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Cleaner is here right now, is he taking the piss?

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Muffins34 · 18/05/2024 15:00

It’s a lovely sunny, and my day plans have been cancelled because I’m waiting around on a cleaner doing my end of tenancy clean.

Today is my final day of tenancy. I currently live alone in an apartment. I use to have an flatmate but she moved out in December. Only a small 2 bedroom, 2 bathroom (one of them a tiny en-suite) and an open pan kitchen/small living room.

I booked the end of tenancy clean at 9am, this is the earliest appointment I could get. I wanted a first thing appointment so I could be out asap, I work Mon-Fri so it’s my day off, and none of my things are here.

i have paid a 50% deposit upfront, then will pay the remaining 50% to the company upon completion of works. Afterwards I then have to hand the keys back to my landlord.

He arrived an hour and 15 minutes late, didn’t get here until 10.15am (no apology or explanation) didn’t start the work until 10:30am because he spent 15 mins talking to himself about what he’s going to start with first, generally dithering about. At one point he actually sat down.

He arrived with very minimum cleaning products I noticed. At one point he said he needed gloves, so he walked back to his car (parked in a car park a 5 minute walk away!)

He came back, and finished one bedroom/bathroom in no time. Then said he was going to go to the shop for drinking water. The shop is on my street corner. He was gone for over half an half!! I called to ask where he was. When he came back he sat at my table and ate sandwiches he’d bought from the shop.

While I was gone I noticed in the bathroom (which was my previous flatmate’s) the tiles had not been cleaned properly (the tiles are textured and have depth in some areas, not sure if I’m explaining that properly) and still had some residue.

While he was having his lunch (after a late start and after only 1 hours work !) I asked him about the tiles, he said that’s a different service and he did not have the products? He had literally lightly cleaned over the surfaces.

I said to him “So what’s the difference between this End Of Tenancy clean, which I’m paying £180 for today, and a generic clean which would usually charge £16 an hour round here?” He could not answer and said he’ll go back to it at the end and “try his best”.

Is now 14:50 and he’s still only half way through the work. He’s done, 1 bathroom, 1 bedroom, and is half way through the kitchen. He still has the rest of the kitchen to complete, then the living room, and the remaining bathroom.

It’s a tiny apartment!

I’m convinced my deposit will be deducted due to it “not cleaned to a professional standard”. Its just doesn’t have that fresh cleaned look? Or even smell any different. I’ve had cleaning ladies before and it’s looks shined and spotless, and smells amazing.

It’s costing me almost £200.

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Calliopespa · 19/05/2024 20:26

Muffins34 · 18/05/2024 15:10

£180 is my reason.

But at this point don’t you just want to salvage the rest of the day and safeguard your deposit?

If you roll up your sleeves you can demonstrate that you don’t think it’s coming along adequately and request a discount. If you just sit there it’s giving the impression it’s all ok.

But yes, he’s absolutely taking the piss.

Mumofoneandone · 19/05/2024 20:41

I would report this incident to the police - intimidating behaviour to a woman on her own in her own house and threatening behaviour to obtain money that was in dispute.
Take photos and write down everything, so that if you do loose your deposit you can go after the cleaners through small claims court.....
Really shoddy business practice

Mandeeek · 19/05/2024 23:08

You’ve definitely been ripped off. I would charge £350 for this type of clean but it would include oven and carpet cleaning too. EOT cleans are expensive because they are so detailed. It’s at least a 10 hour clean. He should’ve asked for your move in inventory and cleaned to the standard of that for you to get your deposit back. I would see what the letting agency says regarding your deposit and then I would take the cleaning company to small claims court to get all of your money back including the deposit that’s going to be held back. You will get charged for replacing the cooker hood filters. He has tarnished them so they are visually ruined. He’s also clearly using chemicals he’s not been trained to use. Tbh I don’t think he’s even been trained to clean looking at the state of it. Don’t let them get away with it, I wouldn’t.

RavenofEngland · 19/05/2024 23:44

Each time I have left a tenancy, we cleaned it ourselves and even the EA had to admit we did such a good job that the places were in a better condition than when we took on the tenancy. Even our last home, we were basically swapping with our landlord and he said not to worry about cleaning as he was going to be renovating. We still gave it a good clean as we didn’t want to hand over a messy house, plus he was doing us a favour by letting us take on our current house - we moved from a 2 bed to 3 bed house.

RecklessGoddess · 20/05/2024 03:52

Muffins34 · 18/05/2024 15:00

It’s a lovely sunny, and my day plans have been cancelled because I’m waiting around on a cleaner doing my end of tenancy clean.

Today is my final day of tenancy. I currently live alone in an apartment. I use to have an flatmate but she moved out in December. Only a small 2 bedroom, 2 bathroom (one of them a tiny en-suite) and an open pan kitchen/small living room.

