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To ask what on earth do people who post about Palestine expect to happen?

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trekking1 · 15/05/2024 22:53

It seems that every time I log into social media there are so people constantly posting about how we need to free Palestine and condemning everyone who ignores their posts.

May I ask what do they expect posting about it will actually accomplish? Did I miss something and wars can be stopped with SM posts? If so, why are they not posting the same about Ukraine? There is still a war going on there...

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ShyPoet · 16/05/2024 18:19

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Lulooo · 16/05/2024 18:22

OolongTeaDrinker · 15/05/2024 23:12

I’ve noticed a couple of friends, having not really ever posted anything political on social media have become absolutely fixated on the Palestine situation, posting multiple times per day. They don’t have any personal ties to Palestine so I have no idea why they have currently devoted their time to this and have never mentioned any other atrocities. I do wonder what all the 🍉 emojis and posts of ‘solidarity 👊’ are actually supposed to achieve OP so I do get what you are saying!

You don’t need personal ties to a country to feel outrage at the mindless killings of 40,000 civilians. You just need humanity.

LargeAmericano · 16/05/2024 18:23

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How on earth does that compare with Arafat?

Comedycook · 16/05/2024 18:23

Lulooo · 16/05/2024 18:22

You don’t need personal ties to a country to feel outrage at the mindless killings of 40,000 civilians. You just need humanity.

No one thinks the death of civilians is ok...or do you think those people who don't endlessly post their displeasure on social media are secretly thrilled when they hear a child has been killed?

MsLuxLisbon · 16/05/2024 18:26

Lulooo · 16/05/2024 18:22

You don’t need personal ties to a country to feel outrage at the mindless killings of 40,000 civilians. You just need humanity.

Why start with Palestine, though? There are horrible wars all over the world, why are people fixating on this one?

Toxicinlawz · 16/05/2024 18:31

Comedycook · 16/05/2024 18:12

Turkish settlers in Northern Cyprus were given homes and land belonging to Greek Cypriots who were forced out. These issues are not unique to Palestinians.

land belonging to theTurks was also given away to the greeks. Everything that one side suffered so did the other so tell a full story not half just to create a narrative to suit you. The war in Cyprus once again due to the governments and the British government (there's a surprise) of course the land was traded off the two sides separated 🙄

Thebestwaytoscareatory · 16/05/2024 18:33

LargeAmericano · 16/05/2024 18:14

And in answer to the OP’s very legitimate question, it’s to whip up hatred against the ‘Zionist’s’ (otherwise known as Israelis who legally accepted a homeland from the governing authority after the defeat of the Ottoman NOT Palestinian empire) and the Jewish people in general.

Also worth pointing out that there was a pretty decent sized Jewish population living in that area for the entirity of the Ottoman empire (and before) and that the division of land when creating the state of Israel was, in part, based on the existence of these settlements.

trekking1 · 16/05/2024 18:33

kirinm · 16/05/2024 13:40

You don't remember the support for Ukraine which is ongoing? People taking in Ukrainians? The government permitting access to Ukraines?

What is it about Palestinians being murdererd that doesn't bother you OP?

You are putting words in my mouth, never said it doesn't bother me, I just don't understand what people think posting some generic "let's free Palestine" posts will achieve as if Middle East wars are ended with social media posts

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Eieiom · 16/05/2024 18:42

Of course social media posts have an impact on awareness and perceptions, just like any other media type. Otherwise you wouldn't have governments or companies using them to sell policies/products.
Politicians are very aware of social media and use it to gain support on issues and also gauge public opinion too, this is nothing new.
Social activists use it to lobby and build connections and movements.
So I don't really get why people think it achieves nothing, when it's pretty evident that it can.
The support for Palestine is pretty vociferous because many governments are supporting Israel, and citizens are finding it difficult to reconcile that their country is supporting an action with the gargantuan level of casualties that it has had to date.
I also think that there is no clear endpoint for this military action by Israel, so people are justifiably fearing that it is meeting the criteria for genocide.

LargeAmericano · 16/05/2024 18:45

trekking1 · 16/05/2024 18:33

You are putting words in my mouth, never said it doesn't bother me, I just don't understand what people think posting some generic "let's free Palestine" posts will achieve as if Middle East wars are ended with social media posts

They always try to put words in your mouth OP.

