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Creepy neighbour - thoughts!?

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Toebeanzornottoebeanz · 21/05/2024 07:13

Hello! I had a strange encounter with a neighbour last week which made me feel very uncomfortable. I’m sure I’m right, but my mind will always minimise things/mitigate for people so I wanted to run the situation past others and see if your thoughts support mine!

Thursday, 1pm there’s a knock on my door, I don’t answer, they knock again, this time louder. I look out the window and see that it’s a fairly new neighbour who I’ve only met once or twice in passing and never really spoken to. He lives with his girlfriend and his child. I open the door and he says he’s sorry to bother me but do I have any sugar, he’s run out and really needs a coffee. I laugh and say “are you serious” because it seemed cliche. He says yes so I say ok sure and turn to go into the house and grab him some, except he follows me in and into my kitchen. He had brought a coffee with him and then helped himself opening drawers to find himself a spoon. He then said how it’s cool that we both work from home, what time do I have my lunches usually, suggesting essentially that we could have lunches at the same time. He told me he likes to draw and saw some of my artwork, then suggested we should do some drawing together sometime. All questions after this were the type that enabled him to get close and have physical contact - I like your rings, folllowed by holding my hand and leaning in close to look at them, I like your tattoos, followed by holding my wrist and arm and running his hand over them, what size are your ears stretched to, can I have a look, followed by moving in to look closely at my ears. After a while I said sorry you need to go, I have work to do, do you want to take some sugar with you - he said no that’s fine I’ll go to the shop later - the shop which is less than a minutes walk from his house. I thought the whole thing was weird but gave him the benefit of the doubt that maybe he is very over-familiar and lacking in self-awareness, and maybe he genuinely needed some sugar.

3pm - there’s a knock at the door again, and it’s him again. I go down there, he says sorry can I grab some more sugar, I say fine and again he follows me into the house, again helping himself to a spoon. The front door has been left open, I say I need to make sure my cat hasn’t run out and he tells me I can close the door. I do this so my cat doesn’t run out and then immediately start heaping sugar into a bowl so he can take it and just get out, in the middle of doing this he says hey can I look at your tattoo again and takes hold of my wrist, runs his hand over the tattoo again and slowly up my forearm. At this point I am kind of in a corner and I panic, pull away and say I really need to get on so here’s your sugar. I then march quickly to the front door to get it open and on the way out, he says by the way - you don’t need to tell your partner I came round. I say he already knows you’ve been here.

This is all really creepy, right!?

So I tell my partner all of this and how uncomfortable I felt and he’s furious. The next day, he sees my neighbour’s partner in the street and asks her for a word, says her boyfriend made me feel very uncomfortable in our house yesterday and can we have our sugar pot back. She is baffled - why was he in our house and why does he have our pot. He explains, she goes into their house and 20 minutes later, they are both on the doorstep and he is very politely apologising for making me feel uncomfortable and asking me to explain what he did that made me feel that way. This gets my back up straight away because he knows full well, and I tell him so. He denies saying that I didn’t need to tell my partner and tells me I’m overreacting. I tell him he’s gaslighting me, and that he’s a creep. I then ask his girlfriend if they had sugar at home yesterday - she tells me yes, they did. I tell him I have no idea what his intentions were but they did not originate in a place of honesty, he had sugar at home, an open door is not an invitation in, and his behaviour in my house/towards me was unnerving. I apologised to his partner because it can’t have been nice having someone stand there and call their fella a creep.

I’m right, right!!? I’m sure I am, but I’m such an overthinker, I’m overthinking myself into thinking I’ve gone overboard..

OP posts:
Poettree · 24/05/2024 01:47

For those victim blaming, google fawning instinct. OP did the right thing by keeping things 'normal' as much as possible before getting him out the door. And let's not forget he just walked in, he didn't get invited. I feel like he may have been waiting for her to panic and then make his next move but by not breaking out of the act that everything was normal and neighbourly he couldn't do that. He was almost certainly building up to it though and she handled it perfectly.

If you read I Am I Am I Am by Maggie O'Farrell she does something similar to an attacker, because she knows that as soon as she stops things will change.

Nettie1964 · 24/05/2024 01:49

I do have dyslexia but no problem. Everything looks wrongly spelt to me. Auto correct is the only way I can cope.

