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Creepy neighbour - thoughts!?

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Toebeanzornottoebeanz · 21/05/2024 07:13

Hello! I had a strange encounter with a neighbour last week which made me feel very uncomfortable. I’m sure I’m right, but my mind will always minimise things/mitigate for people so I wanted to run the situation past others and see if your thoughts support mine!

Thursday, 1pm there’s a knock on my door, I don’t answer, they knock again, this time louder. I look out the window and see that it’s a fairly new neighbour who I’ve only met once or twice in passing and never really spoken to. He lives with his girlfriend and his child. I open the door and he says he’s sorry to bother me but do I have any sugar, he’s run out and really needs a coffee. I laugh and say “are you serious” because it seemed cliche. He says yes so I say ok sure and turn to go into the house and grab him some, except he follows me in and into my kitchen. He had brought a coffee with him and then helped himself opening drawers to find himself a spoon. He then said how it’s cool that we both work from home, what time do I have my lunches usually, suggesting essentially that we could have lunches at the same time. He told me he likes to draw and saw some of my artwork, then suggested we should do some drawing together sometime. All questions after this were the type that enabled him to get close and have physical contact - I like your rings, folllowed by holding my hand and leaning in close to look at them, I like your tattoos, followed by holding my wrist and arm and running his hand over them, what size are your ears stretched to, can I have a look, followed by moving in to look closely at my ears. After a while I said sorry you need to go, I have work to do, do you want to take some sugar with you - he said no that’s fine I’ll go to the shop later - the shop which is less than a minutes walk from his house. I thought the whole thing was weird but gave him the benefit of the doubt that maybe he is very over-familiar and lacking in self-awareness, and maybe he genuinely needed some sugar.

3pm - there’s a knock at the door again, and it’s him again. I go down there, he says sorry can I grab some more sugar, I say fine and again he follows me into the house, again helping himself to a spoon. The front door has been left open, I say I need to make sure my cat hasn’t run out and he tells me I can close the door. I do this so my cat doesn’t run out and then immediately start heaping sugar into a bowl so he can take it and just get out, in the middle of doing this he says hey can I look at your tattoo again and takes hold of my wrist, runs his hand over the tattoo again and slowly up my forearm. At this point I am kind of in a corner and I panic, pull away and say I really need to get on so here’s your sugar. I then march quickly to the front door to get it open and on the way out, he says by the way - you don’t need to tell your partner I came round. I say he already knows you’ve been here.

This is all really creepy, right!?

So I tell my partner all of this and how uncomfortable I felt and he’s furious. The next day, he sees my neighbour’s partner in the street and asks her for a word, says her boyfriend made me feel very uncomfortable in our house yesterday and can we have our sugar pot back. She is baffled - why was he in our house and why does he have our pot. He explains, she goes into their house and 20 minutes later, they are both on the doorstep and he is very politely apologising for making me feel uncomfortable and asking me to explain what he did that made me feel that way. This gets my back up straight away because he knows full well, and I tell him so. He denies saying that I didn’t need to tell my partner and tells me I’m overreacting. I tell him he’s gaslighting me, and that he’s a creep. I then ask his girlfriend if they had sugar at home yesterday - she tells me yes, they did. I tell him I have no idea what his intentions were but they did not originate in a place of honesty, he had sugar at home, an open door is not an invitation in, and his behaviour in my house/towards me was unnerving. I apologised to his partner because it can’t have been nice having someone stand there and call their fella a creep.

I’m right, right!!? I’m sure I am, but I’m such an overthinker, I’m overthinking myself into thinking I’ve gone overboard..

OP posts:
YourKindPeachMaker · 24/05/2024 09:06

He’s a serial killer until proven otherwise

5128gap · 24/05/2024 09:10

I think you need to throw all neighbourliness out of the window now and actively dissociate with them. He will try and frame it as a misunderstanding and try to squirm back in, likely convincing his wife you were paranoid. If he approaches, tell him you don't want to be disturbed and don't engage. Unfortunately I'd be extending this to his wife as well. As while she may be blameless, you don't want to give him any 'in'.