The words ‘Hamas must surrender immediately so Palestinians can stop being used as human sacrifices for an extremist religious ideology’ doesn’t come out of theirs though funnily enough.

OolongTeaDrinker · 16/05/2024 18:48

Lulooo · 16/05/2024 18:22

You don’t need personal ties to a country to feel outrage at the mindless killings of 40,000 civilians. You just need humanity.

Argggh I explained in a subsequent post - you like another poster have misunderstood what I am saying - my point was in response to the OP in that people I know who have not said a peep online about other recent atrocities and genocides are now posting about the situation in Gaza multiple times per day - which would be understandable if they had ties to the region but they don’t, so why haven’t they been so fixated on other situations where lots of innocent people are being massacred? No amount of 🍉 emojis and ‘solidarity 👊’ is going to make the slightest bit of difference to the conflict.

TakeMe2Insanity · 16/05/2024 19:32

therealcookiemonster · 16/05/2024 15:54

agreed.

I'm a religous Conservative Muslim and a lot of my social circle consists of very religous people of various backgrounds and faiths. I'm yet to meet someone of any religion who think that religous texts are a sane basis for determining who gets to live where.

and God stating a certain land will be inherited by a certain group of people doesn't mean He is telling them to go take it but rather its a prophecy of something that will happen. in the same way the outcomes of wars between the Persians v Romans was foretold in the Qur'an.

anyone who thinks theological texts should be the basis of laying claim to any kind of property or land needs to get their head checked.

Also worth noting lots of zionists don’t believe in a God and yet believe God gave them the land. Contradiction is something else.

Toxicinlawz · 16/05/2024 19:32

Comedycook · 16/05/2024 18:18

No essentially I was not saying that at all.

Maybe that's not what you meant but that's the message that gets planted. I don't support the Palestinians with a view of not supporting the Israeli civilians. Both sides are suffering.

therealcookiemonster · 16/05/2024 19:35

TakeMe2Insanity · 16/05/2024 19:32

Also worth noting lots of zionists don’t believe in a God and yet believe God gave them the land. Contradiction is something else.

I find people who use religion as a means of oppressing and hurting others don't actually believe in God at all even the ones who say they do. because anyone truly believing in a Being who Created all life should not be able to take life so willingly

TakeMe2Insanity · 16/05/2024 19:37

OolongTeaDrinker · 16/05/2024 18:48

Argggh I explained in a subsequent post - you like another poster have misunderstood what I am saying - my point was in response to the OP in that people I know who have not said a peep online about other recent atrocities and genocides are now posting about the situation in Gaza multiple times per day - which would be understandable if they had ties to the region but they don’t, so why haven’t they been so fixated on other situations where lots of innocent people are being massacred? No amount of 🍉 emojis and ‘solidarity 👊’ is going to make the slightest bit of difference to the conflict.

Maybe this touches them differently?

Watermelons may mean nothing to you but when the Palestinians weren’t allowed to fly their flag they drew pictures of watermelons as their resistance to occupation. Again that does nothing in itself but to the Palestinians I know it means we care about them and are trying to keep them alive. So many villages have been wiped away, homes repopulated, and now so many lives lost keeping the watermelons going keeps them visible. This thread (and the 8+ pages of posts) proves it.

TakeMe2Insanity · 16/05/2024 19:38

therealcookiemonster · 16/05/2024 19:35

I find people who use religion as a means of oppressing and hurting others don't actually believe in God at all even the ones who say they do. because anyone truly believing in a Being who Created all life should not be able to take life so willingly

Oppression is just wrong.
Occupation is just wrong.

therealcookiemonster · 16/05/2024 19:43

TakeMe2Insanity · 16/05/2024 19:38

Oppression is just wrong.
Occupation is just wrong.

I'm 100% in agreement in that

I was just pointing out the inherent hypocrisy of people using religion as an excuse to hurt other people

applies to people using any and all religions. including using the old testament as an excuse to throw people off their land or Al Qaeda/ISIS misusing cherry picked versed of the Qur'an out of context to kill people or Hindu extremists abusing Muslims because they sell meat/beef

Floralsofa · 16/05/2024 19:54

I've seen people commenting on Instagram on Pregnant Then Screwed and a couple of other charity pages, demanding and actually being quite rude, all along the lines of why they aren't raising awareness about Gaza. Ridiculous.

