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Not to be expected to travel 150 miles to see grandchildren

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changinghairstyle · 20/05/2024 11:59

My son and his wife moved 3 and half hours away and then had children, the move wasn't for work or house prices it was simply to live by the sea.

Both son and his wife drive but I've had to stop driving due to age related health conditions.

My son and his wife are not prepared to come and visit because they say it's too far and they work and have children but they have said if I wanted to see them and the children I can come and see them even though they know I can't drive, they also don't have a room at their house so I will have to stay in alternative accommodation.
I have 3 empty bedrooms.
I have declined an invitation and instead invited them to come and stay but now my son is saying I obviously don't want to visit so don't bother then and declined my invitation.
I miss my son terribly and the grandchildren.

Aibu to think they shouldn't expect me to travel all that way with no car and book myself into a hotel when they could just drive down and visit me and I have the room?

OP posts:
hawesmead5 · 20/05/2024 20:01

My in laws live about 3.5 hours away. When the kids were little they came to see us lots and we only did once every so often as it was hard travelling with young kids. Now that the kids and granny are older we travel to them more, as granny finds it harder to travel due to ill health. They kids even though they are late teens, love going to grannies house and last year once my DS had finished his GCSEs he took the train to go and stay with her for a few weeks before the summer holidays.
So you may be doing more travelling now, but things will probably change as the kids get older.

RoarLion · 20/05/2024 20:02

We’re a similar distance from our families. We work full time and have primary age DC.

MIL lives in a very tiny bungalow and every surface is cream. Even a couple of hours for dinner at her house is stressful with young kids who are used to having space to play and run about. MIL thinks we could all “bunk in”. She’s got 2 bedrooms (a double and a single). There would be 5 of us, plus her… I’m not using my holiday allowance or weekend to do a 7 hour round trip and sleep on someone’s floor 😂

MIL on the other hand has all the time in the world to travel to us. Her choice if she doesn’t want to. We have plenty of space and everything we need for our DC is here.

NerrSnerr · 20/05/2024 20:04

I think the important factor is that driving 3.5 hours with small kids is hard when you don't have a great relationship with the people at the other end.

My youngest hated the car but we did drive to see family sometimes but they also came to see us. They also visited when we had newborns, I can't see why the OP didn't do that?

HamBagelNoCheese · 20/05/2024 20:05

My mum and brother were like you and your son. No falling out or anything, just each waiting for the other to visit. 15 years they went without talking to each other in the end, by which point my mum was dead and it was too late 🤷‍♀️

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 20/05/2024 20:06

HollyKnight · 20/05/2024 15:12

If they couldn't be bothered to bring the first child to see you even once in the 3 years when that was the only child, then this is clearly nothing to do with the number of children they have. It seems like your son just has no interest in having you in his life.

Equally if the OP couldn’t be bothered to visit in the 3 years of the first child’s life then it’s understandable that her son and family have given up on her.

Delphiniumandlupins · 20/05/2024 20:07

You have to see, surely, that it is easier for you (or you and DH) to travel to see your son than for a family of 5 (including a baby) to travel to see you? They have school and two working parents to work around. Are the rest of your children, who you see regularly, much nearer? Does seeing them involve overnight stays for anyone?

You say your house is your DS' home but he has built a life with his wife and children. Ultimately, if you want to see him and his family you do things his way. Or you can keep the moral highground (as you see it) and have no relationship with these DGC.

Mumofteenandtween · 20/05/2024 20:09

HamBagelNoCheese · 20/05/2024 20:05

My mum and brother were like you and your son. No falling out or anything, just each waiting for the other to visit. 15 years they went without talking to each other in the end, by which point my mum was dead and it was too late 🤷‍♀️

That’s really sad.

Step5678 · 20/05/2024 20:09

In the nicest possible way... are you taking any of this advice on board OP? I think the consensus is quite clear that you need to make some effort to build this relationship and stop expecting it all to be on your terms if you want to save it.

ButterCrackers · 20/05/2024 20:09

Roundroundthegarden · 20/05/2024 19:55

And leave his wife to sort 3 young kids by herself when op dh can drive her there perfectly.

I’m sure that the mother can look after her three kids whilst her dh would be away. Do you think that she is incapable of this? Her dh would be assisting his mother. Perhaps he could look after the kids for a similar amount of time afterwards.

RosesAndHellebores · 20/05/2024 20:10

changinghairstyle · 20/05/2024 14:55

I'm 62 and dh isn't refusing to take me he sees all the upset and pain they put me through and has had enough.
My daughter brings my grandchildren to see me so why can't he when they take them to visit her mum?
I had a close relationship with him until he met his wife and moved away of course my heart is broken.
I've never got to see my grandchildren yet I have seen on Facebook her family with the children.

All I would like is a visit occasionally.
It should be mutual but if I don't visit I miss out after everything I have done for him.
I'd never have treated my mum like this.

Why does your dd bring yiur grandchildren to see you, rather than you visiting them?

You sound very much as though you expect others to run around after you, rather than vice versa.

What is being done to deal with yiur health conditions?