Snazzysausage · 24/05/2024 09:21

I commented right at the beginning and can't believe there are are still posters bashing her. She knows she shouldn't have let him in - now.It's always easy after the fact to say "well you should have done this",when it's not you, or "I'd have done that". You can't be 100% certain what you'd do in that moment. We all hope we'd act a certain way,no doubt the OP assumed in those circumstances she'd be straight on the defensive but in the moment she wasn't. I expect she's kicking herself for not acting how she thought she would. Hindsight is a wonderful thing. I hope the cretinous neighbour leaves her be.

sugarrosepetal · 24/05/2024 09:24

Conniebygaslight · 21/05/2024 08:12

Jesus! that's not creepy, that's dangerous, he's gone straight to cornering you and touching you! I'd be informing the police, doing a Claire's law check and be moving. I might sound alarmist but that is so bloody bad OP, I'm so sorry.

Definitely do this

Noirdesir · 24/05/2024 09:27

I commented right at the beginning and can't believe there are are still posters bashing her. She knows she shouldn't have let him in - now.It'says easy after the fact to say "well you should have done this",when it's not you, or "I'd have done that". You can't be 100% certain what you'd do in that moment

Yep. I hope OP realises it's just all stupid BS. If she had posted "my neighbour knocked on my door asking for sugar but he made me feel uncomfortable so I shut the door in his face" I can guarantee she would have got:

"thats not very neighbourly!", "you sound nice", "I hope YOU never need help one day", "typical MN- noone ever answers their door", "wow- what if it was a sugar emergency?!"

You cant win!

ThoseBlueRememberedHills · 24/05/2024 09:33

Definitely tell the police and make a statement if they ask you to.

A few years ago I saw in the news that a man had been removed from his position as councillor and I recognised him as the man that had assaulted me when I was a kid as he was a delivery man then for his fathers business.

I called the police local to him to tell of my experience with him. I wondered if he had in fact been abusive all his life as he would have been about 20 when he assaulted 7yo me.

I was asked to make a statement so I went locally to me now to do that. When I described what he did to me, the cop said there was a sexual element to it although I had not realised that.

I suspect I was one of many and the police had formed a case against him as I got a call asking if I was prepared to speak up in court and I said I was.

Within a year he had committed suicide so I suspect I was one of many.

I agree with PP also. He's had his strike now. If he does anything else, no matter how small, I would try and have a word with the LL. I would also try and find out where they have moved from and try and find out discreetly if he has had to move.

PeachBlossom1234 · 24/05/2024 09:35

I once had something similar with a neighbour and it was terrifying, he was drunk but if he'd been sober (and not unsteady on his feet) I think it could have been very different. The next day I bought a Ring doorbell and answer through that before I open the door now

PotatoPudding · 24/05/2024 09:35

Noirdesir · 24/05/2024 09:27

I commented right at the beginning and can't believe there are are still posters bashing her. She knows she shouldn't have let him in - now.It'says easy after the fact to say "well you should have done this",when it's not you, or "I'd have done that". You can't be 100% certain what you'd do in that moment

Yep. I hope OP realises it's just all stupid BS. If she had posted "my neighbour knocked on my door asking for sugar but he made me feel uncomfortable so I shut the door in his face" I can guarantee she would have got:

"thats not very neighbourly!", "you sound nice", "I hope YOU never need help one day", "typical MN- noone ever answers their door", "wow- what if it was a sugar emergency?!"

You cant win!

Literally just spat my coffee out at this, especially the ‘you sound nice’ part.

Runsyd · 24/05/2024 09:42

OP, don't blame yourself. I once woke up to find a strange man sitting by my bed, stroking my leg. When I managed to get the light on, he was stark naked. My first reaction was to ask him, are you sleepwalking? I mean, ffs. I was pretty streetwise and cynical by that time, and my brain still automatically gave him the (ridiculous) benefit of the doubt.

Even when he grabbed his clothes and ran out of the room, I didn't think to lock my door (it was a college dorm). It was only when I saw the handle slowly turning a few minutes later that I came to my senses, jumped up and locked it, and told him to fuck off. He claimed he'd left a sock in there and asked to come back in and look for it. Yeah, right.

Anyway, this is just to say how strong women's social conditioning is to excuse male behaviour. All the people questioning your reaction don't realise how we can react when surprised or under threat. Our rational brain is offline, and we're acting purely on instinct.

Tillievanilly · 24/05/2024 09:52

The posters commenting what they would do in this situation do not know. It hasn’t happened to them. Nobody knows how they will react until they are in that situation. Every individual reacts differently due to their own past experiences. I had a guy attack me I verbally stood up to him. It made him worse. I backed off kept calm and got away. Well done op. Please ignore the judgers.

ilovesushi · 24/05/2024 09:57

I don't have anything new to add Op, but I am glad you are okay and that your partner was so brilliant. When people catch us off guard like that out of the blue, we act on pure survival instinct. I have found myself in a number of very scary situations and I've reacted differently in all of them. Did I do the 'right' or 'wrong' thing? Who knows. I did what I could whilst my brain was reeling and I was plummeted from the safe and everyday to a high level of threat.