TakeMe2Insanity · 16/05/2024 19:56

therealcookiemonster · 16/05/2024 19:43

I'm 100% in agreement in that

I was just pointing out the inherent hypocrisy of people using religion as an excuse to hurt other people

applies to people using any and all religions. including using the old testament as an excuse to throw people off their land or Al Qaeda/ISIS misusing cherry picked versed of the Qur'an out of context to kill people or Hindu extremists abusing Muslims because they sell meat/beef

100%

headstone · 16/05/2024 19:58

The occupation on exists because of western support, western weapons are what have killed so many children. Absolutely citizens of western countries should be protesting and sharing information as much as possible.

Karensalright · 16/05/2024 20:19

@trekking1 So if i understand correctly you are posting a pointless post about pointless posting?

or are you saying we should al refrain from posting on things that have a point?

😂😂😂

hipingpot · 16/05/2024 20:21

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TakeMe2Insanity · 16/05/2024 20:35

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You really expect me to name individual members of the public on an open forum?

Auvergne63 · 16/05/2024 20:41

GenerationP · 16/05/2024 00:27

Here’s an idea @Nctodayjan24 when are YOU going to hold Hamas accountable for starting this damn war, using their own people as human shields, stealing the aid earmarked for ordinary Garzans which they then sell on for profit. And when are YOU going* *to tell Hamas to release the remaining hostages, lay down their AK47s and surrender completely?

Second of all, where the hell are you taking those statistics from? Don’t you know that between 6 May and 8 May, the UN cut in half its estimates of the number of women and children killed in Gaza. The estimates were based on Hamas numbers and are a reminder that all fatality estimates coming from that source are unreliable.

Casualties of war, to my knowledge, have never been reported as the war is happening. These numbers (that I’ve also seen being reported on these very threads!) were completely fabricated. Why is it important you may wonder, people are still dying. It’s important because the mendacious accusation of genocide is being thrown around and used to demonise Israel and Jews. And it's being used precisely because Jews have experienced genocide. This is however, nothing new. The accusation of genocide in Palestine has been alleged for decades, even as the population increased substantially. What we are seeing here is the UN's complicity in colluding with terrorists.

Here are some things that prove (prove!) there is no genocide in Gaza. Israel accepts the surrender of prisoners and treats their wounded. Israel allows aid into the enemy.
Israeli labor is building the new US pier in Gaza to help increase aid. Israel has paused the war for weeks trying to convince Hamas to accept an extraordinarily generous ceasefire agreement to save lives (Hamas declined.) And, yes, Israel warns the enemy of troop movements in advance (putting themselves at risk in the process). The ONLY people still calling this war a genocide are doing so simply to try and raise hate against Jews.

Hamas is accountable for the horrors of 07/10.
The Israeli government, who supported Hamas for 14 years ( well documented), is responsible for what is happening now.
using their own people as human shields
A tactic used by the IDF too
Human shield - Use of Palestinian civilians as human shields in violation of High Court order - Israel | ReliefWeb
These numbers (that I’ve also seen being reported on these very threads!) were completely fabricated.
Here are the figures
UN says Gaza death toll still over 35,000 but not all bodies identified | Reuters
It’s important because the mendacious accusation of genocide is being thrown around and used to demonise Israel and Jews. And it's being used precisely because Jews have experienced genocide. This is however, nothing new. The accusation of genocide in Palestine has been alleged for decades, even as the population increased substantially.
The courts will decide if it is a genocide, not you or me.
What we are seeing here is the UN's complicity in colluding with terrorists.
All 193 members? You do know that the UN partitioned Palestine in order for Israel to be founded? Now they are terrorists lovers?
Israel accepts the surrender of prisoners and treats their wounded. Israel allows aid into the enemy.
There is being ill informed and there is being deluded.
Israel/OPT: Horrifying cases of torture and degrading treatment of Palestinian detainees amid spike in arbitrary arrests - Amnesty International
I won't bother trying to counter argue the rest of your post because I don't have the time.

Human shield - Use of Palestinian civilians as human shields in violation of High Court order - Israel

Analysis in English on Israel and 1 other country; published on 14 Nov 2002 by B'Tselem

https://reliefweb.int/report/israel/human-shield-use-palestinian-civilians-human-shields-violation-high-court-order

hipingpot · 16/05/2024 20:44

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