“Women and birthing people. “

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Who said that?
A doula on the PM Programme on BBC R4 tonight between 5.40 and 5.45.

Birthingpeople'snet doesn't quite have the same ring, does it? 🤔

Exactly this. This is the part that's always confused me around this whole debate: Surely the very act of getting pregnant and giving birth is acknowledging your 'womanhood'? How you 'identify' couldn't be less relevant here?

Because we fought long and hard to be recognised as women, maybe?

Only women give birth.

Which is probably #1 reason why maternity services are so shit. Can you imagine an man being given abdominal surgery, only given paracetamol afterwards and then sent home 24 hours later?

As soon as I saw the thread title I knew what this thread would be about. Depressing listen.

Transphobesnet would be more accurate

I do hope you’ve reported all the transphobic content to MN

Fgs, all 'transphobia' means nowadays is the acknowledgement of reality.

Your original post doesn’t seem to have much of a point, it’s more of a statement. But honestly, who the hell cares?? If using certain phrases is inclusive of everyone, why the hell does that offend some? Like I really don’t get the fuss, it doesn’t impact on anyone else.

The baby loss charity Tommy’s has started using the term “women and birthing people”. I’ve lost babies and found them really helpful for their support but I’m sad they are getting swept up into all of this.

“It doesn’t impact on anyone else”

Freddie McConnell is a TM ie a woman who gave birth ie did what women often do - whilst also having a GRC saying they would ‘live’ as a man so you know that was bollocks

freddie has devoted an inordinate amount of time in influencing the NHS locally in Brighton and then nationally to remove words like mother, maternity & woman from policies and information around child birth. So yes it actually does impact on women

@EKnaring

many women care because much of the language being changed around women is dehumanizing and sometimes inaccurate.

people with uteruses, cervix havers, chest feeders (no one can feed an infant with their lungs)

Do you care that many women do care?

Its really getting stupid now

You’re all a bit late to the debate, every policy and document in maternity has changed to the wording “women and birthing people” over the past couple of years

An independent birthing suuporter?
Jesus christ, this country has gone bloody bananas

You're happy that the concept of a woman, the only sex to be able to carry and deliver a baby, is being eroded as long as the name woman has been mentioned?
Wow

I am both a woman and a person, and that is fine. But when you refer to a group, and use "people" instead of "women", clarity often suffers. Try this delightful article.

"The menopause is a natural time of ageing and in the UK the average age is 51 years. But, around 1 in 100 people usually experience the menopause before the age of 40 years."

So is that 1 in 100 people? 1 in 100 women? Who knows? After all, around 50 in 100 people don't experience the menopause at all.

"It is estimated that there are around 13 million people who are currently peri or menopausal in the UK (Wellbeing of Women) which is equivalent to a third of the entire UK female population."

Confusing!

What exactly is your problem?

Trans men exist.

A birthing person has a womb and is a woman regardless of what gender the birthing person identifies as. If the birthing person doesn't have a womb she will be in for a hell of a long wait.

And they are women

Women who do not feel like they want to be women exist, of course they do but, unfortunately, they can’t change sex .

The word woman for medical purposes should refer to biological sex. This is not unkind, this is not exclusive. Changing biological words like breast to chest or woman to people causes confusion.

please read @DuesToTheDirt post about menopause from the NHS. Totally confusing.

At my Trust, we have LGBTQI midwives who typically caseload any Queer couples. There are always service users who are pregnant and do not identify as women. It depends where you work.

It is totally irrelevant.

The thing is, as a maternity service, its far more challenging to be responsive to the ridiculous demands and beliefs of the heterosexual middle classes than it is to respect the pronouns of someone more masculine than most of your husbands.

If anything, it helps me practice compassion for when Mrs Lafayette-Smythe wants a homebirth despite placenta praevia.

It's transmen they are including in birthing people, not trans women