To ask what on earth do people who post about Palestine expect to happen?

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It seems that every time I log into social media there are so people constantly posting about how we need to free Palestine and condemning everyone who ignores their posts.

May I ask what do they expect posting about it will actually accomplish? Did I miss something and wars can be stopped with SM posts? If so, why are they not posting the same about Ukraine? There is still a war going on there...

The end of apartheid of South Africa started small. Awareness, especially via social media, is a powerful tool.

Maybe they just don't like seeing over 30'000 people getting killed by constant bombing and shot at by soldiers! 🤷

This.

It’s great that so many people are standing up to injustice.

If this was a cause that OP supported she’d be singing a very different tune.

@Scintella well the ‘solution’ will be that every Palestinian is dead and then Israel can take the Gaza Strip too. It’s almost like that was the plan all along.

Given that the big Hamas guys are apparently living in luxury elsewhere how does Israel expect they are wiping them out? This isn’t about Hamas is it. Quite obviously.

Oh, jog on. There is not a single war I ever supported in my life.

Just posting is one thing.. and understandable..
Berating others is another.. and does get on my nerves tbh.
I have one particular friend who posts every day multiple times about it.. fair enough... but she also constantly tries to wind people up and provoke arguments.. and she berates anyone who isn't also posting about it multiple times a day..
Whilst I agree with alot of what she posts she does post some genuinely anti semitic shite too
She also is single, childless and has no job at the moment. I don't get involved because I know she's desperate for arguments but I do want to tell her that she is able to devote all this passion to it because she doesn't actually have a lot going on personally... whereas other people are fkn tired.. and going thru God knows what. It's like she can have empathy for the dead children in Gaza (which is understandable) but the empathy ends there...
I've recently given birth for example amd am on two types of medication for postnatal depression and anxiety...I'm absolutely not going to be plastering my social media with pictures of dead and injured children. It's not that I do not care. Or that I support what the IDF or Hammas are doing.. but I need to keep it together in my own life.
If it actually achieved anything to rant on social media I might make more of an effort. But as it stands I'd just be preaching to the converted... yet she thinks I should be saying something?
What is there to bloody say? I feel so deeply sorry for those people. But nothing I say on Facebook is going to stop the Israeli government is it?
I try to to always vote left wing.. I try to uphold my principles of kindness and collectivism.. I teach my children this.
You've got to try and lead by example and stuck to your values.
Bullying people because they aren't shouting about the cause you personally feel they should be achieves literally nothing. People are allowed to care about many things and express that in different ways.. they are also allowed to protect themselves from despair when they need to.

You have completely misunderstood what I am saying. I said I didn’t know why they were fixated on Palestine when they have never commented on any other atrocities before.which would be understandable if they have personal ties there, but my point was why do they care more about this war than other past and ongoing conflicts.

See my comment above - you have misunderstood what I was saying.

Awareness, solidarity.

Israel won't allow foreign journalists into Gaza to report and they've murdered over a hundred local journalists in Gaza so social media is important in this conflict.

Personally I think that talking about an ongoing genocide is important, online and offline.

This. History shows us that when we stop talking about atrocities, it becomes all too easy for people to deny they ever happened. Sometimes there is nothing we can do except call out what we're seeing and hearing. I would much rather be told off for loudly bearing witness than to teach my children they should only speak up when they're able to act.

Because as a pp said what is being fed by the media has a heavy agenda .
Look at the Daily Mail website (yes its scum but to dismiss it would be dangerous based on the amount of views it receives) This website blatantly ignores the atrocities and murders but wil highlight any antisemitic incidences that occur . Obviously these should also be reported on but not as the only issue regarding the ongoing attacks . If this is your only source of information your going to have a very skewed and biased view
Hilary Clinton recently mocked young people for not understanding the Middle East and their passion for the cause, however it appears that through social media posts , sharing images , events and stories from the front line they are the most in tune and switched on generation.
And finally there are 14000 children who won't grow up due to the atrocities of the past few months. Gaza has a population of half of Ireland and to think that since October proportionally the equivalent of 28000 Irish children could have died here is beyond belief..