He is most definitely a repeat offender. This is a little ritual he has got down pat and used before bulldozing through women's boundaries at speed that is intended to disorientate. You have had very good advice already and you and your partner are clearly on it. So horrible to have your home and your personal space invaded. Report to the police, let all your neighbours know, report to landlord if you can too. You will most likely feel the affects of the adrenalin over the next few days. Take good care of yourself. x

Toebeanzornottoebeanz · 24/05/2024 10:09

Runsyd · 24/05/2024 09:42

OP, don't blame yourself. I once woke up to find a strange man sitting by my bed, stroking my leg. When I managed to get the light on, he was stark naked. My first reaction was to ask him, are you sleepwalking? I mean, ffs. I was pretty streetwise and cynical by that time, and my brain still automatically gave him the (ridiculous) benefit of the doubt.

Even when he grabbed his clothes and ran out of the room, I didn't think to lock my door (it was a college dorm). It was only when I saw the handle slowly turning a few minutes later that I came to my senses, jumped up and locked it, and told him to fuck off. He claimed he'd left a sock in there and asked to come back in and look for it. Yeah, right.

Anyway, this is just to say how strong women's social conditioning is to excuse male behaviour. All the people questioning your reaction don't realise how we can react when surprised or under threat. Our rational brain is offline, and we're acting purely on instinct.

Thank you! ❤️ I’m sorry that happened to you, thank you for sharing. It’s a prime example!

OP posts:
Toebeanzornottoebeanz · 24/05/2024 10:10

ilovesushi · 24/05/2024 09:57

I don't have anything new to add Op, but I am glad you are okay and that your partner was so brilliant. When people catch us off guard like that out of the blue, we act on pure survival instinct. I have found myself in a number of very scary situations and I've reacted differently in all of them. Did I do the 'right' or 'wrong' thing? Who knows. I did what I could whilst my brain was reeling and I was plummeted from the safe and everyday to a high level of threat.

He is most definitely a repeat offender. This is a little ritual he has got down pat and used before bulldozing through women's boundaries at speed that is intended to disorientate. You have had very good advice already and you and your partner are clearly on it. So horrible to have your home and your personal space invaded. Report to the police, let all your neighbours know, report to landlord if you can too. You will most likely feel the affects of the adrenalin over the next few days. Take good care of yourself. x

Thank you! ❤️

OP posts:
PremiumListing · 24/05/2024 10:18

How are you getting on today, OP?

Sending smiles and hugs your way. 🤗

Toebeanzornottoebeanz · 24/05/2024 10:50

PremiumListing · 24/05/2024 10:18

How are you getting on today, OP?

Sending smiles and hugs your way. 🤗

Thanks so much ☺️ hugs and smiles gratefully accepted! Feeling a lot better after reading all the positive and insightful input from lovely people on here! As much as I wanted to submit this post as a way to receive mass feedback, I was also worried about the criticism that I knew would come up. It has been overwhelmingly positive though, and I love that people have been able to share their own experiences too. Prior to this or any incident I would have loved to have stumbled upon this very thread - so hopefully it will be of use to others going forwards too ❤️

OP posts:
Ohnobackagain · 24/05/2024 11:02

@Chael86 if a new neighbour knocked and asked me for sugar I’d close the door leaving them outside while I got it. If you don’t know someone they are a stranger however close they live. He’s definitely creepy though!

wibdib · 24/05/2024 11:39

op this reminds me of a self defence class they organised for us in school when I was about 15 that’s stuck with me and I think is pertinent here…
Girls school so all girls, run by a chap who was big and obviously skilled in martial arts. However the most useful take away was not various techniques but that he said that if a man tries to attack you, they will always be stronger and probably faster, have more endurance than you so you mustn’t try to fight ‘fair’ because as girls that’s what you’ve been taught to do - forget all that and fight dirty - go for bending back little do you break them, pushing the heel of your hand up into their nose to break and dislocate, gouge their eyes or throw dirt/salt/anything to hand in their eyes and so on.
But more than that, you’ve been socialised into not doing these things so out will feel really wrong to do them so you need to think about that side of this now, and Mentally give yourself permission to actively hurt them at some point in the future should you ever need to use this for real. That they aren’t playing fair by attacking you/making you uncomfortable - so what if they end up with a disfigured nose or wonky fingers or scratched eyeballs - they wouldn’t have if they hadn’t started to attack you so do your worst and do whatever you can to get away and keep safe.