Babyboomtastic · 20/05/2024 20:11

Would I do a 7 hour round trip to see family, with 3 young children in tow -absolutely, occasionally. I'd probably do a few days over Christmas and again in the summer holidays.

Would I do it for someone who couldn't even be bothered to visit their baby grandchildren EVER? hell would freeze over first.

But don't worry, you aren't going to damage your relationship over this. You're 6 years past that. It's broken, and getting what I can see it's mostly your fault. Your pride, bitterness and stubborness has destroyed your relationship with your son and meant your have no relationship with your grandchildren. People travel across the world to see newborn grandchildren, you couldn't be bothered to sit in a car. There's no excuse.

You're not that old - you're a working age adult, some people seek have school age kids at your age for goodness sake.

AnotherEmma · 20/05/2024 20:11

changinghairstyle · 20/05/2024 14:55

I'm 62 and dh isn't refusing to take me he sees all the upset and pain they put me through and has had enough.
My daughter brings my grandchildren to see me so why can't he when they take them to visit her mum?
I had a close relationship with him until he met his wife and moved away of course my heart is broken.
I've never got to see my grandchildren yet I have seen on Facebook her family with the children.

All I would like is a visit occasionally.
It should be mutual but if I don't visit I miss out after everything I have done for him.
I'd never have treated my mum like this.

It's all about you and your feelings, no attempt to see others' point of view.

How far away does your daughter live; how many children does she have any how old are they; does she work full or part time or not at all?

What about your DIL's parents; do they live near you or closer to your son and DIL?

You're definitely playing the victim and complaining they spend more time with her family... makes me think her family is probably nicer and makes more effort with them.

Your attitude is a bit "evil DIL took my son away from me"!

If you've never even met your grandchildren and your oldest grandchild is 6, it means you haven't bothered to visit them in 6 years. Even after their babies were newborns. Shame on you.

fruitbrewhaha · 20/05/2024 20:12

My guess is they don’t really like you and the rest of the family.

DragonFly98 · 20/05/2024 20:13

pikkumyy77 · 20/05/2024 12:13

You seem to be surprised and resentful that they moved for no good reason other than to live “by the sea” and that they have busy lives, work, a small house, and young children. Isn’t that all quite normal?

My MIL was like this: she absolutely could not accept that her son and my SIL had very busy lives. Working, community, children: they had no free days for months at a time. They had many competing demands on their time. They were never “off” and not already booked.

Yes if she wanted to see them she had to come to their city and stay nearby and see them between other events that were scheduled.

That's ridiculous they were choosing not to have free time. Nobody forced anything on them other than their employement.

user1471466920 · 20/05/2024 20:13

Wow, you sound like very hard work and your other children have not helped by pandering to you. Your son and his wife have 3 little children and work yet you haven't even visited let alone offered any help. You know nothing about what they might be going through because it's all about you. 62 is young, yes you have health conditions but nothing to stop you going by train or bus and getting to know your grandchildren and maybe even offering support. Or your husband could take a few days off and drive you and make a fun little holiday. Stop feeling sorry for yourself and being selfish or you can kiss goodbye to any relationship with your son and grandchildren.

TomatoSandwiches · 20/05/2024 20:15

I don't know why you feel you have the right to be upset and paint yourself as a victim when you couldn't even bother yourself to visit your own newborn grandchildren, that is astounding to me.

The thing is op, when you have a parent such as yourself you tend to find the family you think you control actually hide things from you and I'm sure at least one or two siblings have or are in contact with their brother, they'll probably make up altogether once you are dead and gone.

Littlestminnow · 20/05/2024 20:15

OP, I think you're being treated very unfairly here. I regularly took four children right across the country to visit my mother, and never thought twice about it. Unfortunately it seems your son is one of those men who isn't prepared to put himself out for his parents - that, or your daughter-in-law has simply over-ruled him and prioritises her own parents. You can't drive, your husband is unwilling to take you, and you would need to stay in outside accommodation, so it's a pretty big ask. It sounds like your daughter and other members see your son's refusal to accommodate you in anyway for the selfishness it is, so listen to them and ignore the bile on here.

MariaVT65 · 20/05/2024 20:16

Sorry YABU op. Everyone else has nailed it. I live a few hours from my mum, and have 2 small kids. She has 2 spare bedrooms, but each time we’ve been to visit has been really really hard work. We don’t go up to visit as often now because:

-It’s a long distance with small children, taking longer as you have to stop

-It’s tricky to fit everything in the car, including travel cot, pushchair etc.

-Yes my mum has 2 spare bedrooms but doesn’t have anything else at all for the kids - no bed guard, no kids’ cutlery. No highchair. We have to fit literally everything in the car. Also no stairgates etc.

-We eat dinner together at 5.30pm because of the kids, and we had a huge battle to get my mum to agree to that.

-Had a really bad experience with illness and no sleep, and the drive back down was awful as we were so exhausted.

My mum is in her 60s and gets the train to see us. I believe at that age you can get a railcard so she gets discounted tickets.

Also when they were born, I had to have 2 c sections. So no way was I going to go up to my mum instead of her coming to us.

