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Creepy neighbour - thoughts!?

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Toebeanzornottoebeanz · 21/05/2024 07:13

Hello! I had a strange encounter with a neighbour last week which made me feel very uncomfortable. I’m sure I’m right, but my mind will always minimise things/mitigate for people so I wanted to run the situation past others and see if your thoughts support mine!

Thursday, 1pm there’s a knock on my door, I don’t answer, they knock again, this time louder. I look out the window and see that it’s a fairly new neighbour who I’ve only met once or twice in passing and never really spoken to. He lives with his girlfriend and his child. I open the door and he says he’s sorry to bother me but do I have any sugar, he’s run out and really needs a coffee. I laugh and say “are you serious” because it seemed cliche. He says yes so I say ok sure and turn to go into the house and grab him some, except he follows me in and into my kitchen. He had brought a coffee with him and then helped himself opening drawers to find himself a spoon. He then said how it’s cool that we both work from home, what time do I have my lunches usually, suggesting essentially that we could have lunches at the same time. He told me he likes to draw and saw some of my artwork, then suggested we should do some drawing together sometime. All questions after this were the type that enabled him to get close and have physical contact - I like your rings, folllowed by holding my hand and leaning in close to look at them, I like your tattoos, followed by holding my wrist and arm and running his hand over them, what size are your ears stretched to, can I have a look, followed by moving in to look closely at my ears. After a while I said sorry you need to go, I have work to do, do you want to take some sugar with you - he said no that’s fine I’ll go to the shop later - the shop which is less than a minutes walk from his house. I thought the whole thing was weird but gave him the benefit of the doubt that maybe he is very over-familiar and lacking in self-awareness, and maybe he genuinely needed some sugar.

3pm - there’s a knock at the door again, and it’s him again. I go down there, he says sorry can I grab some more sugar, I say fine and again he follows me into the house, again helping himself to a spoon. The front door has been left open, I say I need to make sure my cat hasn’t run out and he tells me I can close the door. I do this so my cat doesn’t run out and then immediately start heaping sugar into a bowl so he can take it and just get out, in the middle of doing this he says hey can I look at your tattoo again and takes hold of my wrist, runs his hand over the tattoo again and slowly up my forearm. At this point I am kind of in a corner and I panic, pull away and say I really need to get on so here’s your sugar. I then march quickly to the front door to get it open and on the way out, he says by the way - you don’t need to tell your partner I came round. I say he already knows you’ve been here.

This is all really creepy, right!?

So I tell my partner all of this and how uncomfortable I felt and he’s furious. The next day, he sees my neighbour’s partner in the street and asks her for a word, says her boyfriend made me feel very uncomfortable in our house yesterday and can we have our sugar pot back. She is baffled - why was he in our house and why does he have our pot. He explains, she goes into their house and 20 minutes later, they are both on the doorstep and he is very politely apologising for making me feel uncomfortable and asking me to explain what he did that made me feel that way. This gets my back up straight away because he knows full well, and I tell him so. He denies saying that I didn’t need to tell my partner and tells me I’m overreacting. I tell him he’s gaslighting me, and that he’s a creep. I then ask his girlfriend if they had sugar at home yesterday - she tells me yes, they did. I tell him I have no idea what his intentions were but they did not originate in a place of honesty, he had sugar at home, an open door is not an invitation in, and his behaviour in my house/towards me was unnerving. I apologised to his partner because it can’t have been nice having someone stand there and call their fella a creep.

I’m right, right!!? I’m sure I am, but I’m such an overthinker, I’m overthinking myself into thinking I’ve gone overboard..

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Toebeanzornottoebeanz · 21/05/2024 12:49

crochetcatsknitting · 21/05/2024 12:41

@Chael86 He can't deny he was in your house, because your sugar bowl ended up in his.

He'd also have to convincingly explain why he couldn't find sugar twice, when there was sugar in their house. And I suspect the sugar will probably be in the place it always is.

So she should know he concocted a fiction, twice, to get into your home.

So I really hope that makes her think beyond the gaslighting @SerenityNowInsanityLater referred to.

Yes there is that! I thought the same re the pot - in a sense I was glad he had it as it meant he couldn’t deny having been round. She had no idea about it either, so he must have hidden it out of sight. If it was all so innocent, he would have mentioned that he’d been over and she would have seen the pot in her house. He told me he drinks coffee every day - like you I very much doubt that the sugar had been misplaced over night.

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strugglingmomx · 21/05/2024 12:59

You are 100% not overreacting, he is a right creep! You handled this perfectly.

PremiumListing · 21/05/2024 13:01

Georgyporky · 21/05/2024 12:35

Why did you let it happen a second time ?

RTFT and then inform yourself about predators and trauma responses.

Unless you actually fully intended to put the boot in, you know, because that’s how one typically likes to pass a quiet Tuesday afternoon?

FangsForTheMemory · 21/05/2024 13:12

If you feel able, you might suggest to his partner that she submit a Clare's Law request. I can't believe she hasn't noticed him behaving oddly before.