WearyAuldWumman · 24/05/2024 02:05

Nettie1964 · 24/05/2024 01:49

I do have dyslexia but no problem. Everything looks wrongly spelt to me. Auto correct is the only way I can cope.

Aye, autocorrect doesn't always help.

I'm fortunate in that I've not got the family dyslexia per se, but I do have a problem with direction and following verbal instructions. To this day, I get mixed up with sewing, for example - I often can't remember which end I'm supposed to start from. Repetition does help, but it's a nightmare if I'm trying to follow something for the first time.

DreamTheMoors · 24/05/2024 02:13

Nanny0gg · 21/05/2024 18:34

Not all rapists are initially violent

I was raped at 15 on a school trip by the town mayor. He was older than my father.
He wasn’t violent.
He was a gigantic perv who finally killed himself 20 years later.
And I wore a red dress to his funeral and people thought I was the inappropriate one.
And since I thought it was my fault, I never told anyone until I was 50.
Don’t be like me.
Tell someone. Scream if you have to.
Tell everyone. Shout it from the mountaintops.

katmarie · 24/05/2024 02:35

I get it OP, he's clearly a weirdo, and he was clearly up to something, but in the moment its really hard to go against generations of conditioning, and tell someone to fuck off. Plus once he is in your house, kicking off at him may not end well. I dont know if I would have done much different. I'd like to say i wouldn't have opened the door the second time, but equally it would have felt incredibly rude and I'd have weighed that up against continuing living next door to him, and not wanting to cause bigger issues etc etc. I have a difficult neighbour, for other reasons, and it's a social minefield dealing with someone problematic who lives right next door.

So yes, definitely don't answer the door to him again, and I think you and your partner handled it really well. Can you train your cats to claw him viciously on sight in future?

IOYOYO · 24/05/2024 03:01

Jesus op, this is awful. You’re instincts are there to be trusted, and I agree with the pp who said that he was likely making micro assessments to see how far he could push things.

Theres a book called The gift of Fear - it’s a bit old but still completely relevant unfortunately. It makes for some grisly reading, but it really is all about empowering women to follow their instinsts rather than fawning or freezing as we’ve been taught to do.

YY to a Ring doorbell and calling the police tbh too. I don’t always have much faith that they do all they should, but it’s still a step you can take. Take care of yourself.

Catsmere · 24/05/2024 03:40

katmarie · 24/05/2024 02:35

I get it OP, he's clearly a weirdo, and he was clearly up to something, but in the moment its really hard to go against generations of conditioning, and tell someone to fuck off. Plus once he is in your house, kicking off at him may not end well. I dont know if I would have done much different. I'd like to say i wouldn't have opened the door the second time, but equally it would have felt incredibly rude and I'd have weighed that up against continuing living next door to him, and not wanting to cause bigger issues etc etc. I have a difficult neighbour, for other reasons, and it's a social minefield dealing with someone problematic who lives right next door.

So yes, definitely don't answer the door to him again, and I think you and your partner handled it really well. Can you train your cats to claw him viciously on sight in future?

Yes, the victim blamers are also overlooking that this foul man lives next door to the OP. It’s not like she can be confident of never seeing him again. Escalating on the spot could have been immediately dangerous, and potentially long term dangerous as well. Very glad her partner has her back. Fear of another man, or the police, are probably the only things that will stop him.

DahliaRose3 · 24/05/2024 03:53

OP I’m so sorry this happened to you! He is a huge dangerous creep! Sounds like the start of a crime story. I would genuinely be very scared and uncomfortable living next door to him.

For your own safety, and the safety of your pets, and other women please report this incident to the police. I would go in person.

The fact that he was brazen enough to do this and still stare you down afterwards is telling. I agree with others that this won’t be the first time he has done this.

echt · 24/05/2024 04:43

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Your first sentence shows you are still victim blaming.

NoThanksymm · 24/05/2024 05:52

Good job! Shut that down. Very creepy and scary!

Newnamehiwhodis · 24/05/2024 06:00

What the fuck! What a jerk! And anyone saying “should have” on this post needs to have their head checked.

op you did nothing wrong. You were brave and strong.
we are consistently shamed when we try to speak against these behaviors - and this could have grown into something truly awful.

im sorry you have to live next door to that creep.

