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Creepy neighbour - thoughts!?

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Toebeanzornottoebeanz · 21/05/2024 07:13

Hello! I had a strange encounter with a neighbour last week which made me feel very uncomfortable. I’m sure I’m right, but my mind will always minimise things/mitigate for people so I wanted to run the situation past others and see if your thoughts support mine!

Thursday, 1pm there’s a knock on my door, I don’t answer, they knock again, this time louder. I look out the window and see that it’s a fairly new neighbour who I’ve only met once or twice in passing and never really spoken to. He lives with his girlfriend and his child. I open the door and he says he’s sorry to bother me but do I have any sugar, he’s run out and really needs a coffee. I laugh and say “are you serious” because it seemed cliche. He says yes so I say ok sure and turn to go into the house and grab him some, except he follows me in and into my kitchen. He had brought a coffee with him and then helped himself opening drawers to find himself a spoon. He then said how it’s cool that we both work from home, what time do I have my lunches usually, suggesting essentially that we could have lunches at the same time. He told me he likes to draw and saw some of my artwork, then suggested we should do some drawing together sometime. All questions after this were the type that enabled him to get close and have physical contact - I like your rings, folllowed by holding my hand and leaning in close to look at them, I like your tattoos, followed by holding my wrist and arm and running his hand over them, what size are your ears stretched to, can I have a look, followed by moving in to look closely at my ears. After a while I said sorry you need to go, I have work to do, do you want to take some sugar with you - he said no that’s fine I’ll go to the shop later - the shop which is less than a minutes walk from his house. I thought the whole thing was weird but gave him the benefit of the doubt that maybe he is very over-familiar and lacking in self-awareness, and maybe he genuinely needed some sugar.

3pm - there’s a knock at the door again, and it’s him again. I go down there, he says sorry can I grab some more sugar, I say fine and again he follows me into the house, again helping himself to a spoon. The front door has been left open, I say I need to make sure my cat hasn’t run out and he tells me I can close the door. I do this so my cat doesn’t run out and then immediately start heaping sugar into a bowl so he can take it and just get out, in the middle of doing this he says hey can I look at your tattoo again and takes hold of my wrist, runs his hand over the tattoo again and slowly up my forearm. At this point I am kind of in a corner and I panic, pull away and say I really need to get on so here’s your sugar. I then march quickly to the front door to get it open and on the way out, he says by the way - you don’t need to tell your partner I came round. I say he already knows you’ve been here.

This is all really creepy, right!?

So I tell my partner all of this and how uncomfortable I felt and he’s furious. The next day, he sees my neighbour’s partner in the street and asks her for a word, says her boyfriend made me feel very uncomfortable in our house yesterday and can we have our sugar pot back. She is baffled - why was he in our house and why does he have our pot. He explains, she goes into their house and 20 minutes later, they are both on the doorstep and he is very politely apologising for making me feel uncomfortable and asking me to explain what he did that made me feel that way. This gets my back up straight away because he knows full well, and I tell him so. He denies saying that I didn’t need to tell my partner and tells me I’m overreacting. I tell him he’s gaslighting me, and that he’s a creep. I then ask his girlfriend if they had sugar at home yesterday - she tells me yes, they did. I tell him I have no idea what his intentions were but they did not originate in a place of honesty, he had sugar at home, an open door is not an invitation in, and his behaviour in my house/towards me was unnerving. I apologised to his partner because it can’t have been nice having someone stand there and call their fella a creep.

I’m right, right!!? I’m sure I am, but I’m such an overthinker, I’m overthinking myself into thinking I’ve gone overboard..

OP posts:
taylorswift1989 · 25/05/2024 22:01

I'm not judging OP. She obviously didn't have a clue how to handle the situation and the guy clearly took advantage of that and is a major creep.

My issue is with the commenters who are suggesting various ways of making life smaller in an attempt to avoid risk. All because no one wants to admit that actually it does not make any sense to let someone who has already creeped on you back inside your house and shut the door behind him.

maxandru · 25/05/2024 22:05

This is creepy AF. Get a ring doorbell so you can see who’s ringing the bell and do NOT answer the door to him again!

stardust777 · 25/05/2024 22:18

I'm surprised at some of the comments on this thread. When you're in a state of shock, it can be difficult to think or do things as you usually would.

Years ago, some men came to my home and said they were the police. I didn't open the door I (I grew up in a very dodgy area where 'bogus gasmen' were common). I asked if they could show their ID first (by putting it through the letterbox). I was shouted at through the door (I think they assumed I was stalling) and caved in, despite not being convinced they were who they were claiming to be (luckily they were). I was in shock.

Catsmere · 25/05/2024 22:35

@taylorswift1989 have you read any of the detailed posts about the pervasive socialisation of women on this thread?

