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Cleaner is here right now, is he taking the piss?

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Muffins34 · 18/05/2024 15:00

It’s a lovely sunny, and my day plans have been cancelled because I’m waiting around on a cleaner doing my end of tenancy clean.

Today is my final day of tenancy. I currently live alone in an apartment. I use to have an flatmate but she moved out in December. Only a small 2 bedroom, 2 bathroom (one of them a tiny en-suite) and an open pan kitchen/small living room.

I booked the end of tenancy clean at 9am, this is the earliest appointment I could get. I wanted a first thing appointment so I could be out asap, I work Mon-Fri so it’s my day off, and none of my things are here.

i have paid a 50% deposit upfront, then will pay the remaining 50% to the company upon completion of works. Afterwards I then have to hand the keys back to my landlord.

He arrived an hour and 15 minutes late, didn’t get here until 10.15am (no apology or explanation) didn’t start the work until 10:30am because he spent 15 mins talking to himself about what he’s going to start with first, generally dithering about. At one point he actually sat down.

He arrived with very minimum cleaning products I noticed. At one point he said he needed gloves, so he walked back to his car (parked in a car park a 5 minute walk away!)

He came back, and finished one bedroom/bathroom in no time. Then said he was going to go to the shop for drinking water. The shop is on my street corner. He was gone for over half an half!! I called to ask where he was. When he came back he sat at my table and ate sandwiches he’d bought from the shop.

While I was gone I noticed in the bathroom (which was my previous flatmate’s) the tiles had not been cleaned properly (the tiles are textured and have depth in some areas, not sure if I’m explaining that properly) and still had some residue.

While he was having his lunch (after a late start and after only 1 hours work !) I asked him about the tiles, he said that’s a different service and he did not have the products? He had literally lightly cleaned over the surfaces.

I said to him “So what’s the difference between this End Of Tenancy clean, which I’m paying £180 for today, and a generic clean which would usually charge £16 an hour round here?” He could not answer and said he’ll go back to it at the end and “try his best”.

Is now 14:50 and he’s still only half way through the work. He’s done, 1 bathroom, 1 bedroom, and is half way through the kitchen. He still has the rest of the kitchen to complete, then the living room, and the remaining bathroom.

It’s a tiny apartment!

I’m convinced my deposit will be deducted due to it “not cleaned to a professional standard”. Its just doesn’t have that fresh cleaned look? Or even smell any different. I’ve had cleaning ladies before and it’s looks shined and spotless, and smells amazing.

It’s costing me almost £200.

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Muffins34 · 18/05/2024 22:01

PrincessofWells · 18/05/2024 21:54

The fact that you messed up by picking a company that are not able to provide cleaning to a reasonable standard has nothing to do with your landlord. That's on you. Save your ire for the company that just ripped you off.

How exactly as a civilian/tenant, not a person with connections in the cleaning industry, can I be 100% sure that they were going to do a legit job?

They had good reviews (obviously the agency didn’t send that individual on those occasions!) and a sponsorship ad on Google. I don’t use cleaners ever and the landlord didn’t recommended any certified veneers from their end.

i did my part and now I’ll pay the price for it

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PrincessofWells · 18/05/2024 22:01

Muffins34 · 18/05/2024 21:50

Exactly what I want to know. Why do we pay 5 times more for an end of tenancy clean, as opposed to £16 an hour for a generic weekly clean.

Because an end of tenancy clean will take about 12 or so person hours or an extra 4 or so if furnished and more if very dirty. For your cleaner to do this will cost around £250 and take around 16 hours as it looks as if your property is furnished. That means doing it over 2 days if a single person.

You were never going to get a decent clean by one bloke in 6 hours.

Muffins34 · 18/05/2024 22:02

Muffins34 · 18/05/2024 22:01

How exactly as a civilian/tenant, not a person with connections in the cleaning industry, can I be 100% sure that they were going to do a legit job?

They had good reviews (obviously the agency didn’t send that individual on those occasions!) and a sponsorship ad on Google. I don’t use cleaners ever and the landlord didn’t recommended any certified veneers from their end.

i did my part and now I’ll pay the price for it

Obviously that was suppose to read “venders” not veneers 🙄

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Tumbleweed101 · 18/05/2024 22:07

Landlords insist that it has to be done by someone who isn't the tenant so that it is 'professional'. I'm pretty sure the OP would have done better herself and saved herself £200 if the clause hadn't been in the contract. I wouldn't know who was and wasn't reputable if I was choosing someone as I don't use cleaners usually.

DorisDoesDoncaster · 18/05/2024 22:08

EoT should include oven deep clean, fridge and freezers too. Sounds way too cheap what you are paying!

