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Creepy neighbour - thoughts!?

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Toebeanzornottoebeanz · 21/05/2024 07:13

Hello! I had a strange encounter with a neighbour last week which made me feel very uncomfortable. I’m sure I’m right, but my mind will always minimise things/mitigate for people so I wanted to run the situation past others and see if your thoughts support mine!

Thursday, 1pm there’s a knock on my door, I don’t answer, they knock again, this time louder. I look out the window and see that it’s a fairly new neighbour who I’ve only met once or twice in passing and never really spoken to. He lives with his girlfriend and his child. I open the door and he says he’s sorry to bother me but do I have any sugar, he’s run out and really needs a coffee. I laugh and say “are you serious” because it seemed cliche. He says yes so I say ok sure and turn to go into the house and grab him some, except he follows me in and into my kitchen. He had brought a coffee with him and then helped himself opening drawers to find himself a spoon. He then said how it’s cool that we both work from home, what time do I have my lunches usually, suggesting essentially that we could have lunches at the same time. He told me he likes to draw and saw some of my artwork, then suggested we should do some drawing together sometime. All questions after this were the type that enabled him to get close and have physical contact - I like your rings, folllowed by holding my hand and leaning in close to look at them, I like your tattoos, followed by holding my wrist and arm and running his hand over them, what size are your ears stretched to, can I have a look, followed by moving in to look closely at my ears. After a while I said sorry you need to go, I have work to do, do you want to take some sugar with you - he said no that’s fine I’ll go to the shop later - the shop which is less than a minutes walk from his house. I thought the whole thing was weird but gave him the benefit of the doubt that maybe he is very over-familiar and lacking in self-awareness, and maybe he genuinely needed some sugar.

3pm - there’s a knock at the door again, and it’s him again. I go down there, he says sorry can I grab some more sugar, I say fine and again he follows me into the house, again helping himself to a spoon. The front door has been left open, I say I need to make sure my cat hasn’t run out and he tells me I can close the door. I do this so my cat doesn’t run out and then immediately start heaping sugar into a bowl so he can take it and just get out, in the middle of doing this he says hey can I look at your tattoo again and takes hold of my wrist, runs his hand over the tattoo again and slowly up my forearm. At this point I am kind of in a corner and I panic, pull away and say I really need to get on so here’s your sugar. I then march quickly to the front door to get it open and on the way out, he says by the way - you don’t need to tell your partner I came round. I say he already knows you’ve been here.

This is all really creepy, right!?

So I tell my partner all of this and how uncomfortable I felt and he’s furious. The next day, he sees my neighbour’s partner in the street and asks her for a word, says her boyfriend made me feel very uncomfortable in our house yesterday and can we have our sugar pot back. She is baffled - why was he in our house and why does he have our pot. He explains, she goes into their house and 20 minutes later, they are both on the doorstep and he is very politely apologising for making me feel uncomfortable and asking me to explain what he did that made me feel that way. This gets my back up straight away because he knows full well, and I tell him so. He denies saying that I didn’t need to tell my partner and tells me I’m overreacting. I tell him he’s gaslighting me, and that he’s a creep. I then ask his girlfriend if they had sugar at home yesterday - she tells me yes, they did. I tell him I have no idea what his intentions were but they did not originate in a place of honesty, he had sugar at home, an open door is not an invitation in, and his behaviour in my house/towards me was unnerving. I apologised to his partner because it can’t have been nice having someone stand there and call their fella a creep.

I’m right, right!!? I’m sure I am, but I’m such an overthinker, I’m overthinking myself into thinking I’ve gone overboard..

OP posts:
user1492757084 · 24/05/2024 12:21

Install Doorbell camera.
Do not open the door to him again.

CountessWindyBottom · 24/05/2024 12:22

God, you poor thing @Chael86. Rest assured that how you responded was completely normal. You were in your own HOME, your safe sanctuary and responding to a relatively innocuous request for sugar.

