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Creepy neighbour - thoughts!?

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Toebeanzornottoebeanz · 21/05/2024 07:13

Hello! I had a strange encounter with a neighbour last week which made me feel very uncomfortable. I’m sure I’m right, but my mind will always minimise things/mitigate for people so I wanted to run the situation past others and see if your thoughts support mine!

Thursday, 1pm there’s a knock on my door, I don’t answer, they knock again, this time louder. I look out the window and see that it’s a fairly new neighbour who I’ve only met once or twice in passing and never really spoken to. He lives with his girlfriend and his child. I open the door and he says he’s sorry to bother me but do I have any sugar, he’s run out and really needs a coffee. I laugh and say “are you serious” because it seemed cliche. He says yes so I say ok sure and turn to go into the house and grab him some, except he follows me in and into my kitchen. He had brought a coffee with him and then helped himself opening drawers to find himself a spoon. He then said how it’s cool that we both work from home, what time do I have my lunches usually, suggesting essentially that we could have lunches at the same time. He told me he likes to draw and saw some of my artwork, then suggested we should do some drawing together sometime. All questions after this were the type that enabled him to get close and have physical contact - I like your rings, folllowed by holding my hand and leaning in close to look at them, I like your tattoos, followed by holding my wrist and arm and running his hand over them, what size are your ears stretched to, can I have a look, followed by moving in to look closely at my ears. After a while I said sorry you need to go, I have work to do, do you want to take some sugar with you - he said no that’s fine I’ll go to the shop later - the shop which is less than a minutes walk from his house. I thought the whole thing was weird but gave him the benefit of the doubt that maybe he is very over-familiar and lacking in self-awareness, and maybe he genuinely needed some sugar.

3pm - there’s a knock at the door again, and it’s him again. I go down there, he says sorry can I grab some more sugar, I say fine and again he follows me into the house, again helping himself to a spoon. The front door has been left open, I say I need to make sure my cat hasn’t run out and he tells me I can close the door. I do this so my cat doesn’t run out and then immediately start heaping sugar into a bowl so he can take it and just get out, in the middle of doing this he says hey can I look at your tattoo again and takes hold of my wrist, runs his hand over the tattoo again and slowly up my forearm. At this point I am kind of in a corner and I panic, pull away and say I really need to get on so here’s your sugar. I then march quickly to the front door to get it open and on the way out, he says by the way - you don’t need to tell your partner I came round. I say he already knows you’ve been here.

This is all really creepy, right!?

So I tell my partner all of this and how uncomfortable I felt and he’s furious. The next day, he sees my neighbour’s partner in the street and asks her for a word, says her boyfriend made me feel very uncomfortable in our house yesterday and can we have our sugar pot back. She is baffled - why was he in our house and why does he have our pot. He explains, she goes into their house and 20 minutes later, they are both on the doorstep and he is very politely apologising for making me feel uncomfortable and asking me to explain what he did that made me feel that way. This gets my back up straight away because he knows full well, and I tell him so. He denies saying that I didn’t need to tell my partner and tells me I’m overreacting. I tell him he’s gaslighting me, and that he’s a creep. I then ask his girlfriend if they had sugar at home yesterday - she tells me yes, they did. I tell him I have no idea what his intentions were but they did not originate in a place of honesty, he had sugar at home, an open door is not an invitation in, and his behaviour in my house/towards me was unnerving. I apologised to his partner because it can’t have been nice having someone stand there and call their fella a creep.

I’m right, right!!? I’m sure I am, but I’m such an overthinker, I’m overthinking myself into thinking I’ve gone overboard..

OP posts:
DuckbilledSplatterPuff · 26/05/2024 14:00

taylorswift1989 · 25/05/2024 19:15

I didn't say anything like that, OP.

But all the comments about needing security cameras and all the rest of it are missing the point. Which is that saying "no" shouldn't be such a difficult thing for an adult person to do.

The fact that you couldn't say no to him even though he had already threatened you and you were on the other side of the door to him in your own home is very worrying. Not to mention then going and shutting the front door with both of you inside. What are we teaching girls that they grow into women who literally stand aside for any man who asks? We have to have some kind of sense of self preservation, surely?

Edited

Its all very well with hindsight to say what the OP should have done. How could she have expected that a neighbour would turn up and behave like that?