Newnamehiwhodis · 24/05/2024 06:09

Toebeanzornottoebeanz · 21/05/2024 11:53

Thank you ❤️ also I have actually never heard - freeze, fawn - before and this just makes so much sense. I can see that “fawn” is always my response to a threat, but to know it is recognised as a stress response will definitely help me in not blaming myself for it!!

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Please do not blame yourself. You were brave, and you fought for yourself in the best way you could.
I was violated by a man like this when I was young - and my therapist told me that “freeze” is what children do, and when someone feels helpless or dominated, they go into a child state of mind, so it’s perfectly normal.
and “fawn” is a way to stay safe, by making sure the person who is a threat doesn’t get angry. It’s a completely instinctive thing. That you spoke up and got him out of there was BRAVE and you are STRONG.

please give yourself love and affirmations that you did, in fact, protect yourself, and you can be proud of that.

this is not an interaction to regret.

we have so much deep training as women to be polite at all costs - that you got him out of your home was very brave- it was going against a lot of deeply ingrained instincts.

well done, you.

I feel so sorry for his girlfriend. :(

Toebeanzornottoebeanz · 24/05/2024 06:12

Newnamehiwhodis · 24/05/2024 06:09

Please do not blame yourself. You were brave, and you fought for yourself in the best way you could.
I was violated by a man like this when I was young - and my therapist told me that “freeze” is what children do, and when someone feels helpless or dominated, they go into a child state of mind, so it’s perfectly normal.
and “fawn” is a way to stay safe, by making sure the person who is a threat doesn’t get angry. It’s a completely instinctive thing. That you spoke up and got him out of there was BRAVE and you are STRONG.

please give yourself love and affirmations that you did, in fact, protect yourself, and you can be proud of that.

this is not an interaction to regret.

we have so much deep training as women to be polite at all costs - that you got him out of your home was very brave- it was going against a lot of deeply ingrained instincts.

well done, you.

I feel so sorry for his girlfriend. :(

Thank you for this! ❤️

OP posts:
Toebeanzornottoebeanz · 24/05/2024 06:12

Newnamehiwhodis · 24/05/2024 06:00

What the fuck! What a jerk! And anyone saying “should have” on this post needs to have their head checked.

op you did nothing wrong. You were brave and strong.
we are consistently shamed when we try to speak against these behaviors - and this could have grown into something truly awful.

im sorry you have to live next door to that creep.

Thank you! ❤️

OP posts:
campingwithdoggo · 24/05/2024 06:14

@Nettie1964 you sound incredibly nasty and rather naive as well , it's all very well bragging about how you would have acted as well as putting the OP down, but you actually never know how you will react when something like that happens

You can't show compassion ? Ghastly !

Toebeanzornottoebeanz · 24/05/2024 06:19

IOYOYO · 24/05/2024 03:01

Jesus op, this is awful. You’re instincts are there to be trusted, and I agree with the pp who said that he was likely making micro assessments to see how far he could push things.

Theres a book called The gift of Fear - it’s a bit old but still completely relevant unfortunately. It makes for some grisly reading, but it really is all about empowering women to follow their instinsts rather than fawning or freezing as we’ve been taught to do.

YY to a Ring doorbell and calling the police tbh too. I don’t always have much faith that they do all they should, but it’s still a step you can take. Take care of yourself.

Thank you - I’m not sure that freezing or fawning are what we’ve been “taught” to do, these are instinctive responses, our minds/bodies go to these to keep us safe. What we have been taught to do is be kind, be hospitable, be polite etc. and why wouldn’t I when my seemingly harmless neighbour comes to ask for some sugar at 1pm on a Thursday. 🤷‍♀️

Thank you very much for your post and for the book recommendation! A few other people have suggested this and I have ordered a copy ❤️

OP posts:
Toebeanzornottoebeanz · 24/05/2024 06:24

katmarie · 24/05/2024 02:35

I get it OP, he's clearly a weirdo, and he was clearly up to something, but in the moment its really hard to go against generations of conditioning, and tell someone to fuck off. Plus once he is in your house, kicking off at him may not end well. I dont know if I would have done much different. I'd like to say i wouldn't have opened the door the second time, but equally it would have felt incredibly rude and I'd have weighed that up against continuing living next door to him, and not wanting to cause bigger issues etc etc. I have a difficult neighbour, for other reasons, and it's a social minefield dealing with someone problematic who lives right next door.