DaffydownClock · 21/05/2024 13:18

Please check that he can’t access your back garden OP, and please report him to the police; you’re probably not the first and definitely won’t be the last woman he’s done this to.

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Toebeanzornottoebeanz · 21/05/2024 13:20

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This is not helpful? Why would it not be real? I’m wasting mine and everybody else’s time seeking advice/reassurance for something that didn’t happen? Jesus.

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comedycentral · 21/05/2024 13:21

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Are you the neighbour?

comedycentral · 21/05/2024 13:23

What a scary experience, it gives me chills. He's clearly been scoping out your situation for a while. You may have reacted as the fawn initially but you really showed your true strength, calling him out and not giving creeps like this the chance to operate in the darkness.

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Why type a comment to derail a very useful thread when you could report to MNHQ if you suspect OP is a troll.

Toebeanzornottoebeanz · 21/05/2024 13:24

comedycentral · 21/05/2024 13:23

What a scary experience, it gives me chills. He's clearly been scoping out your situation for a while. You may have reacted as the fawn initially but you really showed your true strength, calling him out and not giving creeps like this the chance to operate in the darkness.

Thank you! ❤️

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Womanofcustard · 21/05/2024 13:26

Can you put in a Claire’s Law request for yourself, after your neighbour has co-erced his way into your house and touched you?

WearyAuldWumman · 21/05/2024 13:26

Toebeanzornottoebeanz · 21/05/2024 07:13

Hello! I had a strange encounter with a neighbour last week which made me feel very uncomfortable. I’m sure I’m right, but my mind will always minimise things/mitigate for people so I wanted to run the situation past others and see if your thoughts support mine!

Thursday, 1pm there’s a knock on my door, I don’t answer, they knock again, this time louder. I look out the window and see that it’s a fairly new neighbour who I’ve only met once or twice in passing and never really spoken to. He lives with his girlfriend and his child. I open the door and he says he’s sorry to bother me but do I have any sugar, he’s run out and really needs a coffee. I laugh and say “are you serious” because it seemed cliche. He says yes so I say ok sure and turn to go into the house and grab him some, except he follows me in and into my kitchen. He had brought a coffee with him and then helped himself opening drawers to find himself a spoon. He then said how it’s cool that we both work from home, what time do I have my lunches usually, suggesting essentially that we could have lunches at the same time. He told me he likes to draw and saw some of my artwork, then suggested we should do some drawing together sometime. All questions after this were the type that enabled him to get close and have physical contact - I like your rings, folllowed by holding my hand and leaning in close to look at them, I like your tattoos, followed by holding my wrist and arm and running his hand over them, what size are your ears stretched to, can I have a look, followed by moving in to look closely at my ears. After a while I said sorry you need to go, I have work to do, do you want to take some sugar with you - he said no that’s fine I’ll go to the shop later - the shop which is less than a minutes walk from his house. I thought the whole thing was weird but gave him the benefit of the doubt that maybe he is very over-familiar and lacking in self-awareness, and maybe he genuinely needed some sugar.

3pm - there’s a knock at the door again, and it’s him again. I go down there, he says sorry can I grab some more sugar, I say fine and again he follows me into the house, again helping himself to a spoon. The front door has been left open, I say I need to make sure my cat hasn’t run out and he tells me I can close the door. I do this so my cat doesn’t run out and then immediately start heaping sugar into a bowl so he can take it and just get out, in the middle of doing this he says hey can I look at your tattoo again and takes hold of my wrist, runs his hand over the tattoo again and slowly up my forearm. At this point I am kind of in a corner and I panic, pull away and say I really need to get on so here’s your sugar. I then march quickly to the front door to get it open and on the way out, he says by the way - you don’t need to tell your partner I came round. I say he already knows you’ve been here.

This is all really creepy, right!?

So I tell my partner all of this and how uncomfortable I felt and he’s furious. The next day, he sees my neighbour’s partner in the street and asks her for a word, says her boyfriend made me feel very uncomfortable in our house yesterday and can we have our sugar pot back. She is baffled - why was he in our house and why does he have our pot. He explains, she goes into their house and 20 minutes later, they are both on the doorstep and he is very politely apologising for making me feel uncomfortable and asking me to explain what he did that made me feel that way. This gets my back up straight away because he knows full well, and I tell him so. He denies saying that I didn’t need to tell my partner and tells me I’m overreacting. I tell him he’s gaslighting me, and that he’s a creep. I then ask his girlfriend if they had sugar at home yesterday - she tells me yes, they did. I tell him I have no idea what his intentions were but they did not originate in a place of honesty, he had sugar at home, an open door is not an invitation in, and his behaviour in my house/towards me was unnerving. I apologised to his partner because it can’t have been nice having someone stand there and call their fella a creep.

I’m right, right!!? I’m sure I am, but I’m such an overthinker, I’m overthinking myself into thinking I’ve gone overboard..

I overthink too, so I know where you're coming from.

He's a dangerous creep. Thank goodness you've alerted the girlfriend. Well done to your partner.

Edenmum2 · 21/05/2024 13:31

When he came back the second time why didn't you tell him to go to the shop the cheeky bastard.

