To ask what on earth do people who post about Palestine expect to happen?

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It seems that every time I log into social media there are so people constantly posting about how we need to free Palestine and condemning everyone who ignores their posts.

May I ask what do they expect posting about it will actually accomplish? Did I miss something and wars can be stopped with SM posts? If so, why are they not posting the same about Ukraine? There is still a war going on there...

or Sudan, or Nigeria, Yemen, or the Uighers in China, or many other conflicts.............

Thanks for trying @Nctodayjan24

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"The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have any."

We can but try.

It is clear here the real reason people here don't agree with the social media posts is that we can now see through the absolute crap they are spouting like the UN figures
Knowledge is power not trendy or performative.

I had to unfollow a number of good friends because I couldn't see videos or photos of injured and dead children and adults everyday, it was affecting me, my mental health and my ability to look after my children.

I think the posting is from people who want to help, but have no way of doing so, and feel the only thing they can do is 'spread awareness'. But they haven't really thought it through, actually by constantly sharing these images, people are probably having more of a detrimental affect on humanity

. One of my best friends killed himself a few years ago. He was struggling in various ways, but had also become totally despondant over the 'environmental crisis'. Basically too many people constantly sharing doom-laden social media posts in the name of 'raising awareness'. I think it tipped him over the edge.

What affect is anyone really having when they constantly share negative images. I suppose it might make the sharer feel a little better about themselves, but at the expense of everyone elses metal health.

What a blessing it is to have the option to look away and it not be your actual life

Do you think people here have no problems of their own in their lives?

It’s THAT kind of ignorance @Nctodayjan24 - “oh lucky you” - that fucks people off. YOU may have no problems in your life and can focus on a foreign cause but people are suffering with poverty, abuse, cancer, death, all sorts in their personal lives and they are allowed to look to social media for a lighthearted release, not endure a haven for the people who got a hard on by racing to post the most shocking images out of all their friends.

How dare you assume people’s lives are ‘blessing’ because they don’t live in Palestine. It’s so, so ignorant to behave this way.

It seems that less people hate:

• babies and young children being tied together with metal wire, petrol being poured over them, and being burned to death
• women being gang raped so horrifically that their pelvises break
• women having their breasts cut off while being raped and nails driven into their vaginas
• a family including two young children having body parts amputated in front of one another before being shot to death
• a pregnant woman having her fetus cut out of her stomach and it being killed in front of her
• a man having his head hacked off with a garden hoe (not even Israeli but in Israel)
• naked, brutalised women having their bodies paraded on trucks to be hit and spat on by civilians and dragged through town tied to a motorbike
• elderly women having their deaths live-streamed on their own Facebook account
• whole families including young babies , young girls, men, elderly people taken hostage, who died in the hands of brutal savages who committed all the above and more, after going through who knows what horrors while in captivity and still more are being held captive with no one knowing if they’re alive or dead after over 7 months. Some hostages being forcefully captured with the help of civilian women (or they may be Hamas who knows)
• Civilians celebrating in the streets, holding babies aloft with machine guns at the atrocities against innocent families (many of them who helped Palestinians), and young people attending a PEACE festival, that were enacted in their name

Yes, no religion or people indoctrinated in an extremist religion should get a free pass to commit these atrocities for fear of being biased against the religion or the people.

You don’t need to be Jewish to stand up for Israel, you just need to be human………

Remember that Israel did not start the current operation to dismantle Hamas and get back their hostages until TWENTY DAYS after the genocide of their people. They started bombing on the 27th October. They made their intentions clear. Did Hamas make any attempt to protect their citizens knowing without doubt what they were?

Pray tell, why were people not vociferously demonstrating and posting on SM that Hamas and the other terrorist groups in Gaza must surrender before that to protect innocent Palestinian men, women and children from a war? Are they now?

Did they think that their protests and SM postings would force Israel to say OK fine, these brutal attacks on our people were well deserved after all the wars declared against us we’ve already won, we’ll take down the wall, get our coats and leave everything we’ve built, including the hostages, to the Palestinians. Jet off to the US who will surely be happy to have all 9 million of us - but oh wait don’t a lot of them hate us too. Aren’t their students supporting Hamas and people are marching in the streets in support of Hamas? We should be OK as now we’ll just be Jewish, not Israelis, shouldn’t we?

