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Creepy neighbour - thoughts!?

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Toebeanzornottoebeanz · 21/05/2024 07:13

Hello! I had a strange encounter with a neighbour last week which made me feel very uncomfortable. I’m sure I’m right, but my mind will always minimise things/mitigate for people so I wanted to run the situation past others and see if your thoughts support mine!

Thursday, 1pm there’s a knock on my door, I don’t answer, they knock again, this time louder. I look out the window and see that it’s a fairly new neighbour who I’ve only met once or twice in passing and never really spoken to. He lives with his girlfriend and his child. I open the door and he says he’s sorry to bother me but do I have any sugar, he’s run out and really needs a coffee. I laugh and say “are you serious” because it seemed cliche. He says yes so I say ok sure and turn to go into the house and grab him some, except he follows me in and into my kitchen. He had brought a coffee with him and then helped himself opening drawers to find himself a spoon. He then said how it’s cool that we both work from home, what time do I have my lunches usually, suggesting essentially that we could have lunches at the same time. He told me he likes to draw and saw some of my artwork, then suggested we should do some drawing together sometime. All questions after this were the type that enabled him to get close and have physical contact - I like your rings, folllowed by holding my hand and leaning in close to look at them, I like your tattoos, followed by holding my wrist and arm and running his hand over them, what size are your ears stretched to, can I have a look, followed by moving in to look closely at my ears. After a while I said sorry you need to go, I have work to do, do you want to take some sugar with you - he said no that’s fine I’ll go to the shop later - the shop which is less than a minutes walk from his house. I thought the whole thing was weird but gave him the benefit of the doubt that maybe he is very over-familiar and lacking in self-awareness, and maybe he genuinely needed some sugar.

3pm - there’s a knock at the door again, and it’s him again. I go down there, he says sorry can I grab some more sugar, I say fine and again he follows me into the house, again helping himself to a spoon. The front door has been left open, I say I need to make sure my cat hasn’t run out and he tells me I can close the door. I do this so my cat doesn’t run out and then immediately start heaping sugar into a bowl so he can take it and just get out, in the middle of doing this he says hey can I look at your tattoo again and takes hold of my wrist, runs his hand over the tattoo again and slowly up my forearm. At this point I am kind of in a corner and I panic, pull away and say I really need to get on so here’s your sugar. I then march quickly to the front door to get it open and on the way out, he says by the way - you don’t need to tell your partner I came round. I say he already knows you’ve been here.

This is all really creepy, right!?

So I tell my partner all of this and how uncomfortable I felt and he’s furious. The next day, he sees my neighbour’s partner in the street and asks her for a word, says her boyfriend made me feel very uncomfortable in our house yesterday and can we have our sugar pot back. She is baffled - why was he in our house and why does he have our pot. He explains, she goes into their house and 20 minutes later, they are both on the doorstep and he is very politely apologising for making me feel uncomfortable and asking me to explain what he did that made me feel that way. This gets my back up straight away because he knows full well, and I tell him so. He denies saying that I didn’t need to tell my partner and tells me I’m overreacting. I tell him he’s gaslighting me, and that he’s a creep. I then ask his girlfriend if they had sugar at home yesterday - she tells me yes, they did. I tell him I have no idea what his intentions were but they did not originate in a place of honesty, he had sugar at home, an open door is not an invitation in, and his behaviour in my house/towards me was unnerving. I apologised to his partner because it can’t have been nice having someone stand there and call their fella a creep.

I’m right, right!!? I’m sure I am, but I’m such an overthinker, I’m overthinking myself into thinking I’ve gone overboard..

OP posts:
Churchview · 21/05/2024 10:23

CatSucker · 21/05/2024 07:18

The creepy fucker! And his poor GF.

Get a Ring doorbell and never answer the door to him again.

Yep. This.

ThereAreNoSloesOnThere · 21/05/2024 10:24

That whole story has made ME feel anxious and worried and queasy.

He's a predator.

Silverliver · 21/05/2024 10:26

Who are the 1% that think you are unreasonable and how have they been so conditioned to predatory behaviour 😩

Definitely report

DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 21/05/2024 10:27

ClockworkDisaster · 21/05/2024 07:18

No you are right. He was extremely inappropriate. I have had friends for years who wouldn’t have felt it appropriate to touch me like that, let alone first proper meeting.

I wouldn’t answer the door to him again.