I booked the end of tenancy clean at 9am, this is the earliest appointment I could get. I wanted a first thing appointment so I could be out asap, I work Mon-Fri so it’s my day off, and none of my things are here.

i have paid a 50% deposit upfront, then will pay the remaining 50% to the company upon completion of works. Afterwards I then have to hand the keys back to my landlord.

He arrived an hour and 15 minutes late, didn’t get here until 10.15am (no apology or explanation) didn’t start the work until 10:30am because he spent 15 mins talking to himself about what he’s going to start with first, generally dithering about. At one point he actually sat down.

He arrived with very minimum cleaning products I noticed. At one point he said he needed gloves, so he walked back to his car (parked in a car park a 5 minute walk away!)

He came back, and finished one bedroom/bathroom in no time. Then said he was going to go to the shop for drinking water. The shop is on my street corner. He was gone for over half an half!! I called to ask where he was. When he came back he sat at my table and ate sandwiches he’d bought from the shop.

While I was gone I noticed in the bathroom (which was my previous flatmate’s) the tiles had not been cleaned properly (the tiles are textured and have depth in some areas, not sure if I’m explaining that properly) and still had some residue.

While he was having his lunch (after a late start and after only 1 hours work !) I asked him about the tiles, he said that’s a different service and he did not have the products? He had literally lightly cleaned over the surfaces.

I said to him “So what’s the difference between this End Of Tenancy clean, which I’m paying £180 for today, and a generic clean which would usually charge £16 an hour round here?” He could not answer and said he’ll go back to it at the end and “try his best”.

Is now 14:50 and he’s still only half way through the work. He’s done, 1 bathroom, 1 bedroom, and is half way through the kitchen. He still has the rest of the kitchen to complete, then the living room, and the remaining bathroom.

It’s a tiny apartment!

I’m convinced my deposit will be deducted due to it “not cleaned to a professional standard”. Its just doesn’t have that fresh cleaned look? Or even smell any different. I’ve had cleaning ladies before and it’s looks shined and spotless, and smells amazing.

It’s costing me almost £200.

Wow, I used clean a really big 3 bedroom, family bathroom and an en suite, and separate downstairs toilet, 2 big lounges, an office and huge kitchen. It took 6 hours top to bottom, full clean, no way an empty 2 bedroom flat should take that long, and it's much easier to clean than a full house!

Kirstk · 20/05/2024 03:59

Perfect28 · 18/05/2024 15:09

Any reason you can't help with the clean? I wouldn't want to risk my deposit

Why pay £180 to then clean?

Theunamedcat · 20/05/2024 08:05

I love end of tenancy cleans no furniture no knick knacks to dust around just get in there and scrub it's literally the easiest clean you can do!

FarmGirl78 · 20/05/2024 09:08

Muffins34 · 18/05/2024 20:43

I just couldn’t be bothered to be honest love. And act smug all you like sweet but you’ll find a lot of places have it written in the tenancy contract that it needs to be professionally cleaned. I wouldn’t have done the best job. Cleaners are putting themselves out there to be hired and just because in your mind you deem it laziness or such, doesn’t mean I deserve to be conned out of my money.

How can your landlord claim it wasn't professionally cleaned if you did it yourself? There's no such thing as a "professional" clean as there's no such thing as cleaning qualifications. It's an illogical term in your contract.

pollymere · 20/05/2024 11:09

We cleaned our flat ourselves for ours. We had photos of what it looked like when we moved in (mark on one wall and one on a carpet) and used those to show it was as clean as when we moved in. We got our deposit back although they did try and claim they needed to repaint and deep clean the carpet but we argued fair wear and tear.

I do feel these End of Tenancy cleans are a big con. For £180 I'd expect ten or eleven hours worth of cleaning. I'd certainly be withholding the remaining amount due to poor standard of cleaning.

Flocke · 20/05/2024 11:46

When we moved house we cleaned it ourselves rather than get professionals in. The place was a dump when we moved in. It actually looked much better when we moved out! But yet they still claimed they needed to keep money back to "clean the oven" as there was "streaks from cleaning fluid on the glass". But, they were waiting for the new tenants to decide what type of clean it needed and to get some quotes. Obviously this is a ridiculous reason and it can't be left up to the new tenants to decide how much cleaning something needs!
We sent photos of what the oven looked like when we moved in (filthy with crumbs and grease all inside it) and how it looked now (hugely better inside but yes a few barely visible cleaning streaks on the outside of the glass door). They didn't even bother responding. Just gave us all the deposit back.

song6ird · 20/05/2024 18:17

My daughter paid for a proffessional clean when she moved out of her last place and was charged for a nuber of shortcomings. Her Landloord's agent also tried to charge for problems which already existed when she moved in and one which occurred due to their negligence. Fortunately she kept eveidence of correspondence about the existing defects and had already had a court case about the negligence issue, so she disputed the deductions but as regards the cleaning issues she just decided to suck it up! She just wanted it over and was moving back from Scotland to live with me just outside London as she had a new job here. She was pretty annoyed but at least got the other deductions removed. Sadly you have to choose your battles.

badatdecisions · 20/05/2024 18:18

Nothing helpful to add but I've hired someone like this and it was bloody awful. Couldn't believe my house was worse than it was before he started.

