need and go back to the door ❤️

100%, it’s been a lesson!

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tellmewhenthespaceshiplandscoz · 21/05/2024 11:55

@PremiumListing I think this comment in your post nails it for me -

He did lots of micro tests on you, then and he progressed to interfering with your body.

Well done for how you handled it OP. And don't listen to those questioning why you didn't do anything more defensive at the time. Fight/Flight/Freeze is very real and I think this plus the absolute unexpected shock that he would waltz in and immediately start knocking boundaries over would be extremely alarming. Plus a bit of you was probably thinking "WTF - is this actually happening?".

And a man like this knows this is happening in your head and absolutely capitalises on this disorientation.

Fuck I would have been extremely shaken.

Well done to your partner too for having your back.

tellmewhenthespaceshiplandscoz · 21/05/2024 11:55

TheDumpling · 21/05/2024 10:14

Keep a diary of what he did, date, times, how he made you feel, what he did and said, your partner's reactions and the reactions of the creep's partner etc. just in case.

Absolutely this too