Agreed

OP, steer well clear - refuse to answer door - say you was working, conference call etc - see what others have to say, ie people next door on the other side etc

just keep on lying to him and not open the door eg, on phone, conference call, had a headache etc etc

don't get into chats with him - just hi and bye as you are busy

Smittenkitchen · 21/05/2024 10:30

I'm so sorry you've been through this OP. It's NOT your fault.

ChocolateBiscuitsandaCuppa · 21/05/2024 10:32

Not much to add OP other than you and your partner handled it so well. It's so hard to call out that kind of creepy behaviour. and hopefully make him think again (not that I believe he will).

Justrelax · 21/05/2024 10:33

So sorry you went through that. Your mind must be ruminating and going over the 'what ifs' so allow yourself time to process and be kind to yourself.

It's not helpful when people say 'You shouldn't have let him in the second time' as of course what's done is done, but I think as women it's worth remembering that kindness can get us killed. We are often socialised not to make a fuss, not to make people feel uncomfortable, to 'be kind' etc and that mentality can put us in difficult or downright dangerous situations. I would have found iti very hard to say that second time, 'No I'm busy - could you go to the shop please?' but it's the right thing to do.

JoleneTookHerMan · 21/05/2024 10:33

2Old2Tango · 21/05/2024 07:34

After the first time you were daft to entertain him the second time. You should have pointed out you were busy and there's a shop a minute down the road. Defo get a video doorbell.

Exactly what I thought.

He well and truly crossed the line the first time he came into the house and made you feel uncomfortable, why on Earth would you let him in a second time?

eurochick · 21/05/2024 10:36

My chest was tightening reading that description. He is a creepy predator, relying on politeness and female conditioning to overstep boundaries. Please be very careful (and obviously never open the door to him again).

PremiumListing · 21/05/2024 10:37

Toebeanzornottoebeanz · 21/05/2024 10:17

Thank you - I think this is why I feel so upset. I am that easygoing, friendly type of person who will look for the best, and while I know rationally that his behaviour isn’t my fault, it is hard not to be angry with myself for being that person and not immediately acting on my instincts. Your posts are helpful, thank you!

All of your reactions are perfectly natural and are very familiar.

The only person who deserves our anger is the predator, being kind and friendly is never a crime. It is he who should feel ashamed and disgusted with himself. He is dark and nasty.

Celebrate your warm heart and goodness, absolutely do not beat yourself up for it!

The only thing that has happened here is you are picking up a tool or two to deal with the undesirables in the world who ruin exchanges of kindness for everyone.

This kind of individual really needs dealing with aggressively, thank goodness your partner was there.

You’ve got this. Lesson learned. Don’t worry about it! He’s not worth a minute of your time.

Do something nice this evening the pair of you, bring some lightness back into the house, play, laugh, have fun! Hug 💐

Toebeanzornottoebeanz · 21/05/2024 10:39

PremiumListing · 21/05/2024 10:37

All of your reactions are perfectly natural and are very familiar.

The only person who deserves our anger is the predator, being kind and friendly is never a crime. It is he who should feel ashamed and disgusted with himself. He is dark and nasty.

Celebrate your warm heart and goodness, absolutely do not beat yourself up for it!

The only thing that has happened here is you are picking up a tool or two to deal with the undesirables in the world who ruin exchanges of kindness for everyone.

This kind of individual really needs dealing with aggressively, thank goodness your partner was there.

You’ve got this. Lesson learned. Don’t worry about it! He’s not worth a minute of your time.

Do something nice this evening the pair of you, bring some lightness back into the house, play, laugh, have fun! Hug 💐

Thank you! ❤️

OP posts:
TallulahBetty · 21/05/2024 10:41

Well done, you both handled it great.

Deffo get a chain for the door, and the MN classic 'log it with 101' has never been more appropriate.

TheUsualChaos · 21/05/2024 10:43

Wowsers that is off the scale. He thought he saw an opportunity to have a nice little WFH affair with his neighbour. You weren't interested and now he tries to pretend you were imagining it all. His poor gf, I hope she sees the red flags and runs a mile but unfortunately he will probably convince her you are the crazy lady next door. Just ignore, trust your instincts and live your life.

Camera doorbell and don't answer to him again.

PremiumListing · 21/05/2024 10:48

Toebeanzornottoebeanz · 21/05/2024 10:17

Thank you - I think this is why I feel so upset. I am that easygoing, friendly type of person who will look for the best, and while I know rationally that his behaviour isn’t my fault, it is hard not to be angry with myself for being that person and not immediately acting on my instincts. Your posts are helpful, thank you!

What is great to read is that your instincts did actually kick, such that you became aware of them, that’s great!

The vast majority of the job of teaching people how to protect themselves is recognising those instincts.