So in your case, should creepy guy ever get close enough to start strolling your arm again just use your other hand to yank back his little finger as hard, fast and far as you can and then do it again so he really gets the message. Or grab a handful of the sugar and throw it at/into his eyes and nose, get scratches on his face so good gf will see.

Hopefully you won’t ever need to and he won’t come around again having been called out (which was a fabulous thing to do - well fone) - but as mentioned earlier, think through what you would do and give yourself permission in advance to do whatever it takes, including hurt him, if he is inappropriate to you again.

chatelai · 24/05/2024 11:44

I've been stalked/harassed recently, to the point of seeking online official advice (which was pretty damn useless!). It wasn't half as full-on as this.

I have no advice, other than to add my voice to the chorus of no, that really wasn't ok and he is a 100% creep.

In my situation (Ok, I may have a little advice to give!) I put up with it for a couple of months, then let other people know about it. And I mean everyone in the social set that I and Stalkery McCreepy Harassface move in. Turns out he's been doing it to others, and has previous. I found that other people being aware helps. What has been a shock is the victim blaming from one or two people.

TL;DR metaphorically shout "Ewww, get your hands OFF me you creep!" Loudly.

Don't listen to anybody who tells you that you 'asked for the attention' because you were initially pleasant to him. As a gender we are trained to be pleasant and to think the best, right up to the point where it is clearly not right.

Howbizarre22 · 24/05/2024 11:48

I can only assume he has some kind of mental health problem- that behaviour is extremely abnormal- zero boundaries & overfamiliar. Even your bog standard creep knows to be more subtle that this!!! I think he’s not normal mentally but is also a pervy creep too. Dangerous combination- you need to keep your doors locked and NEVER EVER let him in again. Seriously. Also I would look at your trust in yourself OP- you knew this was not right. Don’t engage with him again & keep your eyes open as he is dangerous.

Elizo · 24/05/2024 11:48

So weird. You really need to stop strangers following you into the house though. Close the door on him and say you will get the sugar.

Horsemother · 24/05/2024 11:55

Ohnobackagain · 24/05/2024 11:02

@Chael86 if a new neighbour knocked and asked me for sugar I’d close the door leaving them outside while I got it. If you don’t know someone they are a stranger however close they live. He’s definitely creepy though!

Have you read the previous comments? Do you think this helps Op at all?

cerisepanther73 · 24/05/2024 12:03

@Chael86
I watch true life crimes murders

There's often red flags in these kinds of real life senerio situations,
but we as females are brains washed to socially conditioned to ignore them at our peril

I am glad your husband is a good man and emotionally intelligent enough to look out for you like that too...

Fernticket · 24/05/2024 12:12

OP, so sorry this happened to you, especially in your own home where you have the right to feel safe. I agree with other posters to report this as I bet he has form for it. Very glad to see that your partner has your back as hopefully it will put Creepy Mcpervert Face off from trying this again. Don't listen to all the victim blamers on here, no one knows how they would react in your situation unless they have been there themselves.

Anneofa1000days · 24/05/2024 12:15

Im really soŕry this happened to you and annoyed that he has made you feel unsafe where you didnt before that creep upset you. Im sorry that now you have to get a ring doorbell and have to read books about the way to act when something like this happens.
I really am pissed off with the "why did you let him in the 2nd time" crew. Its easy to say when your sitting reading this on MN.
Im sure I would have acted the same as you to be honest. You do things so you dont want to be seen as impolite, its silly but its the way some people are.
Glad your dp had your back.
I dont feel sorry for his gf I bet she had been through this before, hopefully she will see the light and get rid, or perhaps she is deaf dumb and blind.
Good luck to you.💜

Fernticket · 24/05/2024 12:19

Would just like to add that when I was a teenager,I lived not far from Bristol. There was a man who committed several rapes (known as the Clifton Rapist). The local police set out to catch him using one of their Policewomen. The tactic worked and they caught him. What the Policewoman said afterwards has stayed with me ever since.
She said that even though she was fit and strong, trained in all the latest self defence technique's, and knew her colleagues were all watching her
'When he grabbed me, I just froze'. She said it gave her a real insight into how assault victims feel .