“Women and birthing people. “

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Who said that?
A doula on the PM Programme on BBC R4 tonight between 5.40 and 5.45.

Yes either you had a shit midwife or you declined to be a hero. I have seen both occur. No way to tell which it was now.

The NCT did not state that. An NCT practitioner might say opioids in labour can make the baby drowsy and difficult to feed depending on timing of administration because it's a fact. It's hospital policy to give strong opioid pain relief straight after a Caesarean but then switch to lighter pain relief. Bugger all to do with the NCT.

"more masculine than most of your husbands" 😂

Because Steve will not be the daddy. Steve will be recorded on the birth certificate as the babies mother because steve gave birth to the baby.

reality & truth matter

steve is a woman, steve will still need cervical smears, if steve is hitting the testosterone hard once they’re post partum then steve will be having an early menopause which will need to be managed

how is it the case that medical professionals who I would assume know you cannot change sec and that biological sex impacts on medical treatment I happy to collude on this bullshit?

@Mackmacking
Must have been a shit midwife then. Was it you 😂

You have also said
“But honestly, so many women try and decline painkillers until it becomes obvious they are hurting themselves and their baby”

What a load of nonsense. These kind of statements are damaging. A woman refusing or not being giving adequate pain relief does not mean they are child abusers.Move on from your profession.

And there it is. You are a midwife? With that little understanding or worse, care, of safeguarding, the feeding dyad, the mechanics of lactation, drugs in breast 'milk', the abusive dynamic in some relationships and, well, everything? Hmm. Ok.

Actually if youre in agony then you cant safely care or adequately breastfeed a baby. Neglect and starvation are forms of abuse.

Trans men stop "drugs" during pregnancy and breastfeeding. Many dont breastfeed because they find it dysphoric. Sometimes the other partner induces lactation.

Fwiw, we dont punish anyone who chooses not to breastfeed. Or shouldnt at least.

You know nothing about my demographic nor my attitude towards LGB or my status. Your assumptions are giving you away. I've seen queer used as a precursor to violent abuse more times than you've used it to pander to self hating women, though, I'm sure.

What you know is that I know no man gives birth, no man should be sticking his nipples in a babies mouth, and that medical language must always be crystal clear for the safest outcomes.

Saying no man should ever be putting his nipples in a babies face is not saying we punish actual women who choose not to feed. I highly doubt you are what you say you are.

No the NCT would regularly tell women things like this. Or at least, that is what they would understand when they left. Ive had to beg a woman to take painkillers.

We give opiods for about 36hrs and then switch to a strong NSAID or codeine. Paracetemol as a level 1 analgesia too. You cant go home on morphine usually.

@Mackmacking
Not quite sure why on earth you've assumed that because I was only giving paracetamol then I was not able to feed or care for my baby. Cuckoo or what

There are men across the globe who let babies suckle.

Surely you must have heard of Aka men?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/society/2005/jun/15/childrensservices.familyandrelationships

When you're in agony as you would be post section, you cant adequately care for a baby as you could out of pain. If you choose to be in that pain despite knowing that, its a neglectful decision on your part. Selfish and egotistical, not admirable

@Mackmacking
Now you're accusing me of being neglectful, selfish and egotistical because I was only given paracetamol by as you said a "shit" midwife. Talk about clueless. Just so you know I can't speak for 'birthing people' but us WOMEN are strong and can look after our babies with just paracetamol or nothing but to be fair your warped views are entertaining

I said that either you had a shit midwife OR you tried to be a martyr. Not sure which

@Mackmacking

You seem overly confident in your views.
Thats worrying in itself.

You said that confusing language about menopause by the NHS is “irrelevant”

That is very not kind and not inclusive.

On rereading, I see now that it is obvious. If women are so strong and can do all this, why are they (rightly) complaining about maternty services?

@Mackmacking
It doesn't matter which that's what you're not getting. A WOMAN having or not having pain relief doesn't make her selfish, neglectful, egotistical, unable to car for her baby or a child abuser. How on earth are you that incapable of understanding something so simple

Are you able to explain something that puzzles many of us here? Transmen say that they identify as being men. They have female bodies but a male gender identity, and the disconnect causes them to experience gender dysphoria. How, then, do they cope with becoming pregnant, going through a pregnancy and giving birth, given that every minute of every day of the pregnancy must be a reminder of having a female body? Doesn't it make their dysphoria worse? How is it in any way compatible with identifying as men?

I dont agree that it is confusing language just because you are confused.

Birthing people. 🤐

How reductive. And rude.

It could be improved by saying 'pregnant women, trans men and non binary people'.

Or, 'pregnant women and trans identified people'.

If we have to use such language.

Rude.

Yes it does for some. Sometimes they chose to do it because they are the only partner able to conceive and carry to term. In fact, that is the case for most trans men i know who have been pregnant. Most of them were coupled with cis women and said women had already had several rounds of unsuccessful IVF.

It does if the pain renders her in a physical and emotional state that means she cant look after the baby as well as she could.