So yes, definitely don't answer the door to him again, and I think you and your partner handled it really well. Can you train your cats to claw him viciously on sight in future?

Thank you ❤️ weaponising the cats has crossed my mind!

OP posts:
PrincessTeaSet · 24/05/2024 06:51

I've been sexually assaulted and freezing or appeasement is a completely normal response - it's only afterwards as you are stewing over it that you think about what you should have done! On subsequent occasions, all of which have been on the street or public transport, shouting at them or swearing at them has made them immediately back off. This really is surprisingly effective. In your scenario (second visit, creepiness ramping up) the safest thing would probably have been to leave your house yourself, rather than try to get him to leave.

It's helpful to roleplay in your mind what you would do if something like this happens again, if you've rehearsed it you are more likely to think of it in the moment.

Toebeanzornottoebeanz · 24/05/2024 06:53

Poettree · 24/05/2024 01:47

For those victim blaming, google fawning instinct. OP did the right thing by keeping things 'normal' as much as possible before getting him out the door. And let's not forget he just walked in, he didn't get invited. I feel like he may have been waiting for her to panic and then make his next move but by not breaking out of the act that everything was normal and neighbourly he couldn't do that. He was almost certainly building up to it though and she handled it perfectly.

If you read I Am I Am I Am by Maggie O'Farrell she does something similar to an attacker, because she knows that as soon as she stops things will change.

Thank you for this! ❤️ I think people are also forgetting that they have the luxury of time and distance and a place of safety from which to read this scenario through and come to conclusions about how they’d act while not actually experiencing all the confusion and pressure of the situation. It’s not like this person was overtly aggressive etc, it was subtle tests, he was chatty in amongst all this, bringing things in and out of what might be normal, and I was doing my best to keep him at “normal”. I made the usual excuses for him - overfamiliar, on the odd side but surely not dangerous, not at 1pm on a Thursday in my own home, he has a child etc etc. and yes this allowed him access a second time, but I acted to get him out as soon as he repeated the earlier behaviour and my concerns ramped up.

Another book I’ll take a look at - thank you!!

OP posts:
CormorantStrikesBack · 24/05/2024 06:54

If anything you under reacted not over reacted. I’d have been shouting at him to get out my fucking house!

keep your front door locked, don’t answer to him ever again. Creepy fucker.

Toebeanzornottoebeanz · 24/05/2024 06:59

PrincessTeaSet · 24/05/2024 06:51

I've been sexually assaulted and freezing or appeasement is a completely normal response - it's only afterwards as you are stewing over it that you think about what you should have done! On subsequent occasions, all of which have been on the street or public transport, shouting at them or swearing at them has made them immediately back off. This really is surprisingly effective. In your scenario (second visit, creepiness ramping up) the safest thing would probably have been to leave your house yourself, rather than try to get him to leave.

It's helpful to roleplay in your mind what you would do if something like this happens again, if you've rehearsed it you are more likely to think of it in the moment.

Thank you for sharing!

Yes - it’s certainly a different experience in your own home, I’ve told people where to go in other environments before - on a train, in a pub for example. But these were different in their approach too - much more overt, more obvious intent. I think you’re right re: leaving the house myself, if I hadn’t been able to get him to go just by telling him to. Thank you! ❤️

OP posts:
PotatoPudding · 24/05/2024 07:12

Does your front door lock automatically without a key? Do you have a chain fitted? Maybe a video doorbell?

Any of these measures will probably help you feel safer when you’re at home alone.

It may even be worth a call to 112 in case he has form.

MFF2010 · 24/05/2024 08:04

YANBU, however I do think your DH was inappropriate to approaching the creeps wife, that must have been disconcerting for her.

ClairDeLaLune · 24/05/2024 08:52

imnotsickbutimnotwell · 21/05/2024 07:28

Why did you let him in twice? If I didn’t know him I would have said “sorry no sugar but the shop sells it”. Get a video doorbell! Don’t answer the door to him again.

Victim blaming much. Probably because women are conditioned to be nice and subservient, and all that “Be kind” shit.

Bluebunnylover · 24/05/2024 08:57

This gave me the chills. Reminded me of the news story Joanna Yeates killed by her neighbour. You were so right to trust your instincts and call him out publicly.

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