We sound quite alike and while I'd consider myself street smart and have a wealth of life experience behind me, I tend to take people at face value and am open and friendly. And when you approach life with an open heart like this, it sometimes takes our brains a little while to catch up that 'this is not the situation I thought it is'. I think that you dealt with this creep as well as could be expected under the circumstances.

Do, please, get a ring doorbell. I'm glad that he has been called out and confronted so quickly but I don't like the sound of him at all so it would be good to have the security of having a camera in place to deter him further.

Hope you're ok 💕

Cherrysoup · 24/05/2024 12:24

He is the ultimate CF! Insanely cheeky-did he think you were gonna lie down and invite him to have sex?! Be on your guard, OP, horrible, but you have to be so careful. I'm glad you and your dp spoke to him and his gf, he'd have to be properly deluded to even look at you again.

What is it with some people stomping all over boundaries? The widower 2 doors down (older guy who'd recently lost his partner) promptly asked the widow next door to us out and mentioned moving into her house (he lives in a tiny HA flat). She was horrified and told him no: he kept trying. When he comes round-we do him occasional favours-he's been unwell-he tends to step up into my personal space onto the doorstep-who does that?! Very odd.

Toebeanzornottoebeanz · 24/05/2024 12:26

CountessWindyBottom · 24/05/2024 12:22

God, you poor thing @Chael86. Rest assured that how you responded was completely normal. You were in your own HOME, your safe sanctuary and responding to a relatively innocuous request for sugar.

We sound quite alike and while I'd consider myself street smart and have a wealth of life experience behind me, I tend to take people at face value and am open and friendly. And when you approach life with an open heart like this, it sometimes takes our brains a little while to catch up that 'this is not the situation I thought it is'. I think that you dealt with this creep as well as could be expected under the circumstances.

Do, please, get a ring doorbell. I'm glad that he has been called out and confronted so quickly but I don't like the sound of him at all so it would be good to have the security of having a camera in place to deter him further.

Hope you're ok 💕

Thank you!! ❤️

OP posts:
cerisepanther73 · 24/05/2024 12:50

@Noirdesir
You've totally nailed it 💯 per cent on your post 👏🏿 👌 🙌 on why @Chael86 and other women why they and myself including ignore their instincts in situations like this...

Thank you for your good emotionally intelligent insightful post....

Noirdesir · 24/05/2024 13:10

cerisepanther73 · 24/05/2024 12:50

@Noirdesir
You've totally nailed it 💯 per cent on your post 👏🏿 👌 🙌 on why @Chael86 and other women why they and myself including ignore their instincts in situations like this...

Thank you for your good emotionally intelligent insightful post....

😘thank you- the gift of fear book by Gavin de Becker explains this phenomenon really well too!

stardust777 · 24/05/2024 13:28

Hope you are ok OP.

That man is a disgusting creep. Good on you and your partner for calling out that behaviour. I'm sure he'll think twice about approaching a new neighbour now.

I would be tempted to put a chain on the front door in case he is brazen enough to try entering again. A ring doorbell might be worth getting too.

travelforthesoul · 24/05/2024 14:45

oh wow OP I have just read this thread. You poor thing, what a shock you must have had. You have had some great advice re ring doorbell etc, but I just wanted to say your partner and you have handled this so well.

Im sure creepy neighbour isnt the first time.

Toebeanzornottoebeanz · 24/05/2024 14:47

travelforthesoul · 24/05/2024 14:45

oh wow OP I have just read this thread. You poor thing, what a shock you must have had. You have had some great advice re ring doorbell etc, but I just wanted to say your partner and you have handled this so well.

Im sure creepy neighbour isnt the first time.

Thank you!! ❤️

OP posts:
Mostlycarbon · 24/05/2024 14:50

I think the people asking why you let him in a second time just don't want to admit that this kind of thing can happen to anyone. Anyone can be caught off guard/ caught on the back foot and compromise their personal safety. It's terrifying if you actually stop to think about it. What if you'd been single and not had a partner who could come and warn him off? What about the other single women on your road?

