To think that men get a ridiculously bad rap on this site?

[MsLuxLisbon]

It is really depressing to read post after post after post knocking men, saying how awful and useless they are, saying they are mostly lazy, selfish sex pests, etc. That has not only not been my experience, but it hasn't been ANY of my friends' or family's, either. The odd bad man, sure, just as my male friends have dated bad women. But not enough to justify this bizarre generalisation.

Or can the relatively high proportion of men in prison be something to do with men being much more likely to be imprisoned then women over a comparable crime - A lot of research points in this direction. Men are also disproportionately effected with homelessness and further swell the prison population through persistent petty crime so hardly the spawn of Satan. Does that rebase your extrapolation at all?

According to the bbc men commit 70 of all crime and almost all violent crime

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It won't change their opinion, but of course you're quite correct.

The research does show that men are more likely than women to be imprisoned for comparable crimes but it's more nuanced than men simply being punished more harshly.

Repeat offenders of both sexes are more likely to be imprisoned, and receive longer sentences, than first time offenders. Men are more likely to be repeat offenders than women. It's quite well documented that women find prison harder than men and may be one of the reasons they cease offending before men.

Some research has examined the effects of mitigating factors on sentencing which does seem to help women avoid prison but there is no research on the effects of aggravating factors which may also contribute to the discrepancy.

I don't think I have ever read on MN that all men are bastards.

I mean, I've read an awful of codswallop (like on this thread) but not that all men are bastards.

Exactly. Why do some people hate Mumsnet so much? Just don’t come on if you find it so upsetting.
The entire rest of the internet is still available to you.
But no, you’d rather spend your time crusading to shut women up.

Don’t be citing pesky facts like this. Those misogynistic meanies at the BBC should hand their heads.

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Pull the other one OP, it has bells on.

96% of defendants in dv Court proceedings are male too (ONS)

The majority of men are not rapists or murderers but the majority of rapists and murderers are men.

Love men, have great men around me, love my son, husband,.Father, brother, cousins, nephew, male friends.

I have still been groped by men -.thankfully nothing worse - it is possible to love men but also recognise what their proclivities are. Just like females will have their own proclivities for certain negative behaviours.

Posters explaining why men might behave as they do, yes obviously there are societal reasons and pressures which influence this, there are reasons woman are less likely to.
Where is the conversation from men about what will help address it, and where is the challenge from the men who function well about what is seen as a cultural norm.
Instead it's -not all men, some woman are just as bad, this one woman did this too.

When you are talking sexual offenses no. When you are talking murder and the most violent crimes.also no.

Quite

I've perhaps seen a few threads with such a title or, occasionally within a thread a post declaring similar.

But according to some on this thread it's literally every other thread

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Never ever discussed on here the women who find male aggression attractive. Surely they reinforce negative male behaviour- Toxic attraction.

I agree with you. It's quite depressing. Maybe I've been lucky but most of the men I've had to deal with in life (family, friends, colleagues etc) have all been great.
These threads always descend in to people saying "men are responsible for 97% of rapes and sexual and violent crimes" etc. Yes we all know know that! But the vast majority of men are not going around raping people or violently attacking people.

I met plenty so I guess it evens out .

Do you think the posts describing bad behaviour from men are made up then OP? Or do you think said bad behaviour should just be glossed over and ignored?

As for the large number of threads about awful men it’s because people don’t start threads about normal functional relationships.

So a man abusing a women isn’t nuanced enough for you? Let’s bare in mind the woman’s behaviour is partly to blame?

So if the vast majority aren’t doing it, we shouldn’t discuss the ones that are?
No thank you.

Its a reasonable point. Women heavily invested in defending and protecting men are likely to have encountered a fair amount of superficial male approval. An obvious high regard for males, excusing of their bad behaviour, joining in with any negativity they display towards other women is going to bring you more positive interactions with men than women with a higher bar who challenge them or refuse to play along.

No, we definitely should address it. I think it's really important that we examine the issue of male violence and sexual aggression and look at the root causes.
I just really dislike the general negativity towards all men. So many posts on Mumsnet talk about men as a whole in a really unpleasant way. I don't think it's helpful.