This is why I never answer the door to strangers

WearyAuldWumman · 21/05/2024 13:36

CactusMactus · 21/05/2024 10:52

I am an epic gossip - but I would certainly mention this to any other woman on your street. Just to see if he has popped by their houses in the day and to forward them.
Safty in numbers.

Agreed.

I'm in my 60s. Until my darling husband died 3 yrs ago, I was his carer. After I spoke to another couple of widows who had also been carers for their husbands, I discovered that the creepy old widower across the road had hit on all of us.

No...I'm not making this up. Started off as a normal conversation that degenerated into something else before I realised what was happening. I recall trying to laugh it off and wondering what I'd done wrong.

I felt better once I'd spoken to the other women. As I told them, he claimed to be in his 50s. The only thing 50 about him would be his false teeth.

I just avoid him now. He spoke to me once, to give me his condolences. I think I'm safe now that I'm a widow - he specifically seems to look for women who are carers.

Toebeanzornottoebeanz · 21/05/2024 13:39

Womanofcustard · 21/05/2024 13:26

Can you put in a Claire’s Law request for yourself, after your neighbour has co-erced his way into your house and touched you?

Thank you - I’d have to look into it, but I was under the impression that a Claire’s Law request can only be made if you are concerned about your own partner, or the partner of a loved one? I might be wrong!

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Toebeanzornottoebeanz · 21/05/2024 13:39

WearyAuldWumman · 21/05/2024 13:36

Agreed.

I'm in my 60s. Until my darling husband died 3 yrs ago, I was his carer. After I spoke to another couple of widows who had also been carers for their husbands, I discovered that the creepy old widower across the road had hit on all of us.

No...I'm not making this up. Started off as a normal conversation that degenerated into something else before I realised what was happening. I recall trying to laugh it off and wondering what I'd done wrong.

I felt better once I'd spoken to the other women. As I told them, he claimed to be in his 50s. The only thing 50 about him would be his false teeth.

I just avoid him now. He spoke to me once, to give me his condolences. I think I'm safe now that I'm a widow - he specifically seems to look for women who are carers.

Thank you for sharing!! Glad you’re able to avoid him.

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CucumberBagel · 21/05/2024 13:43

Why did you let him in twice????

MrsClatterbuck · 21/05/2024 13:44

Ohyay · 21/05/2024 11:18

Hello OP hope you are feeling ok

I would be inclined to report this via 101. You dont have to have him spoken to. It can be recorded and closed but it sounds like his actions were premeditated. He didnt need sugar. This is potentially his MO and with any luck they eventually move. But it strikes me as a pattern of behaviour. This isnt to pressurise or victim blame (Police professional) but things like this build a bigger picture of offenders. Ultimately he has touched you without consent. This would constitute a common assault.
We do log intelligence / advice matters. Something to think about.

Take care and hats off to your partner for calling out his behaviour x

This good advice. Definitely report as it does build up a picture and he definitely has done this before whether he has been reported or not. The police need to have him on their radar.

WhoIsnt · 21/05/2024 13:44

You are completely right. WELL DONE for standing up for yourself, for telling your partner and for also calling him out when he tried to gaslight you. Well done.

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Is that because men don't behave like this?
Cos I have some unfortunate news to share with you, if that's what you think.

snazzychair · 21/05/2024 13:50

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@Chael86 OP SORRY - that's completely rubbish of me for replying with this, very rude of me and I'm sorry.

Please ignore and I won't comment further.

RockAndRollerskate · 21/05/2024 13:52

OP you’re blaming yourself for letting him in, but honestly - what else could you do in the moment? We’re conditioned to be polite, accommodating and of course, why wouldn’t you lend a neighbour sugar… he was counting on this.

Very concerning behaviour from him and I think you did everything right

IncompleteSenten · 21/05/2024 13:52

@Chael86 many years ago when I lived alone in a bedsit my (male) neighbour invited me round to his. I felt uneasy and didn't want to but I was young, shy and scared and I just meekly went there because I didn't want to appear rude or as though I thought he was creepy.

Even though I did think he was creepy!

Anyway, I got into the doorway and there was a second man sitting on the sofa.

In that second the hair on the back of my neck stood up, my heart was hammering and my mouth went dry. I knew. I just knew. I knew instinctively in that split second that if I stepped one more foot forward I was stepping into danger.

So I made some excuse I don't even remember what I said and I legged it to my bedsit and locked myself in and I was shaking.

This shit happens. It does. Fucking creepy men are everywhere pulling all sorts of stunts.

I was terrified for ages. Hyper alert coming and going from my bedsit and moved as soon as I was able to.

So please don't listen to people telling you encounters like you describe don't happen.

I mean I fucking wish they didn't happen. But they do

Wheredidileavemycarkeys · 21/05/2024 13:57

This guy sounds dangerous never mind creepy. He followed you into your house, starts rummaging through your draws started man-handling you?!

Then he wants to know what he did to make you feel uncomfortable? Did you say “Well it might of been you barging into my house uninvited and pawing at me”

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