Protests, demonstrations and a slick SM campaign against Israel started on the 8th October the day after October 7th before Israel had even started incursions into Gaza.

Just think about that for a moment…….

Anyone would think it was carefully orchestrated.

There is no religion that gets a free pass to commit these atrocities for fear of being called biased against the religion

<sigh> once again blaming Jews collectively for the actions of Israel. Depressing

And yes I agree with PPs. This is only the second war we have seen on smart phone. That’s why there is more outrage and I believe it will continue to grow with every war from here on out.

The first one was Ukraine. They said people only cared suddenly because they were white. (As opposed Afghanistan/ Iraq etc etc).

Then there was Israel / Palestine. Here we only care because we’re anti Muslim/ anti Semitic or insert other bigotry.

I wonder how many wars it will take for people to realise there’s quite a lot of other people who just don’t like wars. Regardless of who’s committing them.

I often see a lot of historical posts about Anne Frank on my social media feed...I guess the algorithm picks up what I'm interested in. It's absolutely horrifying when you go into the comments section, the number of posts about Palestine saying terrible things about her too. Imagine thinking a child 80 years ago who died horrifically in a concentration camp has anything to do with the current conflict and even worse post a vile public comment about her. But of course, they must just be so much more moral than I am and just hate seeing dead babies on the news, right? If only I had that level of humanity

We’ve had smart phones and social media (including Twitter) since before 2010. TikTok was released to the west long before the pandemic. The Arab Spring over a decade ago was reliant on social media to coordinate. Here is a list of current, ongoing armed conflicts: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ongoing_armed_conflicts

This is not the first war or second war to unfold over social media on our phones. It’s just being hugely amplified by the terminally online who can now openly hate the Jews. Until October last year this same group had never even mentioned the Middle East online and were entirely obsessed with the ‘trans genocide’.

Plenty of the footage and photos being shown over social media now isn’t even from Gaza—it’s from places like Syria and Yemen (again giving the lie to the idea this is the first war happening on our smart phones). But by the time it’s been identified as such it’s already been retweeted and shared on Facebook by fuck knows how many people who take everything online at face value, perpetuating the lie.

At this point the only on the ground footage I can trust is what Hamas shared on social media on Oct 7, of the atrocities they were so proud to be committing.

‘Awareness’ is a double-edged sword. My awareness is now that a lot of what comes out of Gaza is incorrect, combined with overexposure just making a lot of people tune out whenever it’s mentioned. People can hector on this thread all they want. All it does is turn away normal people who are sick of hearing the self-righteous who don’t actually do anything themselves apart from hit repost.

I don't understand why you are listing these out
I have repeatedly condemned Hamas and the actions of October 7th.
Will you condemn Israel and the actions of the IDF?

Sorry I am going to disagree with you on this. It is absolutely mind boggling we didn’t have this that long ago - because it feels like forever and no one can imagine any previous life. But it’s true. These are the first 2 wars shown in first person smart phone in instant time.

2009 was the first smart phone ever. And it wasn’t that smart. I got my first iPhone when I was 23 and I’m quite throughly middle class British. I’m 33 now so that was roughly 2014ish. However picture, and video quality was awful, bandwidths and data packages not really a thing. Battery life abysmal. You were terrified to even send a photo message as you got charged extortionate amounts. Let alone have ability to upload videos to the internet.

It wasn’t until December 2016 that Twitter even facilitated video & lives properly for the very first time.

The above is the timeline of the wealthy west. I don’t know the timelines in say for example Palestine but it’s clear they have iPhones and data packages now.

It’s quite incredible. As much as it’s disturbing seeing all this online I’m not depressed about it. I’m hopeful that powerful violent men will begin to realise they can’t just start wars in the dark anymore. They can’t control narratives like they could. And they have no more power than the power we allow them to have.