BlueBlahBlah · 20/05/2024 20:16

I suspect OP that if you showed some willing in this situation, they may reciprocate.
I think I too as your DC would find it a massive pain in the ass to haul 3 young kids on a long drive to see someone who seemingly doesn’t give a sh*t about whether or not they see them.
I suspect there’s some back story where you’ve not shown much interest and by now refusing to even entertain the idea of visiting, you’re just making your DS think his thoughts are even more justified.
But if you went to the effort of visiting (because you want to see them, not because you’re being forced) maybe next time they might be more open to visiting you.
As it is, I would expect NC to be coming your way soon. Depends how much you care.

RosesAndHellebores · 20/05/2024 20:17

changinghairstyle · 20/05/2024 16:37

We go through phases of contact, round and round in circles mainly.
I get cards which are reciprocated but I can't help it if they choose not to be part of the family.
The rest of the family all agree and won't visit them until they see me but that doesn't seem to bother them.

I'm getting older and I don't want things to carry on like this.
My husband says we should concentrate on the children who do want to know and I'm starting to agree.
I have bad knees and a bad back, diabetes and a heart condition, friends and family all agree I shouldn't give in and travel in my condition.
We have 3 grown up sons and a daughter and we're a very close family, all other sons and dills including daughter and sil appreciate us so it's not us.

Kindly @changinghairstyle
Bad knees - are you on the waiting list for knee replacements?
Bad back - do you do pilates to keep your strong?
Heart condition - what is it and what can be done about it? Replacement valve, pace maker, bypass?
Diabetes - type 1 or type 2? How is it being treated? What underlies it.

Is your diet optimal, do you exercise within reason?. Did you used to go to the shops on your own? Did you used to share long drives on holiday trips?

It seems to me there is far more information needed to fully understand this situation.

Higglings · 20/05/2024 20:18

I fly 7000 miles to see my grandkids.

Yellowhammer09 · 20/05/2024 20:19

YANBU, OP. You've had to stop both work and driving due to your poor health, trains cost the earth and staying in a hotel for a night probably isn't a viable option for someone who can't work.

How far away do your DIL's family live?

This is you-do-you culture, sadly. "It's too far, you will have to visit us". Nobody has a sense of duty anymore. You go through pain (the drive with three kids) to do something right (see your parents/grandparents).

I'd be extremely disappointed, OP.

albertoross · 20/05/2024 20:19

My son and his wife moved 3 and half hours away and then had children, the move wasn't for work or house prices it was simply to live by the sea.

How nasty

Ivymom · 20/05/2024 20:19

My DH and I are like OP’s son and DIL. We moved away from where most of our relatives live because we enjoy a different lifestyle that couldn’t be had where our relatives live. Our relatives on both sides have vilified us for this. His relatives blame me for taking him away/keeping him from his family and forcing my likes on him. Mine feel the same about him. The truth is, neither of us was allowed to even express wanting anything different from our families of origin. They all live in the same area, socialize the same ways and vacation the same way. They’ve chosen partners who are happy to assimilate into this. We refer to the as the Borg (from Star Trek).

In the almost 3 decades we’ve been together, no one has ever visited us. Their attitudes are that we are wrong for wanting something different for our lives, so we have to come to them. We have made a handful of miserable visits out of a mistaken sense of obligation, that we regret wasting our time and money on.

We know they disapprove of us and feel uncomfortable and unwelcome. Our children can also feel it, and don’t like going either. They flaunt their “closeness” with inside knowledge and jokes that “we just wouldn’t understand because we chose to leave”. The homes that “have plenty of room to host us and are safe enough for them to have raised their kids and host their other grandchildren” are fraught with safety concerns like unsecured firearms, untrained animals and exterior doors leading from the children’s bedrooms that don’t lock. Because the local relatives aren’t bothered by these things, we shouldn’t be. It is even worse when we book our own accommodations. Then we are being stuck up, think we are too good for them, don’t know how to be family.

This is all massively dysfunctional. OP, I recommend that if you want a relationship with your son and his family, you need to make some changes. First, you need to stop gossiping and complaining about them to the local relatives, especially their siblings. You’ve created a hornet’s nest that your son and family couldn’t possibly feel welcome visiting. Second, you need to apologize to your son for refusing to visit and if the invitation is still open, book accommodation and visit them. Then, during the visit, be the loving mother and grandmother. Ask them to show you the seaside. Find joy in the area they love and have made a home. Don’t compare them to your other children/grandchildren, but enjoy them for who they are.

Mostly, don’t blame your DIL. It is most likely that either your son wanted to move to the seaside but knew this wouldn’t be accepted or that your DIL introduced him to it and he fell in love with it. Either way, he made the decision for himself to move. It is doubtful that she is forcing him to live there and stay away from his family of origin.

professionalnomad · 20/05/2024 20:21

This is weird. I live abroad and come back 3-4 times a year ro visit my mum with my kids. I also then drive 4+ hours south to visit my in-laws. My mum also comes out to stay 1-2 times a year. It's not that hard a journey and why can't the son find room for you if you decide to go. Something else going on here I reckon...

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