Ohthatoldchestnut · 25/05/2024 23:03

@taylorswift1989 I don’t think anyone is denying that at all. But we are all looking at it after the fact. You don’t seem to have much appreciation for how it could very easily happen without it triggering the alarm in the moment. Context is key. The reason hindsight is a wonderful thing is that you have had a chance to reflect on the full experience after the fact.

That ability to assimilate/compute the situation you’re in more effectively can be worked on - via experience or training - but there comes a point where it becomes hyper-vigilance. Living as if everyone and everything is a threat can be exhausting.

Labelling the OP as clueless doesn’t feel very supportive or kind and I fail to see how your last sentence isn’t a judgment on OP.

You criticise that there’s no self-preservation, but that we shouldn’t take steps to avoid risk? Can’t really win can we. And how is the OP not opening the door (as you suggest) not “making life smaller”? This wasn't a complete stranger.

The suggestions some people were making were from lived experience - some of which is deeply unpleasant - so perhaps it’s better to take a little care when criticising them. OP has a selection of ideas from PP and it will be for her (and any other woman in her shoes) to judge what the best options are for her life. It seems like she’s already reflected and got a handle on it.

taylorswift1989 · 25/05/2024 23:34

I'm 50 years old and have been a victim of sexual violence and abuse. This isn't about victim blaming.

Yes I read all the stuff about "fawning" and have no argument with that EXCEPT that in a situation where OP did not need to fawn, I.e. the man was outside her house and she was inside it, she let the guy in and closed the door behind him.

That's not fawning, that's a mistake. I don't think we should change the meaning of helpful terms.

I'm saying that as someone who has also lacked sense at times and had to learn. But what good would it have done me to be told, don't go anywhere or do anything, lock yourself away in fear, when in fact I needed to learn to take care of myself. Instead of shutting my life down, I built my courage and confidence. Women aren't children, we don't need to be coddled and we don't need to live in fear. Girls need to be brought up to not fear shutting the door on a creepy stranger or saying no to a request.

taylorswift1989 · 25/05/2024 23:42

"You don’t seem to have much appreciation for how it could very easily happen without it triggering the alarm in the moment."

You're right; I don't get that at all. He'd already been inside her house a few hours earlier and made his intentions clear. When he returned hours later, why would you still be in shock? Surely you would be like, oh fuck it's that creepy guy again, and not open the door and definitely not open the door, let him in, and close the door behind him? I'm amazed that most women on this thread think that they would have let the guy in! No, I don't get that at all. Would you not have reflected on the situation at all in the intervening hours? Talked to someone, maybe? Called the police? Asked yourself what you'll do if he turns up again or if you see him about, and made a plan? I really don't understand why you wouldn't do any or all of those things.

Ohthatoldchestnut · 26/05/2024 00:21

@taylorswift1989 I don't think we're reading quite the same thread from some of the assumptions you've made.
But you've had your experiences and found your way to manage. Not everyone will approach it the same way - it doesn't mean they're wrong or any less brave.
Again, context - he wasn't a complete stranger.
I don't think anyone is suggesting women should be coddled. Wouldn't it be nice to have a balanced approach that doesn't blame them for "allowing" horrible behaviour of men but also supports them to develop that confidence for self-preservation without constant fear.

Catsmere · 26/05/2024 00:31

@taylorswift1989 sounds like you're still blaming OP for not having processed what happened the first time and instantly overcoming conditioning the second.

taylorswift1989 · 26/05/2024 00:35

I'm not blaming women for men's behaviour. But yes, otherwise I agree - women and girls need to learn to be smart and confident, and threads like this could help, if people would be a bit more honest.

taylorswift1989 · 26/05/2024 00:42

Catsmere · 26/05/2024 00:31

@taylorswift1989 sounds like you're still blaming OP for not having processed what happened the first time and instantly overcoming conditioning the second.

"Instantly overcoming condition" - what? The guy had been in her house and creeped all over her. Who then goes, oh okay, come back inside, I'll just go and make sure we're locked in together?

I'm not blaming OP for what the guy did to her. I do find it incomprehensible why she didn't, in the time between the two visits, reflect on the situation, note the risk, and consider her options so that when he returned, she had a plan. Even just to say, that was a horrible experience, I won't open the door to anyone else today until I can discuss it with my partner.

Seriously, you all would have done the same as OP? Okay then.

Catsmere · 26/05/2024 01:00

You really don't seem to understand the difficulty of overcoming conditioning. It's not something that happens just like that, in the space of minutes or hours.

Catsmere · 26/05/2024 01:02

And where, pray, are women on this thread being dishonest?

Redruby2020 · 26/05/2024 01:16

Very odd behaviour and the rest very out of order. If he approaches in the street or attempts to come around call the police. I would actually log that with them. You never know what he has done in the past or might do after this.

taylorswift1989 · 26/05/2024 01:57

Catsmere · 26/05/2024 01:00

You really don't seem to understand the difficulty of overcoming conditioning. It's not something that happens just like that, in the space of minutes or hours.