Have you heard anything from him since?

Ohnobackagain · 24/05/2024 14:50

Yes thanks @Horsemother I have.

EmbarrassedGardener · 24/05/2024 15:06

Glad to read you confronted him with your partner. Please report his behaviour as others have already suggested. The thought of him moving and doing this repeatedly gives me serious concerns.

Tartantunic · 24/05/2024 15:23

I can't believe you let him in a second time tbh.

WickedSerious · 24/05/2024 15:41

Tartantunic · 24/05/2024 15:23

I can't believe you let him in a second time tbh.

Really?

Imagine that.

DahliaMacNamara · 24/05/2024 15:44

Really well done on confronting him with both your partners there. And thanks to all the posters who've gone into the 'fawn' response to a threat, which has been my own, too many times. As in, I've had to invoke it too many times, not that it was a deficiency on my part. I've questioned myself about it afterwards, especially when people ask me why I didn't 'just tell him to fuck off'. Because escalating a situation when you're alone with somebody who's threatening you, however subtly, doesn't seem like the most rational response? It's hard to articulate when you acted on instinct. And easy to make judgements when you're looking at the situation from a comfortable distance.

Tartantunic · 24/05/2024 15:49

WickedSerious · 24/05/2024 15:41

Really?

Imagine that.

Well if I turned around and someone was in my kitchen, I'd have told him to get out immediately. He wouldn't have dared try it a second time. Men like this push boundaries with women they think will put up with it. I'm glad OP has confronted him.

Toebeanzornottoebeanz · 24/05/2024 15:52

Mostlycarbon · 24/05/2024 14:50

I think the people asking why you let him in a second time just don't want to admit that this kind of thing can happen to anyone. Anyone can be caught off guard/ caught on the back foot and compromise their personal safety. It's terrifying if you actually stop to think about it. What if you'd been single and not had a partner who could come and warn him off? What about the other single women on your road?

Have you heard anything from him since?

Thank you! No, nothing since thankfully. I noticed that their curtains seem to have been drawn ever since though, was starting to wonder what his partner might have done to him until I saw him scuttling about retrieving his wheelie bin yesterday.

OP posts:
ThatLibraryDebate · 24/05/2024 16:04

I'm a geek for this subject, so on Fawning and the other stress responses:

Fight, Flight, Freeze or Fold (collapse, or hide) are the 4 that a lot of people know. Fawn is sometimes lumped in with Folding or presented as a 5th.

Befriend (Fawning) Defend, End have also been proposed, and it's been suggested that these are more likely responses in women than in men.

In the moment of a stress situation (by which I mean a threat to our survival is perceived by our limbic system) our stress response is handled by a primitive part of the brain and happens BEFORE we can think. It's this way because thinking requires time (and energy) and that is something that in a life or death situation we don't necessarily have.

Which of these responses we as individuals have a tendency towards is established by our early exposure to stress situations and, because it gets embedded in the primitive part of the brain, it's very hard to change them. If your dad shouted at you at home and the way you got him to deescalate it was to appease him, you learn to Fawn. Women's tendency towards non-violent stress responses is probably a combination of genetics and socialisation.

Our automatic go to response for Stress situations is not always going to be the most useful for every stressor. If under threat of rape it's probably better to kick him in the nuts than to freeze like a rabbit in the headlights or to beg for mercy, unless he's brought a weapon or friends to the party, in which case your better chance of survival might well be passive compliance). Which is why it's both important to work out what our go-to response is, and to practice centering ourselves as soon as we are able to in a stressful situation, because while we can't override our automatic responses we get a chance to make a conscious choice after a short(er) period of time if we are able to gather ourselves.

