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Cleaner is here right now, is he taking the piss?

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Muffins34 · 18/05/2024 15:00

It’s a lovely sunny, and my day plans have been cancelled because I’m waiting around on a cleaner doing my end of tenancy clean.

Today is my final day of tenancy. I currently live alone in an apartment. I use to have an flatmate but she moved out in December. Only a small 2 bedroom, 2 bathroom (one of them a tiny en-suite) and an open pan kitchen/small living room.

I booked the end of tenancy clean at 9am, this is the earliest appointment I could get. I wanted a first thing appointment so I could be out asap, I work Mon-Fri so it’s my day off, and none of my things are here.

i have paid a 50% deposit upfront, then will pay the remaining 50% to the company upon completion of works. Afterwards I then have to hand the keys back to my landlord.

He arrived an hour and 15 minutes late, didn’t get here until 10.15am (no apology or explanation) didn’t start the work until 10:30am because he spent 15 mins talking to himself about what he’s going to start with first, generally dithering about. At one point he actually sat down.

He arrived with very minimum cleaning products I noticed. At one point he said he needed gloves, so he walked back to his car (parked in a car park a 5 minute walk away!)

He came back, and finished one bedroom/bathroom in no time. Then said he was going to go to the shop for drinking water. The shop is on my street corner. He was gone for over half an half!! I called to ask where he was. When he came back he sat at my table and ate sandwiches he’d bought from the shop.

While I was gone I noticed in the bathroom (which was my previous flatmate’s) the tiles had not been cleaned properly (the tiles are textured and have depth in some areas, not sure if I’m explaining that properly) and still had some residue.

While he was having his lunch (after a late start and after only 1 hours work !) I asked him about the tiles, he said that’s a different service and he did not have the products? He had literally lightly cleaned over the surfaces.

I said to him “So what’s the difference between this End Of Tenancy clean, which I’m paying £180 for today, and a generic clean which would usually charge £16 an hour round here?” He could not answer and said he’ll go back to it at the end and “try his best”.

Is now 14:50 and he’s still only half way through the work. He’s done, 1 bathroom, 1 bedroom, and is half way through the kitchen. He still has the rest of the kitchen to complete, then the living room, and the remaining bathroom.

It’s a tiny apartment!

I’m convinced my deposit will be deducted due to it “not cleaned to a professional standard”. Its just doesn’t have that fresh cleaned look? Or even smell any different. I’ve had cleaning ladies before and it’s looks shined and spotless, and smells amazing.

It’s costing me almost £200.

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justasking111 · 19/05/2024 00:11

Son and partner got conned by the EA in Leeds, they left the place spotless, still the EA said they had to use their cleaners. When they came they couldn't find anything to do. They still got charged and were charged for scuffs on skirting that were there when they moved in and a mark on a hall wall and a broken dishwasher which had never worked and been reported time after time.

They caved in except for the dishwasher, there they had a paper trail

Katbum · 19/05/2024 01:45

Muffins34 · 18/05/2024 15:26

You’d be suprised, they’ll deduct where they see fit, it’s happened to a few friends of mine after they hired professional cleaners.

Another friend of mine works for an estate agents and she says they do it all the time and tenants don’t really have a leg to stand on.

Hence my concern right now.

You do have a ‘leg to stand on’ because you have to legally have your deposit in a government approved scheme and they aren’t allowed to just ‘take whatever they decide’ there are rules about what they can deduct for. I have twice disputed deductions and won through the deposit scheme as they do enforce the rules.

Rewis · 19/05/2024 03:20

We had some of our deposit reduced for professional cleaning once. We left the place better than it was when we moved in. The tenancy agreement did say professional cleaning. We think the business model was have tenants clean it, claim it is not professional standard and reduce the deposit and not have anyone clean it. In the future if there is the professional cleaning stands clause, i'm not bothering cleaning up.

judgementfail · 19/05/2024 05:04

Let's get a few things clear here.