The final step is to obey them and get the hell out of dodge when necessary, fuck politeness or hurting anyone’s feelings (predators don’t care about your feelings - in fact, they like causing harm), leave, create a scene, do whatever is necessary for your safety and ask questions later.

LlynTegid · 21/05/2024 10:49

Logging it with 101 or a Claire's Law check seems right to do. The girlfriend needs some help to escape from this man, not sure of the best way.

SheddingCat · 21/05/2024 10:51

You don’t need to question yourself on this one. I feel sorry for that creep’s girlfriend.

Take a mental note in the future to tell any strange visitors ‘i’ll be right back’ and close the door leaving them waiting outside if you need to get something.

I like how you dealt with it all, it is all out in the open, your dp and his gf knows so hopefully this won’t happen ever again. The guy has a brass neck to do this in the first place and then ask you to explain yourself why you felt uncomfortable. Like it’s your fault, yeah right. He knows full well what happened and he’s not even ashamed of himself.

CactusMactus · 21/05/2024 10:52

I am an epic gossip - but I would certainly mention this to any other woman on your street. Just to see if he has popped by their houses in the day and to forward them.
Safty in numbers.

Toebeanzornottoebeanz · 21/05/2024 10:53

CactusMactus · 21/05/2024 10:52

I am an epic gossip - but I would certainly mention this to any other woman on your street. Just to see if he has popped by their houses in the day and to forward them.
Safty in numbers.

Yes 100% - a couple have had the heads up over the weekend 👍🏻

OP posts:
IncompleteSenten · 21/05/2024 10:56

He is a creepy fucker. Hopefully he will leave you alone now.
God knows what he's done to other women because there's no way what you describe is the first time!

Best keep your door locked or chained in case he does come back. He sounds like someone who does not think the word no is much of a problem, tbvh.

Conniebygaslight · 21/05/2024 11:00

Toebeanzornottoebeanz · 21/05/2024 10:17

Thank you - I think this is why I feel so upset. I am that easygoing, friendly type of person who will look for the best, and while I know rationally that his behaviour isn’t my fault, it is hard not to be angry with myself for being that person and not immediately acting on my instincts. Your posts are helpful, thank you!

This is how people get away with it and their behaviour escalates. Look at Wayne Couzens as a typical example. I'm like you very easy going but I think that is sometimes to my detriment (I was brought up to be low maintenance and not cause a fuss). Please report this OP, you can just ask them to record it.

MenopauseSucks · 21/05/2024 11:01

Conniebygaslight · 21/05/2024 08:12

Jesus! that's not creepy, that's dangerous, he's gone straight to cornering you and touching you! I'd be informing the police, doing a Claire's law check and be moving. I might sound alarmist but that is so bloody bad OP, I'm so sorry.

I was also going to suggest an online report to the police & a Clare's Law request.
I realise I might sound a bit OTT in my reaction but I live alone & behaviour like that from a neighbour would make me extremely worried.

The man has no boundaries & whilst the OP is lucky she has an DP, another woman living alone might not be so fortunate.
A Ring doorbell is very important & maybe some CCTV out the front.

WickedSerious · 21/05/2024 11:03

IncompleteSenten · 21/05/2024 10:56

He is a creepy fucker. Hopefully he will leave you alone now.
God knows what he's done to other women because there's no way what you describe is the first time!

Best keep your door locked or chained in case he does come back. He sounds like someone who does not think the word no is much of a problem, tbvh.

I'd say he's definitely got away with this in the past.

Makes me wonder where they lived previously and why they moved.

ThreePointOneFourOneFiveNine · 21/05/2024 11:04

Blimey, I'd have been terrified! I hope you're okay. Definitely report it, and warn other women on the street. No way has this come out of the blue, he's done this sort of thing before.

Toebeanzornottoebeanz · 21/05/2024 11:07

WickedSerious · 21/05/2024 11:03

I'd say he's definitely got away with this in the past.

Makes me wonder where they lived previously and why they moved.

Exactly what I thought re: moving!

OP posts:
KikiShaLeeBopDeBopBop · 21/05/2024 11:07

ThereAreNoSloesOnThere · 21/05/2024 10:24

That whole story has made ME feel anxious and worried and queasy.

He's a predator.

I know, right?!

Peephole & chain on the door as an absolute minimum.

I so relate to your anger after the event of kind of going along with it at the time, this is what happens with so many of us and creeps/predators use to their advantage. I bet victim blamers have had occasions when they only think of a retort to someone who's been rude or nasty after the event!