OP you demonstrated this by fawning/ complying in the moment, moving to defend/end ("please leave now I need to work"), [break when you likely centered, relaxed and came out of stress response], back to fawning when he came back, and through to ending when you told your H and the four of you had it out. The conversation definitely sounds like it had elements of Fight to it and somebody or multiple people would have inevitably invoked End to end the conversation. It sounds like smart and agile use of survival strategies given what was available to you in the Stress situations to me.

tellmewhenthespaceshiplandscoz · 24/05/2024 16:11

Library** that's really interesting and very apt username Smile

EugenieInABottle · 24/05/2024 16:15

MN can be such a weird place! On another thread majority of people are complaining how anti social people have become, we need to be friendly, more inviting, open and all that. Screw that. I love being anti social, I don’t greet neighbours, smile at babies etc I keep to myself and am left alone. Open that door (and in OP’s case a literal door!) a smidgen and people will barge in and take advantage of you. No thanks I rather be known as grumpy and unhelpful!

Toebeanzornottoebeanz · 24/05/2024 16:24

ThatLibraryDebate · 24/05/2024 16:04

I'm a geek for this subject, so on Fawning and the other stress responses:

Fight, Flight, Freeze or Fold (collapse, or hide) are the 4 that a lot of people know. Fawn is sometimes lumped in with Folding or presented as a 5th.

Befriend (Fawning) Defend, End have also been proposed, and it's been suggested that these are more likely responses in women than in men.

In the moment of a stress situation (by which I mean a threat to our survival is perceived by our limbic system) our stress response is handled by a primitive part of the brain and happens BEFORE we can think. It's this way because thinking requires time (and energy) and that is something that in a life or death situation we don't necessarily have.

Which of these responses we as individuals have a tendency towards is established by our early exposure to stress situations and, because it gets embedded in the primitive part of the brain, it's very hard to change them. If your dad shouted at you at home and the way you got him to deescalate it was to appease him, you learn to Fawn. Women's tendency towards non-violent stress responses is probably a combination of genetics and socialisation.

Our automatic go to response for Stress situations is not always going to be the most useful for every stressor. If under threat of rape it's probably better to kick him in the nuts than to freeze like a rabbit in the headlights or to beg for mercy, unless he's brought a weapon or friends to the party, in which case your better chance of survival might well be passive compliance). Which is why it's both important to work out what our go-to response is, and to practice centering ourselves as soon as we are able to in a stressful situation, because while we can't override our automatic responses we get a chance to make a conscious choice after a short(er) period of time if we are able to gather ourselves.

OP you demonstrated this by fawning/ complying in the moment, moving to defend/end ("please leave now I need to work"), [break when you likely centered, relaxed and came out of stress response], back to fawning when he came back, and through to ending when you told your H and the four of you had it out. The conversation definitely sounds like it had elements of Fight to it and somebody or multiple people would have inevitably invoked End to end the conversation. It sounds like smart and agile use of survival strategies given what was available to you in the Stress situations to me.

Great post, really interesting so thank you!! ❤️ And you were spot on re: where fawning has come from for me personally.

OP posts:
AwfulMIL · 24/05/2024 17:13

PotatoPudding · 24/05/2024 07:12

Does your front door lock automatically without a key? Do you have a chain fitted? Maybe a video doorbell?

Any of these measures will probably help you feel safer when you’re at home alone.

It may even be worth a call to 112 in case he has form.

Second this. He may have previous form and maybe the police can react fast if he tries anything. Not in the uk so don’t know the full procedure.

impressed how you handled this op, given the weird circumstances

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neveradullmoment99 · 24/05/2024 17:15

Also, I know you were worried for your cat but to close the front door with him in the house the second time. This is totally unbelievable. Do you live in a open plan house? Surely you would just close the door the the cat was in?

taylorswift1989 · 24/05/2024 17:26

I don't think it's victim blaming to say that when some creepy guy touches you and creeps you out, you shouldn't then allow him another chance to do that. Telling him to fuck off the second time, or simply saying no, or shutting the door in his face would have been wise. If that feels like you're being rude, then I suggest some kind of self-development work is in order. Read 'The Gift of Fear' at least.

Never give people the benefit of the doubt. Always give yourself the benefit of the doubt.

I hope the guy gets everything that's coming to him. What a horrible creep.

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