Crepester · 18/05/2024 22:11

Muffins34 · 18/05/2024 21:50

Exactly what I want to know. Why do we pay 5 times more for an end of tenancy clean, as opposed to £16 an hour for a generic weekly clean.

Tbh sometimes it’s not worth it.

In one flat me and my flatmate who was moving out also cleaned it thoroughly and then after I moved my stuff out we had a regular hourly clean come through to go over everything . I think we paid for about 4 hours which was £80 and we had no deposit deductions.

But my understanding is that EOT cleaning is supposed to be like deep cleaning really.

He had 9am to 6pm to clean, that was enough time for a thorough cleaning of a small 2 bed flat and Idk where you are but in London you would’ve got lots of cleaners that would have done a great job in that time or 4 hours if it was 2 people.

I wouldn’t blame yourself, these things happen unfortunately.

ChickyBricky · 18/05/2024 22:12

Oh gosh OP, £180-worth of piss-take.

Life is so unfair at times. I wish I knew how to deal with situations like this.

In a week's time you'll be gone and won't have to deal with these wankers again.

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PrincessofWells · 18/05/2024 22:12

Tumbleweed101 · 18/05/2024 22:07

Landlords insist that it has to be done by someone who isn't the tenant so that it is 'professional'. I'm pretty sure the OP would have done better herself and saved herself £200 if the clause hadn't been in the contract. I wouldn't know who was and wasn't reputable if I was choosing someone as I don't use cleaners usually.

The clauses in contracts about properties needing to be professionally cleaned is an unfair contract term and is unenforceable, it has been litigated over. Most recently drafted contracts now say cleaned to a professional standard, which is something different in it's meaning.

Muffins34 · 18/05/2024 22:14

Tumbleweed101 · 18/05/2024 22:07

Landlords insist that it has to be done by someone who isn't the tenant so that it is 'professional'. I'm pretty sure the OP would have done better herself and saved herself £200 if the clause hadn't been in the contract. I wouldn't know who was and wasn't reputable if I was choosing someone as I don't use cleaners usually.

Thank you, exactly my thoughts. Never hired a cleaner in my life.

I swear sometimes Mumnetters just love to kick people when they’re down on bad luck.

I’d (reluctantly😅) have done it myself but if the contract says you bring someone else in then you bring someone else in 🙄

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rainbowxlight · 18/05/2024 22:14

Muffins34 · 18/05/2024 20:14

Yes I’m okay thank you. I’m really not sure what he’s done to the fan but they’ve never looked like that the whole 5 years I’ve lived there.

I’m wondering if I should even raise this to the landlord’s agency? As they could use it against me and blame me for using a dodgy cleaner (even though they’re were a sponsored ad on Google!) if I took other peoples advice on here and dispute it when it comes, I’d have more of a leg to stand on?

Was it a "Google Guaranteed" listing? Looks like you can apply for compensation from Google!
https://support.google.com/localservices/answer/7549288?visit_id=638516635340042208-763563979&hl=en&rd=1

Muffins34 · 18/05/2024 22:16

rainbowxlight · 18/05/2024 22:14

Was it a "Google Guaranteed" listing? Looks like you can apply for compensation from Google!
https://support.google.com/localservices/answer/7549288?visit_id=638516635340042208-763563979&hl=en&rd=1

Yes it was. Would the vender knows if I’d reported them via this route?

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Crepester · 18/05/2024 22:16

DorisDoesDoncaster · 18/05/2024 22:08

EoT should include oven deep clean, fridge and freezers too. Sounds way too cheap what you are paying!

I wouldn’t say it’s cheap, it is standard or at least it was in 2022 in London..might be pricier in other parts of the UK? I used the agency flat cleaners and got zero deductions. The pictures they sent showed it was spotless including oven etc . They charged just under £200 and it was either 3 or 4 hours but two people for a one bed flat . London might be cheaper than other parts of the UK

Otherstories2002 · 18/05/2024 22:37

Muffins34 · 18/05/2024 22:16

Yes it was. Would the vender knows if I’d reported them via this route?

Who cares if they do?! They literally don’t know where you live!

Icehockeyflowers · 18/05/2024 22:52

Ah OK...I am guessing they don't expect anyone to be sat around waiting.
As I said if you paying over 10x hourly rate I would expect it to take several hours....even if they sent two people you would expect at least 5hrs onsite.

This isn't how it works. For the hourly rate of £16 (or whatever the local rate is), it means light housework e.g. vacuuming, cleaning bathrooms, sweeping and mopping floors. Its a general clean for day to day normal dirt.

A deep clean is another level of cleaning. You are asked what areas need to be cleaned and each item is ticked on a list. They can estimate the approx number of hours it will take and then the price is quoted. The cleaners come equipped with the right products and start working quickly.

However in my experience, they are often late because they are coming from another job or because they can't find the address or maybe because they are all travelling together in one van. Who knows. I have waited over an hour too.