We should be all shouting more not less

Because this is the first genocide we are watching on our phones . Look at the posts from doctors working in hospitals in Gaza speaking of the horrors . Look at the images of the children on TikTok, they are given names and stories. This is not something we have had access to on the same scale in other conflicts.

What would you like people to do OP? Ignore the horrific news and video footage of the carnage and look away? What’s happening to civilians in Gaza is not comparable to Ukraine. It’s being described as one of the most destructive wars in modern history.

I think many have simplified the debate - this polarisation denies the fact that this is a complex issue. The marches in London vilify Israel to the point they are seen as the cause, Israel was the victim on 7th October. To establish peace there needs to be discussion and agreement.

Honestly? It’s a case of “How can I make a highly complex geopolitical situation all about ME. See how righteous I am, blah, blah, blah”.

It’s performative narcissism that is so crude and disrespectful to Palestinians and Israelis alike, those type of posters should be ashamed of themselves (but they won’t be)…

So let me just say now to all those posters that gnash their teeth and wring their hands over Israel’s foreign policy:

If you never posted or protested about the dead civilians in Syria, if you didn't post or protest about the dead civilians in Yemen, if you didn't post or protest about the women of Iran, if you didn't post or protest about the Uyghurs or Sudanese or Nigerians or Afghans or Rohingya, if you didn't post or protest about the Israelis butchered, raped, tortured, burned and kidnapped, but somehow your supposed morality was triggered in the wake of Israel's response to Hamas savagery, you are an antisemite and a fraud and you can GFY.

Simply OP it’s literally ‘No Jews No News’ for these people.

The deaths and wounding of children and innocents are unprecedented, the population trapped, and aid is not getting to them. I think many post in shock and disbelief that it is allowed to happen with no end in sight.

Wow

When will Israel be held accountable for its actions then . 50,000 dead, 300,000??? Does any part of the events of the last 6 months horrify you or does Israel get a free pass to kill, maim and starve a whole population because of fear of accusations of anti-Semitism.

I have a Jewish friend who was brought up in Israel and she posts daily about Palestine -highlighting Palestinian voices and witness accounts. She is doing it because she knows that history has taught us that silence is complicity and allows atrocities to fade from public conscience, and also because the more politically powerful side of any conflict will always control the narrative if we allow them to.

Seven years ago Hezbollah (yes Corbyn's "friends"), al Quds (Iranian backed Shia militia), various forces loyal to Assad , who ruled Syria simply because his father did and because his elder brother had died (a dynastic dictator), and the Russian air force killed at least 30,000 muslims in the siege of Aleppo. Russian Federation (as permanent members of UN security council) vetoed motions calling for a cease fire.

This was a humanitarian catastrophe on the same scale of Gaza.

Nobody gave a shit.

Edited to add a missing apostrophe.

Here’s an idea @Nctodayjan24 when are YOU going to hold Hamas accountable for starting this damn war, using their own people as human shields, stealing the aid earmarked for ordinary Garzans which they then sell on for profit. And when are YOU going* *to tell Hamas to release the remaining hostages, lay down their AK47s and surrender completely?

Second of all, where the hell are you taking those statistics from? Don’t you know that between 6 May and 8 May, the UN cut in half its estimates of the number of women and children killed in Gaza. The estimates were based on Hamas numbers and are a reminder that all fatality estimates coming from that source are unreliable.

Casualties of war, to my knowledge, have never been reported as the war is happening. These numbers (that I’ve also seen being reported on these very threads!) were completely fabricated. Why is it important you may wonder, people are still dying. It’s important because the mendacious accusation of genocide is being thrown around and used to demonise Israel and Jews. And it's being used precisely because Jews have experienced genocide. This is however, nothing new. The accusation of genocide in Palestine has been alleged for decades, even as the population increased substantially. What we are seeing here is the UN's complicity in colluding with terrorists.

Here are some things that prove (prove!) there is no genocide in Gaza. Israel accepts the surrender of prisoners and treats their wounded. Israel allows aid into the enemy.
Israeli labor is building the new US pier in Gaza to help increase aid. Israel has paused the war for weeks trying to convince Hamas to accept an extraordinarily generous ceasefire agreement to save lives (Hamas declined.) And, yes, Israel warns the enemy of troop movements in advance (putting themselves at risk in the process). The ONLY people still calling this war a genocide are doing so simply to try and raise hate against Jews.