Funny thing was is I said to my OH when I found out he was a guy, "I don't think he'll be as good as a woman" and got told off for it. Later he admitted I was right, given we couldn't see ourselves in our hallway mirror anymore 😂

pinkstripeycat · 21/05/2024 15:25

Muffins34 · 18/05/2024 20:45

You say that but if you live alone and you have one man on the phone threatening to put your pictures and name all of social media while his mate films you in your own home, see how long it would take for you to crack.

You do realise putting pictures of you on social media is illegal……..

You could’ve asked him to leave as you felt vulnerable. He couldn’t have refused.

TimetoPour · 21/05/2024 15:43

Muffins34 · 18/05/2024 22:14

Thank you, exactly my thoughts. Never hired a cleaner in my life.

I swear sometimes Mumnetters just love to kick people when they’re down on bad luck.

I’d (reluctantly😅) have done it myself but if the contract says you bring someone else in then you bring someone else in 🙄

In your position, I would be pissed off too. He has done a lousy job and taken his time at it too. A professional cleaner would have whipped round in no time and done a better job.

For future reference, under the Tenant Fees Act 2019, landlords are prohibited from demanding you pay for professional services. There is legislation in place to stop it and no tenancy deposit scheme would ever refuse to return your deposit under these grounds. You must return the property in the same condition you found it with allowances for fair wear and tear. This should be itemised and photographed in your itinerary along side your agreement.

Coco1379 · 25/05/2024 17:49

Call the Agent, Say you want a competent cleaner now, and will have to bill them for your wastef time.

Purplemoth · 25/05/2024 18:07

badatdecisions · 20/05/2024 18:18

Nothing helpful to add but I've hired someone like this and it was bloody awful. Couldn't believe my house was worse than it was before he started.

Funny thing was is I said to my OH when I found out he was a guy, "I don't think he'll be as good as a woman" and got told off for it. Later he admitted I was right, given we couldn't see ourselves in our hallway mirror anymore 😂

What an utterly ridiculous thing to say.
For those that claim they clean a house from top to bottom in x time and so could do an end of tenancy in a short space of time are either deluded or inexperienced
An end of tenancy is a specialised clean. Tge requirements far outweigh a standard clean and anyone with experience of completing them will attest the same.
As far as tge OP post. To assume a time isn't your job, if you had a time co strain then you should have told the company to allow them to send more staff. The clean should include cleaning the black mould from the shower and the windows frames, including the areas when you open a window. The operative looks to be incompetent but the price you are paying isn't for a professional. Those that think they know from their own cleaning regime at home, how to complete an end of tenancy are generally not going to reach tge standard required.
You should have agreed with the manager what the clean would involve and timings during his site visit. As this wasn't done you chose the wrong company probably based on price.

catchthebeat · 25/05/2024 18:29

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catchthebeat · 25/05/2024 18:29

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Geewhizz123 · 25/05/2024 19:35

I’m sorry to say it but £180 is too cheap and it’s a case of “buy cheap, buy twice”.
man end of tenancy is usually more like £500-600 depending on size.
As a cleaner I did more than that what he’s done as a standard weekly clean - all the window frames are still dirty for a start.
End of tenancy cleans do take a long time though, that’s normal. I did my own after only living at the house for a year and keeping it immaculate - it was still 10 hours of solid work to get it to end of tenancy standard including the oven, fridge, carpets etc.

PrincessofWells · 25/05/2024 19:45

Yes a 2 bed 2 bathroom flat empty of furniture not including carpets took me 12 hours. That's about right.

SusieLawson · 25/05/2024 22:55

I didn't know money can be taken off a deposit if it isn't cleaned to a high standard, after all the money they get from another to pay their mortgage, I would have thought cleaning it for another tenant would be the landlord's job

teaandtoastwithmarmite · 26/05/2024 00:02

Well you have to leave it as it was when you moved in.

Uuds · 26/05/2024 10:27

Ex estate agent here. There's a bunch of things you can do here to retain your deposit.

  1. don't pay the cleaning invoice until you've had the check out report back. Send them back or refuse to pay as appropriate.
  2. if you get a deduction from you deposit. Dispute it, and escalate and escalate again to formal dispute. agents bonus are generally dependent on it not going to dispute. So they will put the land lord under pressure to settle. It's also a huge amount of work for them so they're not likely to do it, or be slow and miss the deadline.
  3. the flat is probably being let straight away to someone else, who's check in report will just say it's dirty. It's very difficult for a deduction to stick unless there's actually been another clean.

Hope that helps.

PrincessofWells · 26/05/2024 10:51

If it were mine I'd get another decent cleaning company in and claim from the deposit. Nobody should be paying rent for dirty accommodation.

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