The level of cleaning isn't amazing but the OP has paid £180 which isn't a lot for a deep clean for a kitchen, two bathrooms, two bedrooms and a living room, keeping in mind windows should be washed, tiles deep cleaned, toilets scrubbed, floors gleaming, inside of appliances cleaned. These things all take a lot of time.
It was slow because the cleaner was working on his own instead of being part of a team of two or three people so it will have to take four hours of active cleaning and longer if scrubbing of tiles, inside of oven/fridge and inside of windows need to be washed and polished.

AngryBookworm · 18/05/2024 22:59

I've never paid for an end of tenancy clean because I used to be a cleaner and I can do it myself (the occasional letting agent has demanded I did it and been laughed at - not lost any deposits yet) but you'd expect a clean that lasts and you're paying for more than just a quick wipe around. For example if they wash anything they should go over after with a dry cloth to ensure no residue forms after evaporation.

Seconding @judgementfail - if in the end they try to deduct re cleanliness, they need to provide evidence of cost incurred, so ask for that if you get any deductions - and if they're successful, take that back to the cleaning company. Tenants do have rights in this and the Tenancy Deposit Scheme makes it quite easy to assert them, so don't just accept what the letting agency tells you.

Icehockeyflowers · 18/05/2024 23:01

Just read the OP's update and I am shocked!

I'd have caved and paid as well OP but I wonder if you can go through small claims? You have photographs?

I would plaster bad reviews everywhere I could online so they lose a lot more than you lost by paying £180. I'd make sure they lose thousands in business.

MyrtlethePurpleTurtle · 18/05/2024 23:05

Muffins34 · 18/05/2024 20:45

You say that but if you live alone and you have one man on the phone threatening to put your pictures and name all of social media while his mate films you in your own home, see how long it would take for you to crack.

Jeez, that's awful. You must be pretty shaken.

Bearbookagainandagain · 18/05/2024 23:06

180 seems very cheap for a 2 bed/2 baths... That's less than what I paid 4/5 years ago for my 1 bed (incl carpet), and it was about the average price for a end of tenancy at the time.

MyrtlethePurpleTurtle · 18/05/2024 23:06

Mt61 · 18/05/2024 20:21

Did you have to have a professional cleaner?
could you not have cleaned up after yourself? Saved yourself £180 😌

Eh? So no one ever should have a cleaner? Crack on!

MyrtlethePurpleTurtle · 18/05/2024 23:08

Oaktree55 · 18/05/2024 20:51

You seem to be expecting a deep clean which is not the same as an end of tenancy clean.

Irrespective of that, she was probably not expecting it to be worse at the end of the clean than at the beginning (or to be threatened in her own home)!

mjf981 · 18/05/2024 23:21

Is he high OP?
Seems very odd behaviour..

Crepester · 18/05/2024 23:26

For people saying it’s too cheap, it’s not.
On a cleaning company website it says the average clean is :

“ On average, the cost of end of tenancy cleaning in the UK is between £150 and £300. However, this can vary depending on the size of the property, its condition, and the location. Here are some of the factors that can affect the cost of end of Lease cleaning: “

So as OPs former flat is a small 2 bed
it’s perfectly feasible for her cost to have been on the lower end.

I’ve also did a Google search in my area as well as London where I used to live and there are plenty of companies doing it for £180.

If you paid a lot more than that for a EOT cleaning on a similar flat, that’s on you - but let’s not act as if OP paid for some extraordinary cheap service where poor quality was likely to be a feature.

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Lillers · 18/05/2024 23:27

When we moved out of our flat 3 years ago, we paid about £200 for an end of tenancy clean (was only a 1 bed, 1 bath). We were really pleased with it, had photos of how great it was etc., but when the landlady went round she complained to the agency that it hadn’t been cleaned properly because it smelled odd. We sent the photos etc as evidence, but because it said in our contract that we had to use a cleaner recommended by the agency, they backed the landlady and insisted that we get it cleaned again with a cleaner of their choice. We could have fought it but we were exhausted by that point (had a lot of issues in the house we’d just bought and just wanted the flat gone) so we paid for another clean. That cleaner said it was the easiest job she’d ever done because there was nothing wrong with the flat! Another couple of hundred quid down the drain.

StressedOutButProudMama · 18/05/2024 23:43

Phone he company and insist they send someone else and that they ask him him to leave. Insist on a proper job being done and don't pay the balance until it is

Bunny44 · 18/05/2024 23:51

DorisDoesDoncaster · 18/05/2024 22:08

EoT should include oven deep clean, fridge and freezers too. Sounds way too cheap what you are paying!

I paid less than that in London and she did all of that and to a high standard. We pay £15/hour here and it was quite clean to start with.