  • all deposits must be kept in tenancy deposit schemes. Landlords CANNOT take money out of your deposit unless they make an application to the deposit scheme
  • the scheme will only permit a deduction if there is clear evidence in pictures from the landlord that the property is in a less clean state than when you took the tenancy. If there are no pictures or clear descriptions from the inventory done when you moved in they dont don't have a case. Reasonable wear and tear is permitted. If they have no evidence then the adjudicator will side with the tenant
  • anything in your tenancy contract that says it requires a professional clean is NOT legal and NOT enforceable. Nor is an agent or landlord requiring you to use their cleaners.
  • the contract can state it requires you to clean to 'a professional standard' but that means you can do it yourself.
-If the LL does make a claim then you can refute this with your own records and photos and if you have had a professional clean receipts etc will help to show it's been cleaned to that standard.

Everyone here who claims that landlords always keep some back that is no longer possible because of the TDS.

If your landlord can do that because your deposit is not in a scheme then they are breaking the law and you can claim quite significant levels of compensation

Riversideandrelax · 19/05/2024 07:08

Happilyobtuse · 18/05/2024 21:53

In the past when we rented we always used our regular cleaner and told them we were leaving so we needed the place to be deep cleaned and to a high standard so we get our deposit back.

Both times I joined the cleaner and helped to get the job done quicker and cover any bits which were harder/took more time. Not had any problem with getting full deposit both times.

In the first instance the landlord was selling and she was happy with the amount of cleaning we had done.

In the second instance, the landlord came to collect the keys and actually shed a few tears, he said he had never seen a house handed back so clean, he said he wouldn’t need to professionally clean it before renting it again. He got emotional and said he had 14 properties and has been a landlord for so many years but no one has ever cleaned it and left it so nice. We also got our landlord some wines to say, Thank you. He had been lovely throughout our 11 month stay and always quick in case of any issues. Also when we first moved in he got us wine, chocolates and also a toy for our baby. So landlords only want it clean, you don’t need a specified end of tenancy cleaner.

Ah, he sounds lovely and you sound lovely in return! My DP used to be like this - they treated their tenants like part of the family!

Setyoufree · 19/05/2024 07:26

I haven't read the full thread but speaking as a landlord, if someone can show me a receipt for a full clean, that's good enough for me. It would be totally unfair for me to decide that's not good enough and arbitrarily deduct.

I'd like to think it's hard for a landlord to deduct from your deposit when you've done your best by paying a lot of money to get someone in. The new deposit scheme makes it much harder for landlords to keep deposit amounts now.

catchthebeat · 19/05/2024 07:48

Leave them a bad review with pictures, explaining everything you've put on here.

Lolly2507 · 19/05/2024 08:02

judgementfail · 18/05/2024 16:00

@ALovelyCupOfNameChange doesn't matter. The law says otherwise so they couldn't enforce it.

www.tenancydepositscheme.com/asktds-do-i-need-to-professionally-clean-the-property-at-the-end-of-the-tenancy/

This isn't true so you shouldn't give OP false hope. The law states they can't insist on a professional clean BUT if you were given it professionally cleaned they can insist you return it in the same standard (although technically you could clean to a professional standard yourself).

someonethatyoulovetoomuch · 19/05/2024 08:14

I’ve been stung twice in the past by “professional cleaners” who seemingly haven’t done a thing to the place; one company even left cigarette ends (theirs not ours) in the kitchen sink. Both times we lost the cost of the clean as couldn’t get refunds and had to pay out of our deposit for another clean. It’s awful, both companies looked well recommended from reviews but they were definitely false / paid for reviews. The last rented place we moved out of I just spoke to the agent and asked that they arrange the clean through their own contacts and deduct it from the deposit as payment, which they were happy to do and saved us the hassle of doing a big clean ourselves / risking another dodgy cleaning firm. It’s awful, and really not uncommon. Sorry OP, hope you enjoy your new home x

Cornflakelover · 19/05/2024 08:35

It’s awful how bad these companies are
my sons landlord was really fair and they are a big companie

she sent him a email with everything that needed to be done including the type of paint used for touching up if needed

