To think Keir Starner is ignoring women and children’s rights?

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Hello hello? Kier? We’re here. We are right here. We are Women. Are you listening to us? Hello? Hello?

@MistyGreenAndBlue I agree.

It would have been beyond awful

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67921954.amp

https://www.thenational.scot/news/24079665.rishi-sunaks-family-firm-infosys-set-millions-government-money/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.economictimes.com/news/economy/foreign-trade/uk-pm-sunak-faces-questions-over-wife-akshatas-infosys-shares-in-fta-with-india-report/amp_articleshow/103103265.cms

I'd say it's a bit more credible as a "vested interest" theory than Starmers interview brain fart

FFS, 3 in 10 children in the UK are now living in relative poverty and there are still people banging on about whether Labour are ignoring women and children's rights. I think a child's right to be fed, clothed and warm is pretty fundamental and there's only been one party ignoring/actively taking away that right. I despair of how blinkered some people are to the devastation this government has caused.

but that was found to be inadvertent - so he did not intend to benefit her interests, as you implied.
im sure that was inadvertence on your part too, rather than disingenuousness.

Oh fuck off with this whataboutery, you can be bothered about more than one thing at the same time. Wild I know.

But he’s referred to his daughter as being just that - his daughter - on many occasions (pre and post the “two sons” comment - which was confirmed by a spokesman to just be a slip of the tongue).

People get their words muddled all the time, it happens. I think taking one verbal slip as evidence that he had a trans child is ridiculous tbh.

Which? The childcare shares?
Or the Infosys on preferred government supplier list so they are making ££ from government contracts? Or the trade agreement with India involving many visas for Infosys workers to come to the UK for the benefit of Infosys?
I think Murty potentially benefitting from government decisions is in the public interest. Ever heard of kleptocracy?

https://www.chathamhouse.org/2022/07/what-kleptocracy-and-how-does-it-work

This is a bit more than fumbling words in an interview, isn't it?

Rude.
There are far fewer threads about childhood poverty than trans issues and resulting "safeguarding". PP makes a good point that's entirely relevant to the thread title.

People get their words muddled all the time, it happens. I think taking one verbal slip as evidence that he had a trans child is ridiculous tbh.

Yeah totally, I have no idea if he has a trans child or not. I'm just saying you don't usually trip up with the sexes of your kids. Names yes. I said IF his child was trans then that leads to further discussion which may have further impact on why he won't commit to saying what a woman is. Happy to be presented with concrete evidence though.

Rude.
There are far fewer threads about childhood poverty than trans issues and resulting "safeguarding". PP makes a good point that's entirely relevant to the thread title.

If there weren't people insisting men can be women and saying they should be in women's spaces by simply saying they're a woman (like you have over various threads saying you aren't bothered by the presence of men in bathrooms and the like) then maybe we could focus on more important matters like child poverty!

Are you on glue?

This isn't whataboutery and it's a damn sight less blinkered than bo hoo man in a dress.

These threads do more harm to woman's rights than anything as people get bored with having it rammed down their throats every 5 minutes and switch off. That's when things creep under the radar. Right now, politically, everything has stopped- we have no governance so no decisions on gender are being taken by anyone, but by bringing up the same lame crap every day people won't care when we need them too.

It's bad form to quote across threads, certainly to misquote across threads. I don't agree with self ID so please don't imply I do. I'm not derailing the thread into toilets. It's totally irrelevant as to whether "Starmer is ignoring women and children's rights".

It is a fact that there are fewer threads about childhood poverty. That's an observation. And I agree with PP that it's one of the biggest threats to children at the moment, one they deserve protecting from. Just one of many reasons I'll vote Labour.

Are you on glue?

No, not on glue. Is glue still a thing?

Just able to care about multi issues at the same time, like I stated. The threat to women's rights doesn't equate to 'boo boo a man in a dress'. If you don't have the capacity to get that then I can't help you. Child poverty is also a massive problem. Both can be addressed. Simultaneously. You don't have to engage with anything you don't want to.

Well that’s not correct. You may feel angered by pp talking about it but it’s clear to see from Self ID a few years ago to Cass review and no puberty blockers today women are getting somewhere,

And ’man in a dress’? a bit reductive

I think the issues and concerns for womens rights and where we go with reforms shall be a far bigger issue in the next election for the Labour Party

and of course the Tories are not finished that is nothing but wishful thinking. Far too much power and money is involved. They will no doubt take a battering at the next election but they already have their sights on the election after and Labour will absolutely need to win this election to

I'm sure they will.

Labour haven't been in opposition for 17 years.

He hasn't been the leader for 17 years either.

So true. On both counts.

op would you rather have the Tory's still in power because posting things like this are just making that more likely to happen. Pick your battles next year!

This is old ground

Well I suppose the OP had a point there. Plenty of threads saying how dangerous Labour apparently are for women. Ramming that allegation down people's throats every few days isn't going to persuade people.

Hi @Allthesea who is your local Labour mp. I'm desperate to vote Labour as I want tories out but feel so unheard with this issue. If there was a Labour mp that could let us be heard I'd back her/him and hope the rest of the party could see.

So you acknowledge you were misleading in relation to your original allegations. Progress!
The rest, sadly, is pure conspiracy theory. Infosys is one of the biggest IT suppliers in the world. Of course they get government business and will continue to do so. And they are far from the only company operating here with a desire to bring in workers from India. The majority of actuaries and data analysts my employer recruits now are from India. its a pity you have a problem with this.

It’s interesting, and really quite funny, how a certain type of person absolutely loses their shit when they contemplate how successful people like the Murthys or Sunak are. They somehow can’t quite believe they might be legit. Wonder why that is. Hmmm.

Look at Mid Beds. Nadine Dorres' constituency as safe a blue as you'd get. Now Labour and more recently a Labour police commissioner. Even Labour didn't expect that. The Tory voters are PISSED off.

Honestly the Tory HQ needs to wake up and realise these 'culture wars' aren't driving people to vote, it's not being able to see a GP that making the older generations switch.

South Norfolk here too and I have some hope. The PCC vote flipped to Labour and the make up of the constituency is really changing with all the new builds on the Norwich outskirts. Suspect the Tories may hang on this time but their lead majority will be much reduced which might make future votes a lot less of a foregone conclusion.