“Women and birthing people. “

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Who said that?
A doula on the PM Programme on BBC R4 tonight between 5.40 and 5.45.

Ain't that the truth.
My husband had surgery on his arm and they have in oramorph. I can confirm I was given paracetamol after an emergency c-section. Make it make sense

Why would transmen be giving birth? If they feel they are authentically men?

The word women is fine as only women can give birth. Transmen, should they choose to use their female body to birth a child, know this. Birthing people isn't needed.

You're getting your trans mixed up. It should be - how many 'trans men' have given birth. Women who have 'transitioned' to men, because men cannot give birth, only trans men and women can.
"We want the stats on how many trans men have given birth"

Personally to me it makes a mockery of the whole trans ideology. Yes I am a man, yes you will refer me to as such, yes you will be compelled to change your language to suit me and buy into a belief system against your will but while I'm at it I'll go and give birth.

After a c section, youre automatically prescribed something like codeine and voltarol as well as oromorph. A lot of women decline "strong painkillers" because they "dont want it to go the baby". There was a time when the NCT would tell women all painkillers make the baby drowsy and unable to breastfeed. So theyd try breastfeeding in total agony.

We can see your incorrect assumptions, bias and generalizations here.

@Mackmacking
I can confirm I only had pointless paracetamol throughout the night after a c section

Its not incorrect assumptions at all. Its based on who actually is an obstacle for the system at work, and someone with atypical pronouns is really the least of the problems.

The 40 year old with the spineless husband and bratty toddler who thinks the world owes her something makes your shift a shitty one. I know who the majority of midwives would want to care for and it's very rarely Petunia and Monty.

It's the same "queering" everything. They're just as keen to push men "breast feeding" infants. No boundaries, no saying No to them, ever.

Probably because youd have had your 8 hours worth of morphine and other drugs during the section.

Look, its perfectly possible the midwives forgot to give you your medication on their rounds, but the anaesthetist would have prescribed those drugs for you. It is part of their normal tasks and they arent doing anything else.

But honestly, so many women try and decline painkillers until it becomes obvious they are hurting themselves and their baby.

I can see you probably have been in your job for a very long time.

As long as a guy doesnt try and breastfeed your baby, why do your boundaries affect anyone else. I cant make it my boundary that other people cant do X and Y if it has no bearing on me at all.

You have to understand where you end and others begin.

17 years this year. 8 as a specialist midwife. How long have you worked in maternity?

I thought it was that long.
Perhaps it’s time for a career change because you seem very angry towards particular demographics. I would worry you would judge women purely based upon their accent and class.

@Mackmacking
I'm not sure what you are not getting. So I will explain to you again in the same words. I can confirm I had only paracetamol throughout the night after my c section.

At no point has anyone said including the doula that a trans man isn’t a biological woman. Only biological women can give birth.
that still does not erase the fact trans men exist.

They are trans men.

Even JKR used this terminology.

@Mackmacking only my own baby? So I should not notice when men are sticking their nipples in other babies mouths, because I recognise where I end and they begin? Are we back to HCPs refusing to accept that keeping children safe is everybody's responsibility?

Your attitude towards older women who may have a different background to you is shocking. I hope to god you aren't dealing with anyone except the stunning and brave crowd.

I do. My concern is for women's rights.

No i simply ensure my clientele are largely of the demographics I prefer. That is the good thing about specialising. You work with people who interest you most.

I can take women and .... whatever.
But just birthing people, like some have done, no way!

How are women affected by the fact that I assisted in a homebirth for someone called "Steve" last week who will be the daddy of the baby he birthed?

How will that affect "Mary" and her husband, "Paul" who are due for a homebirth this week? I am asking because they are even neighbours.

What is unsafe about a lactating person breastfeeding?

As a student 18 years ago, we were taught about men across the globe who lactate/allow the baby to suckle at their nipple to show that adoptive parents can lactate. Especially if they have breasts.

No more shocking than yours to Queer people. I actually share the background i am criticising most. Especially these days.

I am just being honest about who gets most eye rolls in the staff room. It isnt the trans men.