It made it much easier to do as we knew we wouldn’t miss anything

i think when she checked we had missed 3-4 things that we went back to do and then she sent full deposit

Spinningroundahelix · 19/05/2024 08:56

Those filters come down completely. Just pull by the handgrips. It might just be residue of cleaning products. I'd give them a wash in the sink with some detergent and a brush. That is the way they are meant to be cleaned. If there has been a reaction with the cleaning fluids though you are out of luck. Sometimes stainless steel has a coating to make it look nicer and if these did the stainless has not been damaged but the coating has - which boils down to the same thing.

I'd not pay a cent and give him a very unemotional review with photographs. I'd be taking the photographs now before you tidy up. Who cares if he knows it was you reporting him, you'll be somewhere else?

Littlestminnow · 19/05/2024 10:05

Muffins34 · 18/05/2024 17:54

He’s just called me and asked me to come upstairs from the lobby and inspect the place. He said “I just need to mop the wooden floor then i’m done.” So I went upstairs to inspect as per his request…

All of the mess is his!! I left the flat bare for him!!. You can even see the empty sandwich box from when he disappeared for over half an hour and came back and ate a sandwich!! He’s left his empty packaging and drink bottle on my floor. He then asked me which part of the wooden floor I want mopping !!!! I said “what do you mean?! All of it!!” He said some parts of the wooden floor were “okay” but others were “a bit more dirty” hence the question !!

Bathroom is also a mess. I did a “finger test” on one of the windows. A mark he’d left, I managed to rub off with my dry finger, no product.

How on earth has he asked me to come up and Inspect the place when it’s like that?!

This has to be a wind up. He cannot be serious.

poshsnobtwit · 19/05/2024 10:17

I was given the task of helping an elderly neighbour to get cleaning help after her cleaning lady left. The agency ones were terrible, their packages had very specific tasks and anything outside of that had to be run past the boss first, then paid extra. I was there once when they came for a 'general clean'. It was £45 for what was supposed to be 80 minutes. Two women came, complaining profusely about how behind they were and that "we're going to have to be in an out ASAP". They were supposed to hoover, dust and do the kitchen/bathroom. It was a small 2 bed apartment, so between two of them they should have been able to be very thorough in that time. The lady literally hoovered a small square of carpet in the middle of the living room. When I nicely enquired about hoovering the edges she said that wasn't included. The kitchen clean was wiping down the worktops, the four cups in the sink "weren't included". Taking out a bin bag also wasn't included. Either was dusting the TV (only hard surfaces included). Changing bed linen wasn't either. They were in an out in 20 minutes, saying that they had fulfilled the criteria of the general clean, and that included a smoke break! I phoned the agency and cancelled.

pambeesleyhalpert · 19/05/2024 13:27

Omg OP. I'd be furious and upset. I'd be putting them all over SM!!!!

Mt61 · 19/05/2024 14:31

MyrtlethePurpleTurtle · 18/05/2024 23:06

Eh? So no one ever should have a cleaner? Crack on!

Some people like to do their own cleaning, I know some people standards aren’t up to mine, if I got a cleaner I would end up going over their work if they weren’t up to parr. Good cleaners that go the extra mile, are few & far between.

Crepester · 19/05/2024 14:40

Mt61 · 19/05/2024 14:31

Some people like to do their own cleaning, I know some people standards aren’t up to mine, if I got a cleaner I would end up going over their work if they weren’t up to parr. Good cleaners that go the extra mile, are few & far between.

Well that’s you everyone is different , some people don’t want to do their own cleaning especially for end of tenancy.

clearly OP didn’t want to do it herself or she’d have saved the £180 for herself ??

And even if she did want they had to get it to “cleaned to a professional standard” so it makes sense why she’d hire what she thought was a professional cleaner to stand more chance of getting the deposit back so that clearly explains why she used them. It’s not rocket science!

