To think Keir Starner is ignoring women and children’s rights?

[Greengablesfables]

Hello hello? Kier? We’re here. We are right here. We are Women. Are you listening to us? Hello? Hello?

They are great aren't they?
https://amp.theguardian.com/society/2024/jan/11/number-of-women-in-uk-who-die-during-pregnancy-rises-sharply

https://www.jrf.org.uk/uk-poverty-2024-the-essential-guide-to-understanding-poverty-in-the-uk

https://www.itv.com/news/2022-07-01/all-the-tories-embroiled-in-sexual-misconduct-allegations-since-2019

Those things you appreciate in the second paragraph. Is that due to people saying stop going on about the ‘trans issue’ or because women did speak up and effected change?

I’d say it was down to many women speaking up, even if often derided (including by pp on here sadly)

I don’t really think so.

The same people who are raising concerns now would have raised the same concerns no matter who was charge, but possibly they would have been heard earlier if we had a government that even took an interest in what is happening in public services.

I have voted Tory in the past but I lost all confidence some years ago and gender politics is no different.

Labour gets my vote.

Well said @pointythings

I’m not sure what this ‘trans issue’ is.

My issue is this women’s issue thing. Women and children.

https://unherd.com/2023/01/the-labour-party-has-a-woman-problem/

But this is old ground. I’m waiting for Labour to listen to women. Or women like me. Women like Labours own RD. Until then no vote.

As the other thread I posted above in pp discussed . 2022 and they are no better.

My issue is this women’s issue thing. Women and children.

Yes ‘trans issue’ is a bit of a giveaway

Keir is ignoring women and children you say?

So, women and children don't care about reducing NHS waiting lists, getting more teachers into schools, stabilising the economy ect?

news to me. You'll note that, by using his first name, I'm a Labour supporter.

Labour don't listen to women. They make an absolute POINT of not listening to women. Have you not been paying attention?

What, like this you mean?

Yes ‘trans issue’ is a bit of a giveaway

It's shorthand. You know that perfectly well.

The problem women have is men. Transwomen are only a tiny, tiny proportion of the predatory men out there. Focusing on them and ignoring, for instance, the all but explicit legalisation of rape in the UK, is completely missing the point.

If that one thing decides your vote above all others, you have not been paying attention to the way our government has made life harder for women across the piece. If you genuinely think the Tories do better for women, you haven't been listening.

Are Labour perfect? Of course not. But more of the same isn't the answer so like many pragmatists I will settle for change with the likelihood of at least some improvement in some areas.

You didn’t answer how you were able to list the things you want to keep

It was due to women speaking up. Something a few posters rally against.

@pointythings

‘The problem women have is men. Transwomen are only a tiny, tiny proportion of the predatory men out there’

Totally missing the point 🤯🙈

Oh fgs. This place!

Is that you, Kemi/Suella/Gillian etc?

How are people still incapable of hiding a thread

There are a lot of women who will be very pleased to hear about better availability of hospital appointments, more police and more teachers.

He is the leader and will be if they get in.
Just shows that even as the opposition for 17 years he still cant say the right things

Not so many women will be happy with a man giving them intimate examinations, sharing a ward, a bathroom, toilets, men doing intimate police searches etc. No not many women will like that at all.

I was assaulted by a man in a hospital ward (in Italy). In the middle of the night when I’d been asleep . We were sharing a room. Labour are enabling that.

Yes. You are right.
Women like Maya Forstater, Kathleen Stock, JKR and now Hilary Cass have been instrumental in protecting women's sex based rights.

The Conservative party however have done nothing apart from parasitise feminists. It baffles me why so many posters are so obsessed with trying to make this an anti left-wing issue. its just very obviously not. But I guess Lee Anderson did say that picking fights over "culture wars" was the only option the Tories had.

Those things happen now don't they @Greengablesfables?

Not so many women will be happy with a man giving them intimate examinations, sharing a ward, a bathroom, toilets, men doing intimate police searches etc. No not many women will like that at all

That's happening now, under a tory government 🤔 😳

🤷‍♀️

Neither Labour or Keir Starmer have been in opposition for 17 years.

Yes it’s been allowed to creep in. Labour will fast track it no doubt.

Surely not 'creep in', but rather the direct result of 14 years of Conservative policy.

Doesn't have to be fast tracked by anyone - it's already happening.

People keep saying this. Where's the evidence?

Oh wait, there isn't any. Just assumption and interpretation.