No, I think unless you're talking about actual cult-style brainwashing, I just don't agree with you that conditioning works that way. Unless you just don't think for yourself at all, which I guess is possible.

This thread has triggered me massively, so I'm going to bow out now. I hope that we are teaching our daughters to have boundaries and the ability to say no. Everyone should read The Gift of Fear, if you haven't already. OP, I hope this creep leaves you alone.

Toebeanzornottoebeanz · 26/05/2024 06:20

taylorswift1989 · 25/05/2024 19:15

I didn't say anything like that, OP.

But all the comments about needing security cameras and all the rest of it are missing the point. Which is that saying "no" shouldn't be such a difficult thing for an adult person to do.

The fact that you couldn't say no to him even though he had already threatened you and you were on the other side of the door to him in your own home is very worrying. Not to mention then going and shutting the front door with both of you inside. What are we teaching girls that they grow into women who literally stand aside for any man who asks? We have to have some kind of sense of self preservation, surely?

Edited

You absolutely did say that:

“use her brain”
”learn to say the word no”.

It’s apparently as simple as that.

And on your further posts - I don’t think you’ve actually read or taken in what I have said, nor others in response. I didn’t “let” him in. After the first visit, I was giving benefit of the doubt, I don’t live my life in fear, yes he was unusual, far too overfamiliar etc but maybe he genuinely wanted sugar and then got caught up chatting and all that BS that again we have already discussed, and when I asked him to go because I had another appointment, he left, he didn’t refuse or cause a fuss. The second time, I went from he’s unusual but likely not dangerous to a much higher level of concern because he repeated the exact same behaviour - stepped right in after me and into the kitchen, asked to see the same tattoo he’d already looked at and held my arm while doing it, and that’s when I moved to get him out. And again, he left.

Others posting on this thread have posted their valuable advice on next steps, measures that can be taken generally and in understanding behaviour which I think will have been helpful for many.

“Just say no” is not workable in all situations and for so many reasons, again already discussed. I have found your posts incredibly upsetting to be honest, and where others have lifted me, yours have brought me back down. I’m very capable of assessing myself and my own responses and I didn’t need someone else bashing me for the way I am. I’m sorry you were triggered by the thread but I’m glad you’re bowing out.

OP posts:
Catsmere · 26/05/2024 06:25

Well said, OP, and long-distance hugs, for what they're worth.

Toebeanzornottoebeanz · 26/05/2024 06:28

Catsmere · 26/05/2024 06:25

Well said, OP, and long-distance hugs, for what they're worth.

Thank you!! and thanks again for all your contributions ❤️ ☺️

OP posts:
Catsmere · 26/05/2024 06:33

You are entirely welcome! 🤗

Abbyant · 26/05/2024 08:54

Op you should have just said no because we know that people always respect boundaries and that everyone will take no as a final answer.

Catsmere · 26/05/2024 10:48

Abbyant · 26/05/2024 08:54

Op you should have just said no because we know that people always respect boundaries and that everyone will take no as a final answer.

Especially men who are practised creeps! It's so simple to get out of those situations, innit?

(If it's not clear, I'm agreeing, I can see you're being ironic.)

gindreams · 26/05/2024 12:22

@taylorswift1989 you are coming across as utterly insufferable and ghastly, no one can predict how they will behave in these circumstances and these men are predatory

There is something incredibly unpleasant and rather smug in your victim blaming

And to the OP I can easily imagine how this has happened hindsight is a great thing but in the moment no one can predict how they will behave

BurntBroccoli · 26/05/2024 12:43

It's the arrogance of him following the OP in uninvited and relying on her to be too embarrassed or polite to call them out. He figured he would just have another go as his method worked the first time.

He knew exactly what he was doing.

honeyrider · 26/05/2024 13:14

gindreams · 26/05/2024 12:22

@taylorswift1989 you are coming across as utterly insufferable and ghastly, no one can predict how they will behave in these circumstances and these men are predatory

There is something incredibly unpleasant and rather smug in your victim blaming

And to the OP I can easily imagine how this has happened hindsight is a great thing but in the moment no one can predict how they will behave

Yep I agree - insufferable and smug.

Noirdesir · 26/05/2024 13:50

honeyrider · 26/05/2024 13:14

Yep I agree - insufferable and smug.

I also agree and what the heck is wrong with security cameras? do you know how hard it is to get the police to take harassment seriously?- unless you have actual proof, its your word against theirs, so all they have to do is deny it and thats the end of that. Police will do fuck all.

Security cameras outside or a ring doorbell would prove him constantly coming to the house, would prove him coming in uninvited, would prove if he's trying to touch the OP. He cant then deny it and say "oh no, I never went to the house" can he? It's a great idea, we have them and it makes me feel much safer. It's not because I am an infantilised woman FGS, it's because if anyone messes around with our house, or tries to get in our house, I have evidence of it to give to the police. It's also a deterrent.