Mt61 · 19/05/2024 14:54

Crepester · 19/05/2024 14:40

Well that’s you everyone is different , some people don’t want to do their own cleaning especially for end of tenancy.

clearly OP didn’t want to do it herself or she’d have saved the £180 for herself ??

And even if she did want they had to get it to “cleaned to a professional standard” so it makes sense why she’d hire what she thought was a professional cleaner to stand more chance of getting the deposit back so that clearly explains why she used them. It’s not rocket science!

Edited

I get that, I don’t really want to clean mine, I’ve had give cleaners, either not putting in the full hrs, or cutting corners- good cleaners are few & far between! So I might as well save my money & do it myself!

Crepester · 19/05/2024 15:20

@Mt61 Fair enough! I don’t use cleaners on a weekly basis, but I have them in now and again. I’ve been quite fortunate so far with the ones I’ve found doing great cleans when I’ve been a bit overwhelmed!

I did live in a shared house though where the live- in landlord organised a cleaner every week (included in the rent) for the communal areas and it was honestly hard to see when she’d been in 😆 he eventually started doing the weekly deep cleans himself instead.

Ifinkyourefreaky · 19/05/2024 18:11

I do end of tenancy cleans myself as part of my buisiness and this is insane!

anon666 · 19/05/2024 18:51

When you said how much it's costing, that was the decider. That's a lot of money and you have every right to expect better. Tile cleaning is an example of what should be expected in a "deep clean"

Donsyb · 19/05/2024 20:04

judgementfail · 18/05/2024 15:21

The flat just needs to be cleaned to a reasonable standard. There is no requirement for a 'professional clean'.

The landlord cannot deduct from your deposit Willy Nilly. They must apply to the deposit scheme to do that. In the meantime you apply to have it returned.

This! There is no need to pay for a professional clean, just do a thorough clean yourself

JustMeAndTheFish · 19/05/2024 20:06

Feel your pain. I booked a highly recommended local cleaner to clean all the carpets and deep clean the kitchen before letting out my dad’s house. It was £300.
I don’t live in the area and was mortified when the agents went in the next day and found the kitchen drawers still full of bits and the cupboards greasy and sticky. I think she’d just used a domestic carpet cleaner as the carpets were very wet and still grubby.
i complained very politely and requested a refund but she never replied and blocked me on SM.

Donsyb · 19/05/2024 20:08

Muffins34 · 18/05/2024 20:43

I just couldn’t be bothered to be honest love. And act smug all you like sweet but you’ll find a lot of places have it written in the tenancy contract that it needs to be professionally cleaned. I wouldn’t have done the best job. Cleaners are putting themselves out there to be hired and just because in your mind you deem it laziness or such, doesn’t mean I deserve to be conned out of my money.

They cannot legally write this into the contract any more

Theeffingcleaner · 19/05/2024 20:16

He is taking the pee big time and not professional whatsoever imo.
I do private house cleans and one I do is a 5 bed house and that takes me 4 hours which is empty bins, 2 en- suite bedrooms, large bathroom with walk in shower, 2 childrens bedrooms including making beds and putting toys away if needed and also guest/spare bedroom , a large open plan kitchen, wash up if there are a few cups etc, utility room, small office, toilet downstairs, living room and also small playroom. I wipe down everything including windows if needed from fingerprints. Polish, vacuum and also mop of floors. I fully clean and my clients have never once complained as I am very thorough.

you have been charged an excessive amount tbh for what should of been 4hours maximum especially if rooms are empty and the place is free of furniture.

I have done an end of tenancy clean which also included cleaning of built in oven and that was a 3 bed house which took me just under 5 hours!
you need to take pictures and send them over to the agency with regards to the unacceptable cleaning of person who is doing it, I wouldn’t expect that level of incompetence from a professional cleaner and certainly would expect for the amount of money you are handing over for the clean to be done correctly and also properly in a specific time frame not all day long and for the cf to be taking break to eat and come up with every excuse not to actually do work that he is being paid to do.

Sometimesright · 19/05/2024 20:16

Yes she is paying -almost £200 so she doesn’t have to help with it!

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