The UN did not say less people have been killed they said that is the death toll of identified people and accept there is around 10,000 still to be identified. So that's where people are getting the figures from.

I fully condemn Hamas for the action on October 7th leading to 735 deaths . It was a cruel and viscous attack.

But let's face it do you condemn settlers destroying aid destined for Gaza?
Do you condemn Israel for bombing a playground, for shooting a 6 year old trapped in a car and then shooting the ambulance that came to help her?
Do you condemn Israel for the torture camp like conditions that Palestinians were detained in according to the recent CNN report?
Do you condemn a military attack that is intentionally directing attacks against a civilian population: a war crime according to the UN?
Warning people that they will be attacked when they have nowhere to go is not a kindness it just sounding the death march early.

Finding these actions abhorrent is not antisemitic.

@GenerationP ‘Israel allows aid to the enemy’

There you go. Just being born Palestinian makes you the enemy and anyone who helps you(the UN) is supporting terrorism because they are all terrorists and the enemy.

The UK supports & funds Israel. The US supports and funds Israel. World watches Gazans slaughtered and does nothing equals everyone hates Jews.
The more you speak…

Maybe because in those wars our governments were not directly supplying weapons, money and political protection to a genocidal, far right, fascist, extreme government. Maybe because when it came to those other wars you are mentioning we were not watching our media and government officials twist themselves in knots to avoid calling out the obvious human rights abuses, clear cut violations of international law and utter brutality of the Israeli government. Maybe because those who were against the murder of innocent civilians in other wars were not being conflated with supporting terrorists or being antisemitic because they disagreed with the murder of children, bombing of hospitals, deliberate starvation of a civilian population, collective punishment of a nation and the attempts to completely eradicate a people. This is one of the worst genocides we have seen and what makes it worse is the attempts of the media, government and some people to completely dehumanise the Palestinians.

I'm not one of those who posts though I do like and support pro Palestinian posts. I don't bother engaging with the other point of view because for me if you don't support Palestine I actually don't even regard you as a human being worth engaging with. You lack morality and humanity if you can watch the decimation of a population and make excuses. Or like the OP you want to remain willfully ignorant as an excuse for your lack of outrage and inaction. Being reminded of the savage reality of what is happening to the Palestinians interferes with that and makes you uncomfortable.

There is a simple solution. Immediate ceasefire and the recognition and establishment of a viable Palestinian state. Without that there will never be stability and Israel will never be at peace. It is hypocritical to wax lyrically about Israel's right to exist and protect itself without also recognising the Palestinian's right to their own state and to self determination.

For those who say condemn october 7th its you who is showing moral and congitive dissonance. Watch the videos from Israel. Watch what the government ministers, the journalists and settlers are doing and saying. 60% of Israelis believe the government have not used enough force in Palestine. 30000 dead civilians, 15000 of them children and that's not enough force? So how many do we need to see killed before October 7th is no longer an excuse for genocide, 100,000 a million? There are those in the government and in the media who are openly calling for genocide of the Palestinians. This is not a war for them against Hamas this is about collectively punishing all Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank (no Hamas in West Bank yet they are still being terrorised by settlers and soldiers) for what happened on October 7th. Kind of similar to how terrorists believe in collectively punishing citizens of governments they don't agree with.

Once again I don't really bother with arguing with people who don't support Palrstine normally. For me it's like arguing with people who support apartheid, the KKK or colonialism. Waste of time we are literally morally on opposite sides of the spectrum and i have no respect or patience to hear it. Its actually a good sign those people post OP. It means they assume you are morally redeemable. I have lost hope in the humanity of people like you. If you can watch Palelstinian children being slaughtered and it doesn't horrify you or you can make excuses when you watch Israelis deliberate destroy hospitals and target journalists as well as block access to food and water to the Palestinians then nothing can prick your conscience. Just like when we look back in history at atrocities that occurred in the past and wonder how it could have been allowed to occur, future generations will look back and see those ignoring or excusing the suffering and genocide inflicted on the Palestinians and wonder how you could have been so blind. You are standing on the wrong side of history.

Did we not like just do this thread?