This could be an end to wars. If everyday people just say no. What the fuck are you doing?! It’s as simple as that. And it does make a difference when people stand up and collectively say no.

Alternatively ask yourself why are you so against the plight of the Palestininans?

They probably would do that’s the annoying thing. Very few Israelis support their current government but if anyone else criticises them then they’re called antisemitic.

I understand concerns that levels of antisemitism may rise due to current events. That’s a legitimate concern. I’m not sure pointing the finger at people who support Palestinians and calling them bigoted and performative is the best way to combat that though.

Periscope launched on Twitter in early 2015. There have been numerous armed conflicts around the world since then. The Wikipedia link I shared details many that are current and ongoing. Footage from some of those has been shared online for years (and in some cases misappropriated to propagandise the current conflict).

It’s not the first, second, or even third. People just weren’t paying attention, because they weren’t ’just like us’ (Ukraine) or there were no Jews involved (Isreal/Gaza). Gaza has just been far more amplified because of people with an agenda.

I’m sure the alt-right are especially enjoying the online left doing their antisemitic work for them. It’s quite something seeing so-called progressives repeat the typical 4chan talking points of Jews controlling the world.

Incidentally I think it’s naive to think this will have any major change in terms of war and powerful men. People have been looking at horror and gore online for decades. The more images that are shared, the more desensitised we become. ‘War in the middle east’ is like ‘school shooting in the US’. It’s tragic but it’s also just business as usual.

Very few Israelis support their current government but if anyone else criticises them then they’re called antisemitic

This is another tiresome myth that criticising the Israeli government results in you being accused of being anti semetic.

Literally no one thinks that simply criticising the idf or government is anti semetic....but we are continually told it's happening.

I see lots of posts on the citme criticising them and I don't consider it anti semetic.

What you'll find is there is often something else which has prompted them to be called anti semetic such as holocaust inversion for example.

So as a hypothetical example I've made up ...

I think what the Israeli government is doing in Gaza is terrible...not anti semetic

I think what the Israeli government is doing in Gaza is terrible...never again means for everyone....anti semetic.

But none of those are cross country wars with invading parties. They are all civil wars. That’s not the same. It’s quite easy to say Isreal should not be in palestine right now. Same as it was easy to say Palestine should not have invaded Israel last October. It’s easy to say Russia shouldn’t be in Ukraine. You can’t say Yemenis shouldn’t be in Yemen or Nigerians in Nigeria or any other inter country conflict. Same as with the Afghanistan withdrawal fuck up - we can’t say Afghans shouldn’t be in Afghanistan. The best we could do was say ‘ahh that’s fucked!’

And Chinese Uighurs - well I don’t think we are seeing that first hand on iPhones from their concentration camps.

So sorry we are going to have to disagree. Hopefully there aren’t more wars but inevitably there will be. I’m assuming China and Taiwan at some point. At that stage I’m sure everyone will equally say China needs the get the fuck out of Taiwan.

None of those is rocket science. People can pretend it is or use whatever slurs they like to try to make it appear so.

Literally no one thinks that simply criticising the idf or government is anti semetic....but we are continually told it's happening.

Its literally in the post above yours @Comedycook

Which one? The one by @stepfordblanket because I've read it and haven't come to that conclusion.

People just weren’t paying attention, because they weren’t ’just like us’ (Ukraine) or there were no Jews involved (Isreal/Gaza). Gaza has just been far more amplified because of people with an agenda.

For the record I have no problem criticising the Israeli government. I certainly don't think criticising the IDF is antisemitic. I have often thought the ADL do more damage to themselves by accusing all and sundry of antisemitism. They put out an ad last year which I thought was hilariously bad.

But there's absolutely a lot of antisemitism driving a lot of the current online rhetoric. Progressives online parroting the "Jews run the world" line are definitely being antisemitic. The 'Anti-Zionist' label is just a convenient way for some (not all) people to say they hate Jews without saying they hate Jews. The current conflict has provided great cover for people to let their hate spill out online whereas to do so before would have had them labelled alt-right or white nationalist.