I actually think her sense of self preservation was working really well.

Initially, for all she knew he was just a neighbour with a partner and child and didn't pose a threat. Seems like the over riding feeling at that point was that he was a nuisance and she thought "the whole thing was weird but gave him the benefit of the doubt that maybe he is very over-familiar and lacking in self-awareness" Because like a lot of people, she's wondering if she over reacted, if there's another reason he could have behaved like that, simply because it was so unexpected.

Yes, maybe she should have said no to the second knock, but having opened the door to see who it was and finding it was the neighbour again I think a lot of people would find it hard to say "No you can't have any more sugar piss off" With hindsight that would have been OK. without hindsight, the OP already wondering if she was over reacting didn't. I think it can be hard to believe it when someone crosses the boundaries and behaves like a complete creep, one can be thinking are they really doing that? because its not normal behaviour.

She continued to treat him as a neighbour, but very cautiously and was trying to get rid of him as quickly as possible.

I actually think that maintaining the "this is just a neighbour stance," kept the situation calmer and enabled her to pull away, walk to the door and show him out. Handing him an entire pot of sugar meant he couldn't use that feeble excuse to come back again, and having to return the pot meant he could'nt lie to his partner about being there in the first place.

She didn't challenge him, and therefore the situation didn't escalate. Sure, There are many ways she could have played it but in this case it worked. So yes she does have a sense of self preservation and got herself out of a difficult situation. It must be hard to think quickly what to do when something unexpected happens like that.

Plus telling her DH and both of them being there when neighbour confronted her with his partner watching - OP managed splendidly and gave a heads up to his partner and both she and DH were able to tell him never to bother them again, which means she won't have any doubts next time. She's certainly alert now to the risks, and will be better prepared with door security, which is not a bad thing. Also a good warning to others.

taylorswift1989 · 26/05/2024 15:15

Okay, OP (and others), I'm sorry I haven't been as understanding as maybe I should have been. I'm willing to accept that I've missed the point. And as I've said many times, I agree the guy is an absolute creep and I hope he'll leave you alone in future.

I did try to bow out of the discussion because as I said, I was finding it triggering, as a survivor of rape and sexual violence, to see all the discussion that read (to me) like people saying women are inevitable victims. So those of you tagging me to call me names are not exactly being understanding, either. Fine if you want to slag me off but can you do it without quoting or tagging me, please. Thanks, I appreciate it.

Noirdesir · 26/05/2024 15:54

I am so genuinely sorry for anyone who has been the victim of sexual violence in this thread (I have been myself too and it leaves horrific scars). But noone has ever said or implied that women are inevitable victims. I think many of us felt that just "saying no" was equally as offensive as many of us have said no and it still didnt prevent it from happening.

Looking back at what happened to me, there are many things that I wish now I had said or done at the time and I think it benefits us all to be empathic to each other that when faced with potential situations where we feel threatened, we dont always act in ways we wish we had done with hindsight. Fear and the fight/flight/freeze/fawn response can be highly unpredictable and until you are in that situation it's easy to say well why didnt you do xyz?

Lets not forget that in all of these scenarios, its the man (or the whomever the perpetrator is) who is 100% to blame and that its not beneficial for us to further criticise ourselves about how we should have handled unwanted attention because really, we should never have been put in that situation on the first place and that is 100% on them and not us.

DuckbilledSplatterPuff · 26/05/2024 16:41

Hi. My previous post
The point I was making in my previous post was that I thought OP had managed her way out of it, and that it was OK, as I felt that sometimes its hard to read what is happening in the moment.

And to say that with hindsight, there may have been better ways to deal with it but the OP did OK.

I never intended to "slag" anyone off, and I'm really sorry if it came across that way and perhaps I should have been more sensitive about quoting as it wasn't directed at you in particular.

Mimimimi1234 · 27/05/2024 04:04

I would be gwtting a ring doorbell and alarm system fitted tbh. This is so weird. I was going to say that maybe he has social issues until the second visit and the lies about sugar and gaslighting you. Now I would say 100 percent that he is a creep.dont leave your doors unlocked if you are aline in the house.

Jaybail · 27/05/2024 09:00

Keep your door locked at all times. If he comes round again, open the upstairs window and say I am working and don't have time to socialise, please go away.

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